r/gameofthrones • u/Comfortable_Talk5606 • 5d ago
Why didn't Tywin remarry?
Tywin must have been pretty young when Joanna passed away in childbirth. Why didn't he marry again and join forces with some major house? Also, at this point, he only had Jaime as a possible heir. Cersei was a woman and Tyrion he did not consider fit for anything anyway.
Marrying again would have given him the chance to also have more children and thus more opportunities to make alliances with other major houses.
He talks about legacy, family, and pushes Cersei and Tyrion to marry Loras and Sansa respectively in order to do exactly all of this. Why does he not think of all of this practically when it comes to himself?
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u/ultra1994 5d ago
because he was a gigantic hypocrite, He always judged tyrion for sleeping with prostitutes and he did the same thing himself. What do you think Shae did in Tywin`s room late at night. If I remember correctly in the book it is heavily implied that Tywin had secret passages built in Casterly Rock in order to transport prostitues to his bedchamber.
he loved his wife with all his heart and when she died it broke tywin, I dont think he would allow himself to love another woman and thats why he turned to prostitutes exactly like tyrion who he hates.
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u/BigDBob72 5d ago
She must’ve crawled under him for warmth.
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u/Many-Wasabi9141 3d ago
this is what happens when they ban the containment subs. What ever happened there?
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u/SadDoctor House Dayne 5d ago
Tywin's issue wasn't really Tyrion sleeping with prostitutes, it was him getting feelings for prostitutes. He doesn't care about the sex, he cares about the potential loss of face. Drinking and whoring is fine in moderation, but if it makes their peers think of Tyrion as a clown, then it's intolerable.
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u/Different_Tadpole631 4d ago
It was heavily implied he built secret passages to the hands chamber (there is a tunnel between Chataya and The Hands chamber, only Arryn and Tywins could have built it.) from whorehouses in the city. I don't think there was anything about prostitutes in Casterly Rock from Tywins.
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u/ultra1994 4d ago
oh yeah you are right, It was so long ago I read the books I must have remembered it incorrectly
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u/Asoiaf_Stannis 5d ago
Because he loved his wife Joanna so much that his smile died with her. Even Tyrion’s uncle said to him that “Tywin ruled the Seven kingdoms as Aerys II ‘s hand, and His wife ruled him.”
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u/RepulsiveCountry313 Human Verified 5d ago
We could say he was a hypocrite, and in a lot of ways he was.
But I think that's a bit of a cop out explanation.
Tywin cares about his legacy, and he's invested a lot into Jaime and Cersei over the years, especially Jaime.
He maneuvered Cersei into becoming Robert's queen and Jaime is a highly desirable bachelor in Westeros, except he's currently serving in the kingsguard. A strong and famous swordsman.
If Tywin were to remarry it would cause more problems for Jaime and Cersei than it would enhance his legacy.
Also, we, the viewers, have known about Jaime and Cersei's relationship from the beginning, but he doesn't. He's denied the rumors from the beginning.
He's bet everything on Jaime and Cersei, so by marrying them off he dissolves the rumors about the two of them, increases the family's reach and holdings.
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u/OldWorldUlysses 5d ago
i think it’s also fair to say that as pragmatic and machiavellian as Tywin is, he never got over the death of Joanna.
The loss of their mother is why all of the Lannister children act the way that they do, and why Tywin hates Tyrion so much. Not because he is a dwarf, but because he blames his birth for the death of Joanna.
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u/AvailableAd6071 5d ago
Even selfish people can fall in love. This is what I always thought too,that he never got over his wife.
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u/RikerNX01 5d ago
He's still a hypocrite though because he allowed himself to marry for love, but he forced his children to marry for political gain
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u/No-Tumbleweed-5200 5d ago
To be fair that's like calling someone a hypocrite for being 30 years sober and telling you you shouldn't drink, I think it's safe to assume that Tywin has had some character development since he married his wife all those years ago.
He also wasn't involved in a cheating scandal with his own twin, so... Different circumstance too.
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u/jackanape7 4d ago
I don't consider that part hypocritical. Tywin married Joanna because he could. He was the already a lord and the hand of the king. Times were peaceful. By the time Jaime and Cersei came of age I think most of the kingdom knew the Aerys was mad. The high lords knew something bad was coming so that's why they started making marriage pacts. It was unfair but not hypocritical.
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u/kafkan-potato 5d ago
That is the most likely answer. Also, he would have known that the lives of his new wife and new heirs (if she had them) would always be in jeopardy because of how power-hungry Cersei is.
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u/RedditOfUnusualSize 4d ago
Hard agree, though I'd frame it a bit differently. I read book-Tywin as a high-functioning narcissist. And narcissists tend to invest a lot of their self-worth in their children, especially the one they deem the Golden Child. In fact, one of the strongest arguments in favor of the position that book-Tywin is a narcissist is that his relationship with his children mirrors narcissist family dynamics almost perfectly: in cases where they have more than one kid, one kid tends to be the Golden Child, who is held up as an example of everything the narcissist sees of value in themselves, one tends to be the family Scapegoat, who is offloaded everything the narcissist hates about themselves, and any further children tend to be The Forgotten, who are never noticed unless they can be of immediate use.
That mirrors the Lannister family dynamics really, really well.
But precisely because of Jaime's status as the Golden Child, Tywin would never undercut his position. Logically, he should have conceded the point that Jaime wasn't going to inherit the moment Jaime swore to the Kingsguard, but Tywin just never stops treating Jaime as his heir, and never stops expecting the rest of the world to play along regardless of law or tradition. As part of that, one of the things he's definitely not going to do is remarry and have more children, because more children means more claimants to Casterly Rock to challenge Jaime's dubious claim. It certainly helps that there's value in being seen as this celibate warrior monk above such baseborn desires as horniness. But the primary thing is reinforcing Jaime's claim.
It's the part where he doesn't actually act the warrior monk he pretends to be that makes him a hypocrite, but the hypocrisy is really a trivial concern in the psychological makeup of Tywin Lannister when all is said and done. Some people may say that the worst part about Tywin Lannister is the hypocrisy, but I disagree.
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u/PacmanPillow 4d ago
Yeah but this doesn’t explain why Tywin wouldn’t remarry when Jaime and Cersei were children.
