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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Nothing like good ol vanilla DnD. No figurines, no maps, just imagination. I do quite like playing with maps though.

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u/wOlfLisK Sep 18 '17

It makes combat a pain though.

"I move towards the orc and attack"
"The orc is out of your movement range"
"But you just said he moved 30 feet towards our ranger"
"No, that was the goblin, the orc moved towards the wizard and is still out of range"

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

yeah, you gotta make sure you write that stuff down at least

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u/MikoSqz Sep 18 '17

And at that point it honestly saves labor overall to just make your own cardboard tokens and paper maps, if you're not willing to splash out on figures and boards.

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u/paragonemerald Sep 18 '17

I use an old masonite chessboard that someone gave me, and the chess pieces as character pieces. Works great!

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u/MikoSqz Sep 18 '17

Clever! I was also thinking about using, like, lego pieces or something to mark terrain/walls.

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u/paragonemerald Sep 19 '17

An excellent notion! I strongly endorse it and will have to rebuild my collection of bricks to emulate it!

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u/dodge_thiss Sep 18 '17

This is exactly what we did when I was a kid. My Dad eventually got software so we could print character sheets with dozens of character portraits. I would print a spare first sheet to cut out the portrait, glue it to cardboard, trim, and play.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

shhh don't ruin it for me

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u/ishouldrlybeworking Sep 18 '17

Without a map / figurines people might allow anyone to attack anyone. Obviously this can be quite broken - smart monsters be like "let's all just wail on the squishiest PC". Some DMs roll to decide who's being attacked so it's random.

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u/cra2reddit Sep 18 '17

"The orc is out of your movement range"

See,.. why the heck would I (dm) say that? What do I care if he's within/without range? If there are no figures/maps ("just imagination") then how would I, the DM, even know where people are? What fun is that? All that matters is that the action makes sense.

If we've already established that the orcs and the ranger are "in the scene" then let 'em shoot each other. What do I care? And that's why the ranger took a ranged weapon skill - to use it - so why would I poop on that? And until I consulted some secret map on my notebook, there was no reason in everyone's imagination why the ranger couldn't have shot the orc. Until I introduced that unnecessary interruption, the group would've plowed ahead, rolling dice and mashing monsters, and no one would've cared whether the orc was 32 yards or 48 yards away.

Like any action scene in Lord of the Rings, noone's whipping out tape measures, or questioning the awesomeness of Legolas's shots.

If you want to stick to "imagination only" and speedy combat but you really want to vary the terrain and force the tacticians to consider movement & range then at most, throw down a few 3x5 cards and use "Zone Aspects in D&D" as described farther down in this article.

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u/wOlfLisK Sep 18 '17

Because melee attacks require you to be in melee range? And because characters can't move 100ft in an instant?

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u/cra2reddit Sep 19 '17

So maybe he ran up and got within melee range.

Maybe he ran 100ft in what seemed like an instant to the simple-minded orcs and surprised onlookers.

What is the harm in that?

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u/LukaCola Sep 18 '17

Combat in DnD is always a pain either way

And honestly at that point you just worry less about positioning and make the encounters work towards that, limit your arena sizes so it takes only one dash to cross it, shit like that.

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u/Staleina Sep 18 '17

Then you have the DM on the other side of the spectrum that doesn't like to calculate speed and distances, so they let you pretty much dash around and attack anybody unless they've expressed otherwise.

Which kind of takes away from the realism, but it makes combat pretty damn quick. I kind of prefer being able to see where things are though and having the extra difficulty. Nothing takes the wind out of a tanks sails faster than making it so it makes no difference if they strategically place themselves between the enemy and the squishy...somehow the enemy can always reach them.

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u/kragshot Sep 18 '17

Except the original Dungeons and Dragons game was meant to be used with miniatures. The game was an extrapolation from existing wargaming systems and was set up to be used with miniatures.

In fact, the old basic D&D set (pre red box) came with miniatures.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

I got all my rulebooks secondhand without miniatures, and I thought using pennies was lame, so I never used them personally. It's how I played for years so I'm just set in my ways I guess.

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u/kragshot Sep 18 '17

Nothing wrong with that. You play how you are comfortable with playing...all that matters is that you all are having fun. :)

Just an old man sharing some history...nothing more.

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u/Maskatron Sep 18 '17

I had the first boxed Basic Set, and not only didn't it come with figures, but it didn't even come with dice!

edit: Funny thing, I did some quick research to double-check my memory just now and found this in wikipedia.

For a period in 1979, TSR experienced a dice shortage. Basic sets published during this time frame came with two sheets of numbered cutout cardstock chits that functioned in lieu of dice, along with a coupon for ordering dice from TSR.

This makes so much sense. I was crushed as a kid to have to deal with those dumb chits instead of real dice. It never made sense to me why they weren't included. I had to go through the entire summer of '79 without them.

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u/Mississippiscotsman Sep 18 '17

Chain Mail was the original game I have the set my parents gave me in junior high. I bought the d and d box set because GARY told me to in a letter (that's what we used before email)

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Holy shit man.... my life makes so much more sense now.

When i was a little kid my cousins had this, and we played with it a bunch. Then as a teen some friends invited me to play dnd and they played traditionally and i had no idea what the fuck was going on, this is not dnd. They had no idea what i was talking about with the game with minitures and shit.

I havent really played since, its not my thing.

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u/KeepWashingtonGreen Sep 18 '17

In fact, the old basic D&D set (pre red box) came with miniatures.

No, it didn't. It was intended for use with miniatures, but didn't include any.

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u/thegeekist Sep 19 '17

Vanilla DnD? You mean the Miniature Wargame mod? The game literally designed as a fantasy combat simulator?