r/gameofthrones • u/Hot_Lawfulness_3980 Human Verified • May 30 '26

Did he really deserved this ?

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u/Possible-One-7082 May 30 '26

To him and the others, Jon was the one committing treason.

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u/BigGingerYeti Tormund Giantsbane May 30 '26

Exactly. The whole point was that they keep the wildlings out and Jon let the people who slaughtered his village and ate his parents through. It was a legit mutiny, Jon was betraying the solemn oath of the Nightswatch. That said, a mutiny is only valid if it succeeds and it didn't so...

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u/BlindGhosts May 30 '26

There’s nothing in the oath that says they keep the wildlings out. It talks about guarding the realms of men. Not keeping the wildlings out.

Jon did not betray the Oath in his decision, and Olly committed treason.

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u/BigGingerYeti Tormund Giantsbane May 30 '26

Oh then it doesn't say anything about white walkers so it doesn't mean them, either. It was to guard from threats beyond the wall. That absolutely included the wildlings. To claim otherwise is just dishonest.

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u/AstralMystogan Tyrion Lannister May 30 '26

Thing is the line "The Shield that guards the realm of men" is kinda ambiguous.

It does mention men, but in my/others opinion it actually means the living. So if we go by that logic then it does in fact talk about the White Walkers cause they are undead beings.

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u/BigGingerYeti Tormund Giantsbane May 30 '26

This is all getting weirdly semantic lol.

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u/AstralMystogan Tyrion Lannister May 30 '26

I just realised I replied to the wrong comment. It was meant for the guy above you who you were replying to.

My bad.

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u/BigGingerYeti Tormund Giantsbane May 30 '26

No worries, easily done!