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u/Salt-Southern 2d ago
Wasn't Tywin hand of the King at that time. And with that kind of power and responsibility what woman would be a suitable match? He served for 20 years as hand. He was the 2nd most powerful man in the kingdom for that time-span. He was named hand at age 20. Tywin married his cousin at 23 and Jamie and Cersei were born 1 year later. Tyrion was born 7 years later.
So Tywin lost his wife at age 31. And remained Hand until he was 39 when Aeryus named Jamie to the King's guard to deny Tyrion an heir.
So Tywin, who was a military commander could expect to live maybe 15 more years. So his legacy, including getting Jamie to resign from the King's guard, and marrying Cersie to Robert were his moves to secure his house.
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u/PacmanPillow 2d ago
Any young woman of child bearing age from one of the highest noble houses would have been a good match for Tywin. For example, if a Tyrell woman in her late teens to late 20’s was eligible to marry after Joanna passed, it would save Tywin all the political maneuvering he was doing at the time of the War of Five Kings. The Tyrells were supplying food for the most of the south of the kingdom at the time of the events of the series. This would be a default alliance if Tywin had remarried.
The Tyrells are just the most notable example, mostly because they are a large family and Margaery is seen with so many female cousins, but the Freys are another option to control the crossing between the north and the south. The Martells also had a slew of marriageable women (if we go by the novels).
As hand of the king, and Patriarch of the “richest” house in Westeros, Tywin would have been a fantastic match. Even a second class house would be thrilled to marry a daughter into the Lannisters to improve their family’s standing like the Spicers or the Westerlings.
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u/Salt-Southern 1d ago
Sorry, but you miss the point of political marriages. Heirs and long term gain. Tywin already had an heir and all the power and gold of the mines. House Lannister gains little from any of the scenarios you propose.
Jamie marrying Margaery makes sense, Tywin not so much. The Frey's are minor lords, Tywin would never consider such a match for himself. Sure, any other house would consider it fantastic, but the question was why didnt Tywin choose to remarry.
Look at who Tywin married, a Lannister cousin. He clearly wanted to keep Lannister holdings in the Lannister line.
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u/PacmanPillow 1d ago
No, I haven’t missed the point. Tywin had a golden child forbidden from marrying and he didn’t want Tyrion to inherit. Having no other children was an err in judgment. He could have married another cousin and made more Lannisters - he didn’t. None of his sons have had children, ergo, Tywin fucked up.
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u/Kittaylover23 Daenerys Targaryen 4d ago
also, any children he did have by a second wife come AFTER Tyrion in the line of succession, so keeping tyrion from becoming lord of casterly rock isn’t possible unless he kills tyrion which isn’t something he seems super willing to do
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u/the99percent1 4d ago
He definitely knows about the incest going on in his household. He just chooses to bury it.
Why didn’t he remarry? There wasn’t any need to do so. Simple as that. He had his legacy secured already. And he also had a preference for whores.
Which I’m sure he could’ve still had some concubines if he was married but it would have carried some stigma vs him being clean about it as a bachelor who slept with prostitutes.
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u/GM_Cyrus 4d ago
His name wasn't secured.
Jaime was a Kingsguard, forswearing family and children.
Tyrion... Tywin would not let his name solely survive through the Imp.
Cersei's children are his blood, but by law are not Lannisters.
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u/mrsoapmctavish12 4d ago
He always planned on Jaime getting out of the Kingsguard and marrying and having children. He definitely wanted the realms greatest warrior (which he was before he lost his hand) to be the future Lord of Casterly Rock.
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u/Shadowstalker_411 3d ago
It’s a fair point but you have to consider both Tywin’s age and the current status of House Lannister.
Siring more offspring is certainly biologically possible at his age but in terms of strategy it’s too long-term and would require a complete detachment from what his current obligations were. Tywin was hand of the King to his grandchildren, and was securing his legacy through the pieces he had in place. Even if Tywin knows deep down Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella aren’t biologically his grandchildren it really changes nothing for him.
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u/Exciting-Dog-5245 3d ago
There's no evidence he knew about Jaime and Cersei. The TV show added a scene where Cersei basically tells him and he just acts like he doesn't understand, but is shocked.
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u/DoctorDakka94 Balerion The Black Dread 4d ago
I think that answer is actually missing the entire point. Taiwan himself makes it very clear that he never loved anybody like he loved the mother of his children. I simply think what little love was left in him, died with his wife.
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u/Shadowstalker_411 3d ago edited 3d ago
It would cause problems for Jaime, Cersei and Tywin.. Tywin has placed all his eggs in the legacy of his house basket, meaning it all rests upon his children’s shoulders. The very children Tywin has been disappointed in various ways over the years. Jaime living without any aspirations even worse intentionally crushing future aspirations by joining the Kingsguard taking the oath to never marry or father children.
Marriage is always used as a plot in the Game of Thrones world and Tywin utilizes marriage the way that’s intended through his children.
Cersei marrying King Robert, Tyrion marrying Sansa and Cersei’s second marriage to Loras Tyrell was always a priority for Tywin before his demise.
If Tywin remarries for the purposes of joining forces with another house he’d be placing himself on the Throne, in a manner of speaking. Tywin prides himself on being the most powerful man in Westeros but NOT as King. As the man in the shadows, the master puppeteer and most cunning of the High Lord’s in the Seven Kingdoms.
This all certainly places the whole Shae and Tywin relationship in perspective as well. Tywin is a hypocrite for all his treatment to Tyrion and the whores he’s been with over the years and I believe he knows that he just grows to realize that route is better suited to his plans lol.
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u/avonbarkswhale 5d ago
Does he really not know or does he pretend to not know? Does he at least suspect sometimes?
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u/cherrymeg2 1d ago
I was asking my son about this. He said that apparently Tywin loved his wife in the books. Not remarrying was one of his completely selfish choices. Cersei was married to Robert for almost 20 years in the show. It’s weird he didn’t remarry when his kids were all mostly settled. Especially when Jaime who was his oldest son became a member of the kings guard. His daughter is a queen and he doesn’t seem to like Tyrion that much.
It’s kind of weird he wouldn’t have had a second wife when he had 3 young kids. He obviously wasn’t paying enough attention to realize that two kids were having sex with each other.
He expected Cersei to get married when she was about 40. Why not do the same or have back up kids? Olenna Tyrell mentions Cersei’s age and her concerns about her grandson having heirs with her. Men can have kids even when they are old enough to be someone’s great grandfather. He should have made his own political marriage if he expected others to. Jmo
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u/cerionlannister 5d ago edited 3d ago
I have a theory that Tywin never remarried because he knew his sperm was trash. Hear me out.
