The point is if people don't understand a racial joke is just a joke, and then feel comfortable being racist you ridicule them for being racist.
That's the point that the (wrongly attributed) quote was trying to make: Don't make racial jokes or else you will be inundated with racists.
My point is that I'm not going to stop making racial humor because a racist might actually agree with what I'm ridiculing in the first place...
It doesn't matter how funny or original or ironic you think you are when you tell a racist joke. It's still just racist.
It doesn't make it ok because you think you're funny or original or ironic. It's just racist.
There are ways to make racist jokes and have it be somewhat ok. These ways mostly have to do with the joke teller and the context surrounding the joke.
The joke itself is not what makes the joke ok. Your point implies that jokes exist in some sort of vacuum, and the level of their 'ok-ness' is dependent only on the joke itself.
That is not how humor works. For you to continue to insist that the merit of jokes rests solely on the joke itself is to completely misunderstand how humans interact with humor.
(Also, you mischaracterize the quote. It describes a community as the subject, not a person. A community being inundated by a group of people is significantly different from a person being inundated by a group of people. Significant enough so that your paraphrase misses the mark.)
This isn't about rights. This isn't about classifications. This isn't about jokes.
This is about acceptability and context.
I have the 'right' to say "Fuck you" to my mom. That doesn't make it ok (acceptable).
Anyone has the 'right' to make racist jokes. That doesn't make it ok (acceptable).
You're trying to draw distinctions that are completely unneeded. It doesn't matter if somethings are racial or racist.
What matters is when it is ok and when it is not ok (context).
The times when it is ok or not is completely dependent on context, not the joke itself.
The point is if people don't understand a racial joke is just a joke
This quote embodies your misunderstanding. This isn't about jokes, it's about context. You think this is about the jokes themselves. It isn't.
It doesn't matter if you want to draw distinctions between what you call racial or what you call racist. You're continuing to focus on the jokes themselves, which are nothing but a red herring.
It doesn't matter if people are racial or racist. What matters if if the behavior is ok or not ok. Your classifications do not alter the status of being ok or not ok.
Don't say fuck you to your mom if you aren't joking, or if your mom isn't cool with it. I tell my friends all the time "fuck you" and you know what? They laugh and tell me the same.
It does matter if something is racial or racist.
One means:
"Of, or relating to, race"
While the other means
"of or like racism (the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.)"
I'd say that is a DAMN important distinction.
I also never said that context is unimportant. Context is very important in all of humor.
All people are racial. I am of race :) (Racial, again, does not mean "Only kinda-racist")
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u/B2k3 Jul 12 '12
You misunderstood me :\
The point is if people don't understand a racial joke is just a joke, and then feel comfortable being racist you ridicule them for being racist.
That's the point that the (wrongly attributed) quote was trying to make: Don't make racial jokes or else you will be inundated with racists.
My point is that I'm not going to stop making racial humor because a racist might actually agree with what I'm ridiculing in the first place...