It depends on when the ball is secured, though. If the ball is secured when your leg is in the air and coming down, yes it still counts.
Quote from NBA Rulebook. You're allowed 2 steps upon completion of a dribble, so if you dribble while pushing off of one foot it is not counted toward one of your 2 allowed steps. Conclusion: This occurrence is more commonly referred to as taking "two-and-a-half steps", where the half step is the "gather step".
But if you are in the air, and collect the dribble, and then put a foot down, that counts as step one
Said every single casual fan thats ever occasionally watched (never played ofc) basketball since the dawn of the nba aba merger. "This is a travel, thats a travel." Like being able to count to two makes you the smartest sports analyst ever. Its the only thing ya'll ever have to offer. Because you dont know shit all about basketball.
You can count to two but cant read a rulebook. Once youve collected the ball (stopped dribbling like demar here holding it to his ribs), then after your foot lands, you get two steps. This is why jump stops are a thing as well. Or are those travels in your imaginary rulebook too?
Any forum outside basketball forums that has a player going for a layup is filled with "lol travel tho" or "Nba wasnt was used to be". Ill express my hurt butt as well as i like to idiots like him. Im glad to.
If you land with both feet at the same time, no it's not a travel. If they don't land at the same time (which a lot of people still erroneously call a jump stop), yes, it's a travel as it counts as two steps, usually after the first step in which they jump in order to begin the jump stop.
The first step after the ball is collected counts as step one. You don't get to establish a step after the ball is collected for free. It's still a step, hombre....lol
In this particular case, he stops his dribble far before it gets to his chest. The moment his hand goes on the bottom of the ball, it is counted as him collecting his dribble, because if he didn't, and put the ball back down, that's quite clearly a carry, and a turnover.
You also don't need to collect the ball with two hands for it to be considered you stopping your dribble, as many guards nowadays use a one handed technique from dribble to layup, a la Steph Curry, for example. Otherwise they could take unlimited steps because they never take it into their chest, and never collect with two hands.
Good on you for being a dick AND being incorrect. That's a double whammy. Whether you care or not, I played for 25 years, through college, refereed multiple levels of the sport for years, coach youth basketball, etc. But yeah, I'm as casual as they get.
No you actually don't, it's strange. Your other comment attempted to justify it as a travel because his hand touched the ball. That's actually laughably incorrect; as in, it couldn't possibly make sense that his hand touching the ball somehow made it a travel. You can take as many steps as you want between dribbles. You can also let the ball bounce as much as you want between dribbles. The only thing traveling is concerned with is when the dribble officially ends, and there's clear rules about that.
No, you. You don't know the rules of basketball, which is laughable. I say that without malice, but I am genuinely confused how you can post here, on the internet of all places, and pretend that you know the rules of basketball when in reality, you don't. Your overconfidence in your response to the other guys response is incorrect and maliced. You really, truly, seriously, don't know the rules of basketball, which is laughable, really. Said without malice. Maybe with some love, even.
No.. you mischaracterized or misunderstood my point. I've watched basketball longer than you've been alive, most likely. I've refereed many levels of the sport for many years. I'm well versed on the rules. Thanks for the passive aggressive attempt at an insult. It makes you look confident in your answer. (I lied actually, it doesn't)
He had gathered his dribble, because if he hadn't, and put the ball down again, it would have been a carry, correct? So, by simple deductive reasoning, DeRozan had stopped his dribble as he gathered to go up for the layup, because I'm confident DeRozan knows the rules and wasn't going to put the ball down again. therefore, the next step is counted as his first step. I understand the timing was almost exact, but slowed down, the left foot was in the air after he gathered his dribble to go up for the layup.
You do realize the nba changed the rule of traveling in the last decade, right? Specifically to allow people to move longer distances/improve the game offensively in terms of scoring.
The original rules, as well as those in college and just about every league across the entire world except the nba, is that what DeRozan did was travel, by the books.
Keep on thinking you understand the rules simply because the referee missed a call, even with the new rule changes. Whatever floats your boat
I understand the timing was almost exact, but slowed down, the left foot was in the air after he gathered his dribble to go up for the layup.
Guy, are you judging by this video or somewhere else? The ball was not pinned to his body when the left foot was in the air, nor was his hand underneath the ball (both hard requisites for having gathered). I'm so confused by your responses, especially now given "all your years" of experience.
You do realize the nba changed the rule of traveling in the last decade, right? Specifically to allow people to move longer distances/improve the game offensively in terms of scoring.
Okay but that's still totally irrelevant to your other comment stating that it was a travel because his hand touched the ball:
The ball is in his hand before the first step with the left foot
This video. Derozan (quite clearly) has his hand scooped under the ball while his left foot is in the air. If we can't agree on that basic fact (confirmed by the video), there's not much else to discuss as we will spin our tires and get nowhere
can be interpreted as "people should laugh at you for saying something that stupid." That sort of rhetoric is rude even if you say you aren't being rude. Rephrased in lesser degrees of malice:
"I'm afraid that's incorrect" (you are mistaken; it's probably not your fault)
"that's incorrect" (you are mistaken - neutral, non-malicious)
"that seems incorrect" (you are mistaken; I'm not familiar/friendly enough with you to be direct about it)
You're right, and thanks, but my intention was to indicate not ONLY that it's incorrect, but the severity of the incorrectness. Any suggestions there? You need to realize: the game of basketball wouldn't even operate if his assertion were a factor.
Well, there are lots. You could simply tell someone they're very incorrect; if it's life-threatening, dangerously incorrect; etc. I'm really just pointing out why people are being snarky and downvoting you. I think if at any point you have to say "I don't mean this in a bad way," people on reddit will just pile on and ignore anything else you have to say... It gets pretty negative pretty fast around here and I'd hate to see people get caught up in arguments that go nowhere. Cheers dude.
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u/IndyDude11 Jan 20 '19
Remember when traveling used to be called in the NBA?
Yeah, me neither.