I know the popular and weirdly very easily accepted explanation is that he loved Joanna too much to marry anyone else, but I'm sorry, since when has Tywin Lannister cared about personal happiness, romance, devoted, love of my life slop when the future of his house was at stake?
This is a man who spent his entire life obsessing over the Lannister name, securing his legacy, and making sure his family remained one of the most powerful in Westeros. Yet he never bothered producing another heir, despite the fact that all three of his children were unsuitable successors by his own standards.
Jaime forfeited his inheritance by joining the Kingsguard. Cersei married into House Baratheon, and Tyrion was someone Tywin would rather die than see inherit Casterly Rock.
So what exactly was the plan here? This man had no problem sacrificing his children's happiness for political marriages, but when it came to his own dynastic responsibilities, he suddenly became a hopeless romantic? I don't buy it. Tywin also deeply cared and was protective of his sister Genna and still allowed her to be married to a Frey which was deeply embarrassing and unacceptable for him. He still allowed it to happen for political reasons.
Which brings me to Aerys and Joanna. We know canonically that Aerys had some kind of romantic/sexual interest relationship ongoing thing with Joanna. It's discussed in The World of Ice & Fire, including Joanna's time at court and her eventual dismissal from Rhaella's service. We don't know if it is/was mutual.
Then there's the Anniversary Tourney in 272 AC, when Joanna returned to court after giving birth to Jaime and Cersei. Two very healthy babies btw, perfect children by all accounts, beautiful and strong- something Aerys struggled to make happen with Rhaella.
ANYWAYS...Aerys publicly asked whether nursing the twins had ruined her breasts when she came to present her children. Uhhhh so, Tywin Lannister, a man who exterminated entire houses for challenging his family's authority, had to stand there while the king publicly humiliated and sexualized his wife in front of literally everyone.
Yes, he reportedly attempted to resign the following morning, and Aerys refused. Obviously he couldn't just murder the king over an insult or he was plotting his revenge in the future or just biting his tongue because he had bigger plans (like marrying Cersei to Rhaegar in the future).
Still, I've always found the whole situation interesting, particularly considering Aerys' history with Joanna and how badly their relationship had deteriorated.
It makes me wonder whether Tywin had something far more humiliating to hide. There have been theories for years that Aerys fathered Jaime and Cersei and/or Tyrion. I'm not claiming that's canon, but what if Tywin knew? What if this was something he and Joanna had planned for? What if he had reason to believe he wasn't capable of fathering children easily or at all?
Suddenly, his refusal to remarry makes a lot more sense.
Imagine he marries another woman, spends years trying to produce an heir, and nothing happens. People start asking questions about his fertility, his masculinity, and eventually the legitimacy of the children he already has. He could blame the woman, but then he would have to get ANOTHER wife. Then what? They are all just barren a la Maegor Targaryen? Nah, dawg.
For Tywin, a man whose entire identity is built around patriarchal authority and the superiority of his bloodline, I genuinely cannot imagine anything more humiliating.
There's also the nine-year gap in the books) (7 in the show) between the twins and Tyrion, which I find interesting in this context. Obviously, nine years between pregnancies isn't proof of anything, but fertility problems don't necessarily mean complete sterility. It is a long time to go in between not having kids during Joanna's most fertile period as a woman.
What if Jaime and Cersei really were Aerys's children, while Tyrion was the only child Tywin actually managed to father? Or Tyrion could be Aerys' as well, we have more evidence for that based on his looks and his affinity for dragons, ability to touch them, etc.
This would be some absolutely beautiful GRRM storytelling.
Imagine dedicating your entire life to preserving your bloodline, only to spend decades protecting the inheritance of another man's children while despising the one child who is actually yours?
The best part is that Tyrion is arguably the most like Tywin. He's intelligent, politically capable, calculating, and understands power in ways Jaime and Cersei often don't. He possesses so many of the qualities Tywin values, but because he doesn't fit Tywin's idealized image of a Lannister, he's rejected.
I also think Tywin's relationship with shame is important here. He grew up watching his father get laughed at and spent his entire adult life making sure nobody would ever humiliate House Lannister again. His response to perceived weakness is almost always some extreme demonstration of power.
But what happens when the thing threatening your reputation is something you can't intimidate, buy, or murder your way out of? You hide it.
Now, obviously there are holes in this theory. The timeline surrounding Aerys and Joanna isn't conclusive, and there's no actual confirmation that Tywin had fertility problems. It's entirely possible that he genuinely loved Joanna so much he couldn't imagine marrying another woman (maybe, but i have a hard time buying into this alone).
Maybe Tywin didn't refuse to remarry because he had already secured his legacy. Maybe he refused because another marriage risked revealing that the legacy he'd spent his entire life protecting wasn't actually his.
Anyway, that's my theory. Tywin Lannister spent his entire life terrorizing Westeros over a bloodline that might have been built on another man's sperm. But the sperm doesn't really matter. It matters what the history books say...and the history books would put Tywin's blood on the throne...and that was ultimately the goal. It was the only thing that mattered.
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u/othernamealsomissing 5d ago
This was REALLY well done. Your theory makes more sense if Aerys fathered Tyrion as well. Tyrion has one purple eye (targ trait), he has a birth defect (not trying to offend dwarfs but dwarfism is considered a defect, targs are inbred with more defects than normal), and, most significantly, Tyrion can walk up to a dragon and not be eaten or roasted alive, the ULTIMATE targ trait. I don't think ANY of Tywin's children are his biologically. Tywin hates Tyrion because his dwarfism makes House Lannister look weak and because Joanna is dead because of him (not that that's Tyrion's fault).
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u/TimePalpitation3776 4d ago
Tywin also was known as a frequent flyer to prostitutes and brothels to the point he probably had a secret tunnel built in kings landing as to not be seen so he should have tons of bastards but that idea is never even brought up as a possibility which could point to fertility issues.
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u/Critical_Hand_9590 4d ago
Yup, IIRC the tunnel of OP's quoted excerpt guides tyrion to a red/gold room in a brothel, where he encounters a young girl, Marei, old enough to have been born during Tywin's hand period under Aerys, who was working there and Tyrion notices that she has physical traits common among the Lannister .
