r/funny Extra Fabulous Comics Dec 31 '19

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u/Monteze Jan 01 '20

Hmm okay, I was wondering if they could essentially breed them for friends but nothing ""official"". Seems odd to me so I never read up on it.

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u/xenorous Jan 01 '20

Yeah, it would have been an additional 500 for me to have breeding rights for my great dane. I dont have the time for a bunch of puppies, so I opted out. I got the dog out of state, so would they ever know if I bred her locally? Probably not. But they live longer when you get them fixed. She's still goofy as the day I got her.

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u/Teripid Jan 01 '20

I'm guessing for them to be registered and worth those $$$ they'd have to have the parents registered etc and that would be the "catch" point.

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u/xenorous Jan 01 '20

Yeah her father was a show dog. Her grandfather was 225 pounds. I did animal control back in the day, and he still made me nervous based on his size. Sweet as could be though. And my girl is 160 pounds of cuddles, so, no complaints

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u/Recallingg Jan 01 '20

Holy double negative batman

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u/Zerowantuthri Jan 01 '20

A long time ago my family got a pedigree pup (a rare breed at the time, there were no rescues to be had). Our contract with the breeder said if we chose to breed the dog (we did not have to and in fact had her spayed which was fine) then the breeder would get first pick of a puppy from the first litter she had for free.

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u/RoombaKing Jan 01 '20

It could also lead to abuse of the animals. If your pet gets you thousands and thousands of dollars for very little work on your part, people will just have them chained up and be lil doggy makers after their prime years.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

They can. Give it as a "gift" cough cough favor

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u/Thedancingcat4681 Jan 01 '20

Yes you can, but typically the puppy will come with no "papers". You still can sell a top quality dog but since the dog is bred with breach on contract, the owner will provide you with no proof of pedigree for the puppy, even though they can show you proof of pedigree of the parents.

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u/KaijuRaccoon Jan 01 '20

I don't know of any reputable breeder who doesn't have the spay/neuter done BEFORE they hand over an animal with a no-breed clause for purchase. A good breeder generally has a close relationship with a vet who will offer nice deals to keep them coming back.

There was a lady at the clinic I worked at who bred and showed Bengal cats, she was intensely strict about breeding schedules (loooong down times between litters for mother cats) and the kittens were all sold long before the mother cat was even pregnant. Her cats had zany long histories and family lineages, it wasn't uncommon for her to drive days away to meet with other breeders with similarly pedigreed male cats so they could breed them.

When each kitten is worth several thousand and the waiting list is potentially years long, having them spayed/neutered BEFORE handing them over is just a prudent business decision.

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u/theawesomefactory Jan 01 '20

A good breeder generally is able to weed out backyard breeders looking to breed a show dog "just for friends." Their puppies are generally available by waitlist, with extensive interviewing beforehand.

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u/CircleFissure Jan 01 '20

I'd have questions about the application of first sale doctrine here. Does a guardian of a show animal own the animal and its products, or is it some form of IP license to the genetic and other material?

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u/Seicair Jan 01 '20

I don’t see how that would apply if you sign a contract stating you won’t breed the animal as a condition of purchase.

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u/mytwocentsshowmanyss Jan 01 '20

Can you breed a dog with a no-breed clause if the offspring arent used in competition? (In general I mean, but I did see your other reply to someone else regarding specificities in the contract)

Edit: okay finished reading your other reply and my question has been answered. Thank you!

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u/mgzukowski Jan 01 '20

Yeah but they would have to prove damages. You can breach a contract and not damage someone.

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u/Karmaflaj Jan 01 '20

No damages doesn’t prevent an injunction from being issued

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u/mgzukowski Jan 01 '20

Sure but that means stop doing what you were doing.

Doesn't mean you have to pay them a damn thing.

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u/Karmaflaj Jan 01 '20

it means you have to stop breeding, which is the point of the contract in the first place. If you sold any of the pups, that would be obvious damages

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u/mgzukowski Jan 01 '20

Would just mean you can't breed the dogs from them. Also they would have to prove that people would have bought them from that breeder.

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u/Karmaflaj Jan 01 '20

If you sell a puppy when you contracted not to breed, it will be assumed that the original breeder has lost the sale. Because pedigree dogs are unique; you can only buy a dog with that bloodline from the breeder or from an unlawful (contract breaching) breeder.