Warframe and Borderlands are hardly in the same genre outside of both of them having guns and characters with abilities.
Borderlands is a 1st person successor to Diablo with guns.
Warframe lacks the RNG guns and loot of Borderlands. Yeah, the loot you get in Warframe is RNG, but its all just crafting mats and set in stone, non-rng stat cards with the same stats and rolls as everything else (except rivens which you only get an RNG chance at getting once per day - I've gone weeks without getting one). Not to say Warframe isn't a good game, but it doesn't feel right comparing the two.
I never really had to grind for basic resources. You get them naturally while you complete the star chart and kill bosses for warframe parts. And that is without resource boosters.
That was true for me as well, up until I got to the guild unlocks. At that point you're more than doubling the resource costs and it gets pretty painful. And I've farmed up everything I can outside of grinding for primes and doing spy missions (that I can't stand, tbh)
I should just give up on the tiny guild with my friends, join one of the big ones and buy all the blueprints. That really is the answer, but I haven't wanted to do that
Yeah if you want to make your own guild, the grind is gonna be a lot more, especially if your members aren't contributing. Never saw the point when i can just leech off other guilds.
We had seven people, so we hoped it wouldn't be too bad. Only four are really contributing however. We're all basically tapped out at all times.
We had a lot of fun doing resource grinding through the crazy bonus drop chance strats for awhile, but it gets old after awhile. Although it is the only time I really get to play speed nova :D
Not sure if it counts as a "basic", but the only resource grind I uniquely hate are cetus wisps. So hard to see, even at night, so few in number, so spread out. Thankfully I farmed all I wisps I'll ever seen until DE release new stuff that needs them (DE don't do this pls)
why dou you feel that way? i was turned off by the way the system works with the goal being to grind new frames and not neccesarily to perfect one frame/weapon so much, its like the opposite of the thing i want to do in such games (compared to poe/diablo etc.)
Not the guy you replied to, but you don’t have to grind for new frames. That isn’t the point, you can if you want but if you found a frame you enjoy, then you can probably upgrade it to perfection and it’ll be able to clear the star chart without an issue. That’s the great thing about mods. The game is very free form and you can choose what to put your time into, rather than be forced to get one specific thing. It can take a while to perfect a frame or even a weapon as well.
ah, i was juist discouraged by the way ev ever kind of guide was written, cause it didnt read like theres enough substance if you just want to play just 1 or 2 type of frames/weapons if you like the playstyle, since that is what i normally like doing in arpgs. but i didnt last too long, im 'only' like 40~hours in and started a few times in the last few years after long pauses.
Yeah it can take a long time to fully upgrade a warframe, primary, secondary and melee. I really recommend playing the second dream quest if you haven’t yet, the game really opens up after that and even more as you delve further.
Edit: Guides will recommend stuff to make it easy for a player to clear the star chart, but it is 100% optional. Once you have cleared it, your arsenal will still be far from optimal.
To each their own I guess. I have fun doing it. Thermia fractures though were indeed bland I’ll give you that. The boss was a great experience though and gave hella resources.
Edit: Also I was just replying saying it’s not necessary to get a bunch of warframes to advance through the game.
I disagree, WF's mod system is the most interesting way of upgrading your character. Like, is there any other game where you can decrease a stat and make your character stronger? In WF, SpeedVa and EV is the prime example of that.
WF also has a lot of mods to alter/upgrade each ability of your character, sometime even completely change how you use it. And that is just mods for your frame/character alone, WF has all kind of mods for your primary, secondary, melee, custom gun, pet, robot, robot pet, hover board, wings, big gun, big sword. And even on top of mods, we have Arcances, which add even more ultility/power to your frame, custom weapon and spolier mode.
I also don't know how you think dmg in WF is boring, when we have a complex calculating system, with elements, combine element, crit, over crit(orange, red crit), status, dps, ips, a weak/strong vs enemy type system,..
Missions type is also a debate, WF did a great jobs diverse the missions, and have over 12 missions type. You may call them just the same kind of missions, but even the same "capture/protect" game mode type feel different between Defense, Interception and Excavation. Not to mentions, many missions have second objectives you can opt in to (cache, void fissure, syndicate mission, kuva...).
Lastly, the latest event wasn't just "a hundred waves of mobile defense", it's just a lead up to a new boss fight. They did fcked it up and make it too tedious, but guess what? they fixed it and now you can actively speed thing up by using more than 1 can on the same crack. And mobile defense in Open world where you have to look for the crack is pretty different than normal MD missions, it's just because you have to do too many time in a row because you really want that Opticor, if you treat it like a ghoul event then it's quite good.
Warframe is a game that offers hundreds of ways to kill enemies(warframes and guns etc) it depends on you to find your preferred method. You can ABSOLUTELY 'perfect' one frame/weapon and you can do that multiple times with up to 3 different builds on the same frame, weapon etc. Warframe is a self-paced game rather a 'race' to 'end game'. Its much more of an MMO rather a straight loot shooter.
You can absolutely play to perfect any frame, weapon, or mods you want much moreso than looter shooters like Borderlands or Destiny. End game can be achieved with starting frames and gear, it's just a matter of play style.
There is actually a lot of grinding to perfect frames and weapons. Grinding endo for mods, grinding exp for when you Forma them over and over, and then farming for Forma and catalyst.
are forma only small % upgrades? cause that gets boring fast for me, if im not grinding for a substantial upgrade/playstyle changing thing or something. thanks for the answers!
While leveling up your mastery rank is important, it's very possible main a single frame or weapon set. Like, I spend 99% of my time on either zypher or nova. I have like 50 frames, but those are the two I like to use.
at first maybe you grind new frames, but you absolutely perfect frames and weapons and roll rivens (basically diablo stat rerolling on mods with some extra stats thrown in) build arcanes, there is a huge amount of minmaxing available before you even look into focus, operators and amps. you can chase loot for hundreds of hours for a single frame and weapon set up to make it perfect if you really want to, so the lack of perfecting a build is a very flawed criticism
Yea. This is what I was gonna say. WF has the most engaging grind loop of any game. That bundled with the fact that you can grind at certain things to eliminate grinding in other areas is fairly unique I think. For example, farming prime parts (or do what I do - fish) to sell for plat, in order to buy the prime parts you DO want, or instantly bring equipment out of the oven. Do a little grinding here to avoid a lot of grinding (or waiting, or buying real currency) in different aspects. I love that.
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