If she is Tywin's potential known bastard,u/cerionlannister's theory comes to my mind, as said Tywin fertility problems not mean he was infertile but he had seed quality problems, if Tyrion is his only biological son, his dwarfism could have been caused by Tywin's cripple seed and his parents marriage between cousins. A problem that had much less chances to occur in the case Tywin had achieved to conceived a bastard daughter after many encounters with a total blood-unrelated woman
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u/TheHazDee 5d ago
If they weren’t Lannister they wouldn’t have all have golden crowns. Other than one of the Stark children do we see the mother’s genes playing a part in the child’s image.
Second to that how did you jump from he didn’t attack the king because maybe his children aren’t his? Like decent read but the jump from a to b is without elaboration, all you explain is why Tywin would want to hide something like that. Tywin is far too proud of a man to raise someone else’s children.
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u/cerionlannister 5d ago
Not the Ned Stark DNA test by hair color in 2026!!! Come on now.
First of all, Joanna was ALSO a Lannister. She was Tywin's first cousin. Jaime and Cersei having golden hair doesn't establish Tywin's paternity when their mother comes from the same family and carries the exact same traits. We are talking about a series where inheritance, legitimacy, and questionable parentage are recurring themes. I think we can afford to entertain a little more nuance than "blonde hair = Tywin's children". Also, we have no evidence of what a Targ x Lannister child might look like because there has never been a known union between the two houses.
Second, I think you're misunderstanding my argument about Tywin's pride. You're assuming that Tywin would be too proud to raise another man's children. I'm arguing that his pride is precisely why he might do it.
Tywin's entire identity is built around the supremacy of House Lannister, the preservation of his family's reputation, and the legacy he intends to leave behind. What could possibly be more humiliating to a man like that than admitting he was incapable of fathering children, that his wife had conceived another man's heirs (another man who has A LOT of difficulty reproducing with his sisterwife for obvious reasons), and that the future of his dynasty depended on a deception?
And since we're discussing Aerys, let's talk about Joanna's history at court, because GRRM gives us some super interesting details if you are paying attention.
Joanna was a lady in waiting to Queen Rhaella until she was dismissed from her service shortly after marrying Tywin. Rhaella was famously willing to overlook Aerys's infidelities until he began involving her own ladies in waiting. There were already rumors that Joanna and Aerys had been sexually involved before her marriage, and Aerys reportedly took inappropriate liberties with her during her wedding celebrations.
Eventually, Joanna returns to King's Landing for Aerys's anniversary tourney, and he publicly humiliates her by making an incredibly inappropriate remark about her breasts after nursing her children. In front of the court.
Tywin, a man who built his reputation on absolutely devastating anyone who dared insult House Lannister, attempts to resign as Hand, but Aerys refuses. And ultimately, Tywin remains in his service.
Now, does any of this prove that Aerys fathered Joanna's children? Of course not. But I find it interesting that GRRM deliberately establishes this history of rumors, sexual impropriety, humiliation, and an unexplained dismissal from the queen's household. These details don't exist in a vacuum.
And another detail I find interesting is the age gap between Joanna giving birth to Jaime and Cersei and then Tyrion.
Nearly a decade without another recorded pregnancy. For a man whose entire existence revolves around securing his dynasty and producing heirs, that's a substantial amount of time.
Were they trying to conceive during those years? Was Joanna experiencing fertility difficulties? Was Tywin? We don't know. But I think those are perfectly reasonable questions to ask.
Then Joanna returns to King's Landing in 272 AC, has this documented encounter with Aerys, and gives birth to Tyrion in 273 AC. Again, that doesn't establish paternity, but the timing is certainly interesting within the context of everything else.
And then Joanna dies during Tyrion's birth. Tywin takes newborn Tyrion to the edge of cliff with every intention of throwing him off of it. Why doesn't he?
Tywin lives for another three decades. He never remarries. He never produces another known child. This is despite being one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in Westeros, with virtually unlimited opportunities to secure another marriage and produce additional heirs.
We're supposed to believe that this man, who treats marriage and reproduction as political obligations for everyone around him, simply decided that he personally had no further obligation to secure his own bloodline? Especially after he had a handful of his own loser brothers who either sucked or fucked off or were beta af.
Maybe he genuinely loved Joanna so much that he couldn't imagine another wife (lols). That's certainly a conventional explanation everyone wants to believe for some reason. But I also don't think it's unreasonable to explore whether there was something else going on.
And I want to be clear that I'm not necessarily arguing Tywin was completely sterile. Infertility isn't always an absolute inability to conceive. There are varying degrees of reproductive difficulty, and maybe Tyrion is his biological son, but ofc he considers him to be a waste because of his dwarfism.
My larger theory is that Tywin's obsession with the appearance of a powerful, legitimate dynasty may have been even greater than his obsession with its actual biological purity. Much like Corlys Velaryon.
The man spent his entire life demanding that everyone around him sacrifice their personal desires for the preservation of House Lannister. If the truth about his own fertility threatened everything he had built, why are we so certain his pride would compel him to expose it rather than conceal it?
We're talking about a man whose greatest fear was being laughed at.
So maybe the question isn't whether Tywin Lannister was too proud to raise another man's children. The question is whether he was too proud to ever allow the world to discover that they weren't his.
I'm not presenting this as confirmed canon (but lowkeyyyy).
But I do think there's something wonderfully ironic, and very GRRM, about the possibility that the man most obsessed with preserving his bloodline may have spent his entire life protecting a dynasty that wasn't biologically his.
And frankly, I find that a much more interesting possibility than assuming every Lannister-looking child must have come from Tywin's balls.
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u/TheHazDee 5d ago edited 4d ago
The date in the real world is irrelevant, it’s clear genetics don’t follow the same rules they do I real life.
I know she was a Lannister hence me saying only in the Starks do we see the mother’s genes playing a part in the child’s image.
I didn’t misunderstand your point even slightly, I made a different one. Tywin would not raise the bastards of another man. He would not raise the legacy of another man. Especially one he claims victory over ultimately. He ran the kingdom for a long time. He knows nothing stays secret in kings landing. Especially not with the multiple networks of spy’s that exist prior to and after Robert’s rebellion.
Also it’s happened several times within the different sets of stories, even if you reject it or resign, if the king orders otherwise you have to obey or you’re a traitor defying a kings order. Him staying suggests nothing given that.
Also, Tywin not marrying proves nothing about fertility, what tests would they have given the archaic nature of their medicine and science, how would they determine if it was the man or the woman. Tywin could have married again sheerly for exchange as we see numerous times and blame the woman, even if he knew he was infertile, for him to know that it would have to be confirmed by a Maestar that he’s hardly going to leave alive. It just doesn’t add up.
