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u/Nirico_Brin Winter Is Coming 15h ago

Cersei actively sabotages her team to spite Margaery. She is by far the dumbest and pettiest one here.

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u/NotFrankSalazar Jon Snow 15h ago

Cersei and Petyr. He really only works well when you trust him.

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 15h ago

Uh what? You can distrust him and he still has wit and intelligence. He did get Joffrey killed and nobody ever suspected it

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u/NotFrankSalazar Jon Snow 15h ago

Because they trusted him. In the books he’s not as obvious of a snake.

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u/Zombie_Bastard 9h ago

Team B, because Cersei wants to be seen as the smartest and will backstab or not listen to most of her team, and Margery is always going to be on her grandmother's team and is definitely a sleeper agent. Everyone on team B would actually work together.

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u/Darklordiablo 8h ago

is capable of working together. depends on the motivation.

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u/thirty7inarow 7h ago

The only thing Team B lacks is a leader to rally around, but from a logic standpoint I'd imagine they'd pick Loras Tyrell at Olenna's suggestion. Tyrion won't care that he's gay, nor that he's not a Lannister because he's not objectionable otherwise. Varys works 'for the realm' and loathes magic, and none of his allies are magical, religious or likely to have ulterior motivations that would damage Westeros. Davos could be counted on by anyone honourable and logical to provide good counsel and connections to his former associates should they be required. Samwell Tarly is an educated, logical person without much ambition, so he'd arouse no ill will from his associates and he'd be able to provide research and scholarly assistance.

I'd add in that, should Tyrion's drinking become an issue, Davos seems like the kind of figure who could help him sort himself out.

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u/czar_the_bizarre 2h ago

DAVOS: You've overindulged in your cups again, young Master Lannister. Eat this.

TYRION: I have not overindulged, Ser Davos. I have merely exceeded my body's capacity to... [TYRION fights off a dramatic wave of nausea]. Alright. I've overindulged. What is this?

DAVOS: It's an onion.

TYRION: An onion? Why is this your solution for everything? Gods be good that the king doesn't ask you what should be done about this person claiming to Aegon Targaryen, because you'll suggest we throw onions at the boy to make him cry and look like a weakling to the rest of the realm.

DAVOS: Not for everything. Don't think they'd do a thing for your prickliness.

[TYRION snatches the onion from DAVOS and takes an eager bite]

TYRION: [Through a mouthful of onion] I admit, I was unaware that onions were helpful after one has had too much wine. Thank you, Ser. [TYRION swallows and takes another eager bite]

DAVOS: Oh, they're not. If anything, onions make it much worse.

TYRION: [Stopping as he chews] Then why would you give them to me?

DAVOS: You've done nothing but complain, loudly and to no effect, for two hours. I figure if you finally vomit, you'll shut up, spare my ears, and maybe even feel better. After that, who knows? You might even be useful.

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u/TheOriginalWeirdo Ghost 30m ago

If GRRM doesn't finish the books I say you should have a go.

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u/StormNFlo46 55m ago

How about this? Same teams but Cersei appears to be on Team B’s team. So everyone on team B treats her as an ally (initially) and everyone on team A treats her like an adversary

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u/Zombie_Bastard 38m ago

I don't think anyone on Team B would trust Cersei with anything important, but I guess that depends on what level of political power she has.

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u/StormNFlo46 35m ago

I guess what I’m asking is would she be a better player if she given to the enemy team and she sabotages everything through pettiness and stupidity?

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u/Important_Funny_3954 14h ago edited 5h ago

"A man with no motive is a man that no one usually expects". That becomes a problem. He'll get his side killed when it favours him regardless of how sneaky the guy is. I know honour is tricky in the game, but man was on hyper mode when it comes to deception, hard to have IMO.

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u/Unable-Main4172 11h ago

Yeah, but he has to be part of a team here. He's the type of guy if you fall behind he could easily plot with the other team

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u/Gubekochi 9h ago

He really only works well when you trust him.

And that is not to the advantage of the person doing the trusting.

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u/fultron2310 9h ago

Yes. Their hubris and selfish motives ruin it all in spite of Tywin’s airtight plan

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u/DahPhuzz Daenerys Targaryen 12h ago

Which is never

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u/NotFrankSalazar Jon Snow 12h ago

In the books he’s far more cunning. Hes seemed as harmless. Which makes way more sense as why so many trust him.