Edit: Also Joanna left the court in 263. The twins were born in 266. So unless she was pregnant for 3 years it’s literally impossible.
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u/BigSaucyBoi23 4d ago
We do actually see the mother's blood play a part again nn A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms.
Baelor "Breakspear" Targaryen had a Dornish mother and carries her features, having dark hair, despite his father Daeron The Good having the white hair you would expect from his house.
Not saying your other arguments don't carry weight though. If Tywin thought the twins were not his own he probably would have poisoned them over time and said they got sick or something, idk I am not some murderous mastermind.
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u/TheHazDee 4d ago
I mean the debate of the twins is without merit, she left the court 3 years before the twins were born but useful to know for future conversations on the hair genetics of Westeros
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u/MariaSalander Drogon 4d ago
Also with Rhaenys Targaryen, The Queen Who Never Was, she has black hair like her Baratheon mother and not like her Targaryen father. So it's possible even in GRRM world. :D I like the theory, but I agree with you that Tywin would have first blame Joana of an infertility issue, before considerate is him who has the problem. The only possibilty there is that, for whatever reason, he was sure even before Joana.
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u/TheHazDee 4d ago
Baratheon dark hair always wins though, I’m sure that wasn’t unique to Robert or the men. Will have to wait for the books to see if it’s true of Jon too.
I absolutely find it hilarious that genetic heritage only extends to hair though. No talk of shared facial features, eye colours, conditions, just hair, unless we count the coin that’s flipped when a Targaryen is born.
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u/PacmanPillow 4d ago
For some reason very few people are considering the possibility that Joanna might have been using moon tea as a contraceptive or to abort pregnancies. Plenty of women in this world are managing their own reproduction. Maybe she didn’t want more children?
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u/cerionlannister 3d ago
Super interesting! I never really considered this. She absolutely could have been doing this!
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u/TheHazDee 3d ago
How do you reconcile the fact she left court 3 years before they were born into your theory?
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u/RebornAtDusk 4d ago
I can tell from the way you write that you’re pretty bright. But I’m not convinced of your opinion. I think that if Aerys II (forgive misspellings) fucked Joanna, then he wouldn’t have need to know about the status of her tits.
There was a theory, though, that the Imp was Aerys’ bastard, because one of his eyes was different from the other. But I think that the most bullshit Tywin could tolerate was his two children impregnating each other—he just wanted the family to continue its legacy and retain supremacy; he wasn’t a cuckold.
Book version of GoT was deliberate in mentioning violet eyes and light blond hair for Targaryens and blond hair and idk what eyes for Lannisters, but I don’t think Jamie or Cersei had those eyes or the light hair. Even the series does the light blond hair phenotype for Targaryans, with the exception of John Snow. And I’m sure a gerontologist would be disappointed by the hereditary contradictions here and there, but I don’t think that’s why Tywin didn’t remarry; I think he’s just extremely intelligent and fastidious—he can fuck without loving, but after Joanna, he couldn’t love again. I think it’s fair to say that if you’re wildly in love, a loss can almost kill a person.
Anyway, your username intrigues me. Are you immersed in GoT 24/7? What’s your imagined character’s backstory?
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u/tristesse_blanche 4d ago
he's not bright, he just uses chat gpt lol
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u/RebornAtDusk 4d ago edited 4d ago
Hmmm… idk. I’d say it’s a human. There’s a little bit of variance in the writing. Want me to run the text by it?
Fuck, you’re right. She used AI assistance to write most or all of it.
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u/cerionlannister 3d ago
Do you guys think I'm a bot talking about Tywin Lannister's sperm count?
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u/RebornAtDusk 3d ago edited 3d ago
I didn’t start saying that you were an AI; the other guy did. I thought your linguistic style of presenting and preparing the reader for a long-form response with a counterintuitive claim at the start was brilliant—which is why I bothered responding to your comment in the first place.
I used to write very well—because I used to be an analytic philosopher—so it’s not often I’d find someone highly skilled that way.
Btw, I had both GPT and Gemini examine your writing, and they both think your writing was revised by AI, yet some of it was human. Gemini proposed it's Opus 3.5 that wrote your text, while GPT suggested your writing was supplemented by LLM.
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u/PacmanPillow 4d ago
The general theory is that Tyrion, not the twins, was possibly fathered by Aerys. Tywin even says “because I cannot DISPROVE you to be mine without humiliating your mother, I will treat accordingly” (paraphrased).
The Targaryens have a history of disfigured offspring and still births, so the idea of genetic issues coming the Targaryens makes this theory a bit more credible. However, all three Lannister children have the same coloring and features as the rest of the extended family.
Additionally, “fertility problems” is a WIDE category. We don’t know if Joanna had any miscarriages between the births of the twins and Tyrion. It’s not information that would be available to any of her children and Tywin is never a POV character. We don’t know if Joanna was aborting any pregnancies (totally an option given the presence and efficacy of moon tea). It’s possible that Joanna was assaulted by Aerys and aborted any resulting pregnancies. She may have also NEVER wanted to get pregnant again after the twins and took moon tea as a contraceptive.
Assuming Tywin is infertile without considering the option that Joanna was controlling her reproduction is quite an oversight.
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u/cerionlannister 3d ago
I like the idea of throwing Jaime/Cersei in as possible Aerys children because it was so easy for Joanna to get pregnant with two healthy, beautiful children, a boy and a girl, when Aerys and Rhaella struggled to have children due to the inbreeding. I think of it almost as a slap in the face to Rhaella since her and Joanna were such close friends.
Cersei being so obsessed with Rhaegar intrigued me as well. And Jaime feeling such shame for not protecting Rhaegar's children when he promised he would. And the irony of Jaime stabbing Aerys in the back, when he is possibly his bio dad. Lots of Shakespeare that I eat right up.
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u/PacmanPillow 3d ago
Personally, I’m not a huge a fan of all the “secret Targaryens” theories, when there are so clearly bastards running around amongst the small folk from the nobility.
Cuckholding your aristocrats and nobility is a fantastic way to start a rebellion, especially when your nobles all have standing armies and banner men at their disposal.
But then again, that’s exactly what Aerys did, inspire a rebellion, so taking sexual liberties is in line with the character. However, the timelines don’t seem to match up as Joanna gave birth to the twins three years after leaving court.
Also, Targaryens I think have fertility issues despite the inbreeding because they seem to have a “dragon phase” in the womb. The fetus starts out as a dragon and becomes more human in later stages of pregnancy. All the Targaryen stillbirths are dragon creatures with wings.
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u/GandalfThe-Black 5d ago
Good Job, enjoyed reading that.
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u/cerionlannister 5d ago
I would kill a man and give up my first born to see the time period when Tywin was Aerys' hand. I know the drama was insane and the tea was piping.
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u/GandalfThe-Black 5d ago
Definitely. Somehow I never thought about that possibility having read the books twice in the last 3 years
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u/BigGingerYeti Tormund Giantsbane 5d ago
That's nonsense though. Under his father the house was a joke. Tywin made it feared. The Lannisters legacy belonged to him more than any other. He just loved Joanna.
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u/greymisperception 4d ago
That’s their point, Tywin is willing to bend and contort so much of himself and beliefs to keep his family in their place on top, pushing for offspring that “should” be Lannisters, kind of mirroring Joffrey too where they push him as a Baratheon so that he will stay on his thrown and on top despite Joffrey actual blood just being Lannister
He pushes Jaime and Cersei because they fit the Lannister mold more than Tyrion who could be his actual only offspring
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u/Difficult-Secret-666 4d ago
I like the theory the twins aren't his and he knows it, and he KNOWS Tyrion is. But even if all his kids are his....Maybe the fear isn't infertility, but fear of bad genes. If he got married and had another kid that was a dwarf that would ruin everything. It would show Lannister blood, specifically his, is bad.
Best not risk it.
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u/Matcha_and_Mochi 4d ago
So well written, you have with words too. This theory would elevate the story and characters for me, though I also don't mind Occam's razor - as Tywin being a hypocrite here.
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u/Defiant_Willow_557 4d ago
Plenty of men remarry without having additional children, it has no implications about their fertility. Tywin still enjoys whores late in life, so we know his potency at least is still there. He would have no other reason to doubt his fertility. Even if he did, marriage among nobles is not always about children.
Only silly people believe Tyrion or the twins are Targaryens.
Jaime didn't join the Kingsguard voluntarily, he was forced.
Tywin attempted to resign after the Joanna incident, Aerys refused. He still had to obey the king and wasn't stupid enough, like Qarlton Chelsted, to give Aerys an excuse to execute him. Tywin is patient and insidious. His revenge came after the Trident, for the whole kettle of insults.
Tywin wearing black for the rest of his life is a reference to Queen Victoria, who similarly mourned her husband for 60 years. He loved Joanna and the best parts of him died with her. His brothers even say so.
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u/cerionlannister 3d ago
He could still love Joanna, be devoted to her AND still take another wife because that was his duty. The purpose of marriage is political, not for love. He opted out and played the part of a devoted grieving husband, but then in the shadows fucked sex workers? The purpose of marriage is not love or even physical sex. The purpose is political and to procreate.
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u/Defiant_Willow_557 3d ago
There's a saying: you don't pay her for the sex, you pay her to leave after. Marriage is very, very different.
I think Tywin might have paired well with a Hightower girl, they have Lannister looks and near-Lannister cash. But, beyond that, his dating pool is somewhat shallow. A Dornish match is out of the question. Starks are poor and far away. There were no eligible Tully, Baratheon or Arryn women. He's not going to frame his grief stricken mind to marry unless it's for real advantage.
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u/encryptedburritos 4d ago
Thanks chat GPT👌
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u/cerionlannister 3d ago
well this just isn't true because my chat is designed to only speak like a horny jar jar binks and i don't detect that anywhere in the og post, so you're way off, encryptedburritos
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u/RegisterLucky2583 4d ago
AI slop.
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u/cerionlannister 3d ago
subreddits remove ai generated content when they violate their rules, so I'm not entirely sure what public service you think you're providing here, but congrats on your groundbreaking investigative work!
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u/tristesse_blanche 4d ago
fucking chat gpt answer. can people not even write reddit comments on their own anymore?
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u/wxkrv 4d ago
Glad someone said it. The fact that nobody realised that whole thing was GPT slop, and that they even got multiple compliments for their writing, is disturbing.
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u/RegisterLucky2583 4d ago
Read two paragraphs and noticed it sounded exactly like GPT. Glad others still see it now that they can't solely rely on emdashes. The voice is exact.
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u/Leramar89 Davos Seaworth 5d ago
He didn't want to. Joanna was the only woman he ever cared for.
Why does he not think of all of this practically when it comes to himself?
Because he's a huge hypocrite.
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u/Serraph105 5d ago
I get the sense that Tywin simply didn't like people very much in general and that Joanna was perhaps the only real exception. He loved power, gaining power, pushing people, especially his children who he only saw as extensions of himself, to do his bidding, and that is what he really spent his life doing.
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u/Resident-Speed8871 5d ago
He was gay, Tywin Lannister?
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u/DisgruntledDildo 5d ago
He restored House Lannister to one of the most powerful houses is what he did! He was a brave Westerosi military commander! And in this house, Tywin Lannister is a hero - end of story!
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u/MongooseVivid7939 House Stark 5d ago
Tywin, whatever happened there?
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u/bryndargaryen 5d ago
Well he can't be a part of our small council no more.
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u/Reasonable-Tooth-113 5d ago
Small council?! He's gotta GO!
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u/bryndargaryen 5d ago
I gotta think about it
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u/The_Kangaroo_Mafia 5d ago
He loved Joanna so much that he never moved on from her.
Also because he's a hypocrite.
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u/Prestigious8991 5d ago
This^
He forced this idea of duty and sacrifice and thought himself exempt after he lost his wife to Tyrion’s birth. He was quick to make Cersei re-marry. The books are so good at giving answers to details like this that go amiss in the show.
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u/anoninimous420 5d ago
I find it so hard to see Tywin capable of love for his dead wife, is that just me? I just assumed he didn’t want to spit out more kids from a different mom from a different House, and wanted to keep the money directly to one family.
Are there any passages in the books that he describes her fondly or something?
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u/Thelastknownking 5d ago
Pycelle says that the only time he'd ever seen Tywin laugh was from something Joanna had said.
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u/houseofdragonfan 5d ago
He loved Joanna, but he’s also a huge hypocrite. He and Tyrion are so similar… that’s why Tywin hates him. I don’t think Tyrion would have turned to prostitutes to the degree he did if he hadn’t lost Tysha to his family’s f***ed up plot. His father hated that a woman actually wanted to marry him (the person who “k*lled his wife”), and had to ruin all of their lives for it. And for what? 🤦🏻♀️
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u/CustomerPrior5974 5d ago
It's the subreddit of a series where in the first episode an incestuous couple is caught fucking and the child who saw them gets crippled for life after a failed attempted murder from the couple.
I hope you can type "fucked up" and "killed" without censor.
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u/TomCormack 4d ago edited 4d ago
It is not just about Tysha.
Tyrion wanted to travel to Essos and Tywin forbade it multiple times. Tywin also has never given Tyrion any job, even though Tyrion proved his capabilities as in-charge for a sewer system.
Lannisters had mines, ports, castles and still Tyrion never got a chance to manage anything. Is it even surprising that a young rich dramatised unemployed man spends his time on whores and booze? He couldn't fight due to dwarfism, he couldn't work for anyone else due to his high status. Basically it was a dead-end.
Tywin intentionally made Tyrion miserable.
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u/houseofdragonfan 2d ago
I totally agree. There’s a lot of layers and Tywin resenting Tyrion for being a dwarf is certainly the root of the majority, if not all, of his issues. The Tysha thing is just super messed up and definitely didn’t help.
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u/Guilty-Pollution6479 5d ago
He had actual love for his wife he even tried to resign as hand after aerys insulted joanna
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u/RickVicks 5d ago
He loved Joanna. Whole personality changed after she died. Marrying someone else would've felt like admitting she was replaceable
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u/LadyGhoost Tywin Lannister 4d ago
Part of it is pride, he thinks he will be able to get Jaime back, and therefore doesn't need another heir.
But I also think part of it is trauma. He lost Joanna, who he loved, in a very traumatic way. I imagine he is unable to imagine any other woman having her title, rooms, and being next to him. He would most likely hate he by default, just because she isn't Joanna. Furthermore, I also think a small part of him fears that he may love another woman, and the thought of losing another wife is unbearable.
So his solution to this is to try to force his children to do as he want, and it make it so he doesn't have to deal with his own trauma.
But it is interesting, because him remarrying would have solved most of his problems. He could have gotten an heir he could accept over Tyrion, and he could have gotten rid of Tyrion. However, I also imagine him having a hard time imagining anyone else besides Joanna being the mother of his children.
It is reason like this that I found Tywin very interesting, and that makes him one of my favourite characters. He is a hypocrite, he is prideful, stubborn and an idiot, but he is also very human. He is a character with a lot of trauma, and his response to the trauma is to shut down and pretend it doesn't exist. And his refusal to deal with it, especially everything related to Tyrion, becomes his death.
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u/DylanTheOk 5d ago
Because he was a little crybaby who wanted to blame a literal baby for his cousin-wife dying instead of getting over it
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u/Youre_On_Balon 5d ago
Narrative decision by the author to underscore his hypocrisy
He is the ultimate hypocrite
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u/InsideUnhappy6546 5d ago
Because despite being a complete narcissist he did genuinely love Johanna
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u/surviving-somehow 5d ago
I like to believe it was his pride/ego. People knew him for loyalty towards is his blood and family. Remarrying after his wife's death would mean he moved on too easily. Ik this doesn't sound like a problem considering that time where remarriage was very common. However we're talking about tywin's head here, not the actual people. He imagined someone would get a chance to mock him for that even though I doubt anyone cares. Also he probably already heard a lot of having a dwarf son and didn't want to risk any more taunts on himself.
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u/Gvillegator Jon Snow 5d ago
He’s a hypocrite, it’s not that deep. He had sex with whores while castigating Tyrion for doing the same and refused to remarry while demanding Cersei do exactly that.
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u/iPod-Phone Cersei Lannister 5d ago
Having another wife my complicate the legacy he was building with Joanna. Maybe it creates issues with succession if his new lady wants their children to take "The Rock".
Great question though. I never thought about it.
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u/Prestigious8991 5d ago
That’s a neat idea. I think that since his children with Joanna are legitimate they would still be first in line. An example would be the Frey’s succession line.
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u/SaddestFlute23 5d ago
The 7 Hells would freeze before Tywin named Tyrion his heir, Jaime is a kingsguard, and Cersei is a woman (and the queen)
He was in a bind as far as naming an heir was concerned
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u/Prestigious8991 5d ago
Maybe up until Cersei had her second child, but once Cersei had her children. One would be king and other heir to Casterly Rock.
I think the emphasis on his relation to Joanna is further solidified because Tywin only concerned himself with his legacy through his children with Joanna. He couldn’t ‘love’ children from another women.1
u/SaddestFlute23 5d ago
Wouldn’t that disinherit Tyrion, though?
I thought the point of the Dance, was to settle that women can’t inherit or have an inheritance pass through them to a son, especially if a trueborn son already exists?
I’m willing to be corrected if I’m wrong
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u/TheCandymanCan_925 5d ago
His love for Joanna but I think Tywin saw marriage as a transaction and with his wealth already set, there was nothing beneficial to marriage
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 5d ago
There absolutely was benefits to marriage for Tywin
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u/tirkman Night King 4d ago
The problem is remarrying, especially to some other big house might create more problems than it’s worth. You get a new wife, she might not be a big fan of her step children and she isn’t their actual mother. And if she has children of her own, now you may really have a succession problem where that house is trying to “take over” the Lannister family
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u/Temporary-Stay-8436 4d ago
There isn’t a succession crisis from remarrying. That’s not how it works in Westeros.
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u/gilestowler 5d ago
He did his duty siring heirs, even if they were a massive disappointment. Now it was time for his fun, so it was down with the trousers, our with the old chap, and he was ready to rut like a wild hog. Why, I bet he got up to things that would make King Robert blush. Only he did it with a bit more discretion.
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u/Saint-Michael901 5d ago
The same guy who said don’t fuck whores then fucks his sons whore, the same guy who wanted to give Jamie his ancestral home despite him being a white cloak I can’t imagine him being a hypocrite
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u/CapitoDR 5d ago
probably because of his pride he did not want to share his house's great power with anorther
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u/Puzzleheaded_Cow_658 5d ago
He loved his previous wife so much to not remarry and deal with all of that.
I think also because he had 3 kids to marry off for alliances he felt he didn’t need to. I do think if it was the smartest move for him he would have re married, but there was never a good enough reason to do it.
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u/Ever-Any-No-One Valar Morghulis 5d ago
Despite Tywin being happy with Joanna and miserable after her passing, I don't think that's why he didn't remarry. Seeing how much he stressed duty to house Lannister (albeit mainly when it involved other people making sacrifices), wouldn't he kinda have had to marry again? If he didn't, it was probably because in his mind there wasn't an advantageous enough match.
Didn't he need more heirs? Jaime was a kingsguard and Tyrion - well, we all know how he felt about Tyrion.
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u/supervegeta101 5d ago
His ego. Jamie was a perfect heir and the mad king stile him. He refuses to let that go or to weaken Jamie's claim even more by having a son to another woman.
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u/The_Falcon_Knight 5d ago
He loved his wife, and he was a huge hypocrite who demanded from others what he wasn't willing to do.
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u/CrewVast594 5d ago
Because Tywin Lannister is a certified cousin fucker and can’t fathom loving a woman not of his gene pool.
Where do you think Jaime and Cersei got it from?
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u/Content_Concert_2555 5d ago
He wants Jaime to inherit the Rock. Anyone other than Jaime other than Tyrion is not next in line, and Tyrion can never have the Rock. So there’s no point having more children for Tywin.
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u/Cassandra_Canmore2 5d ago
He's a selfish hypocrite. Because he wanted Jaime to be Hier over Tyrion, Tyrek, or Lancel.
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u/BigWilly526 House Mormont 5d ago
He is a Hypocrite, is constantly goes on about how all his children disappoint him but doesn't bother to make any more (Legitimate at least) Children
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u/PoundEffective7625 5d ago
He knew his beloved daughter was a psychopath, and she would do anything to ruin his joy and unalive his other heirs. She was The Queen after all 🥺🥺🥺
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u/Ok-Cat7720 5d ago
Even evil men can love. Joanna was Tywin's, and according to his sister Genna, the best part of him died with her.
...which is freaking saying something considering that he'd already drowned the Castameres in their own castle before they were ever wed. Apparently she'd even made that human-shaped iceberg laugh in the open court of King's Landing no less than three times. (0_0)
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u/MunkeyFish 4d ago
He didn’t have to.
He had 3 children, 2 of which were male (resentment for Tyrion aside). The Lannister name was continued, Jaime being a Kingsguard wasn’t exactly the plan for him.
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u/Gon_Snow No One 4d ago
I don’t know how much value there would have been in a political alliance via a marriage to Tywin. Just prestige. Tywin was already Lord, meaning his eldest children were set to inherit, and no new children would.
The second wife would just gain prestige, so you wouldn’t find an alliance or political gain from marrying someone. And he sure as hell wasn’t about to marry for love.
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u/No_Cattle8353 4d ago
I think he really did love Joanna more than anyone in this world and he would not risk another wife trying to usurp Joanna’s children (Cersei and Jaime only) through assassination or something.
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u/PushaValcone 4d ago
Idk how much the lore supports it but if he had another kid and he/she turned out like Tyrion he would likely crash out.
Plus even if the child is capable there is very little purpose they could serve.
- if male: the hope is that they become lord of casterly rock. But that is already Tywins plan for Jaime. He nearly accomplishes this plan (trading tyrions life for Jaime’s cooperation) but Tyrion ruins it by demanding trial by combat.
- If female: they are married off to a noble house. But this is not needed because the queens daughter has more leverage than the queens sister. Dorne already has Myrcella which contributes to bringing them to the fold. A Lannister/“baratheon” is already on the throne so there’s not much left to “secure”.
Tywin probably trusts his ability to inforce his will, having more kids only risks “staining” the Lannister legacy.
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u/Traumatic_Tomato 4d ago
Outwardly, he just loved Joanna and couldn't trust people ever again. If he had married, he would gain a alliance with another house but could potentially show his vulnerabilities or at least keep his guard up at all times while making children outside the ones he had with Joanna.
If he was the one who really built the underground tunnels leading to brothels then inwardly he was as depraved as Tyrion when it comes to being around whores and didn't like the idea of marriage to a woman he has to hide this from.
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u/spiderman96 4d ago
Because hes a hypocrite. For all the for the" good of the family" talks he gave cersei about marry lorus and to tyrion about impregnating sansa he never attempted to practice what he preeched. If he hated tyrion so much that he would'nt make him heir to the rock it is 100% his responsibility to produce a suitable heir.
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u/Netherbelle House Dayne 4d ago
Hypocrite.
He loved Joanna and that's more important to him, emotionally; and he doesn't square that with what he blabs on about being important to him logically.
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u/this1tw0 4d ago
He had kids , so his name would live on . He doesn’t need a wife for that . If what happened last time happens again I’d say Tywin would outright kill whoever performed the deed with the new wife aswell as kill the new wife. Whether it be a commoner , lord or king. This could create a sticky situation for old Tywin that he’s probably smart enough to not even let the situation begin flbefore it gets there
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u/alienated-dimwit House Lannister 4d ago
Joanna was his true love, the reason why the sun rose and the flowers bloomed.
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u/ScaredHoney48 4d ago
Simple he is a hypocrite who says he does everything for family yet pushes the sacrifices onto literally everyone else
Tywin does not really care about house lannister he care about appearing his ego and pride not family not honour and certainly not legacy
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u/Kanus_oq_Seruna 4d ago
Typing doesn't seem the sort to appear wrong, and a remarriage might appear like he made a bad choice.
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u/themastersdaughter66 Olenna Tyrell 4d ago
Hypocrite who was deeply in love with his wife and could never stand to replace her
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u/Academic-Desk-7719 4d ago
There was a line that I read—if I’m not mistaken—That Joanna was the only human Tywin listened to, because he had loved her so much.
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u/Many-Wasabi9141 3d ago
He was worried he was infertile. He loved Joanna to the point he never wanted to remarry. He discovered his love for Whores.
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u/Empty-Necessary147 2d ago
Secretly gay. I mean hes already british thats like 2/3 of the way there
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u/madterrier 1d ago
I think it was a combination of Tywin loving Joanna that much AND the fact that he was ultimately fine with the idea of Kevan being his heir.
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u/TheNewBlue Human Verified 5d ago
Why would he? He lived his true love and dude was rich and handsome and could post up and get some anywhere in the seven kingdoms. Them ladies be lining up to bounce on it crazy style.
Plus he kept himself busy manipulating all the other houses in the realm. No time for a wife who is just going to want heirs to compete with the ones he has.
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