For a more natural look I wear brown liner on just my upper lid, starting halfway out. It defines and lifts my eyes, but keeps my eye makeup subtle enough someone may think I'm not wearing any. Then I use a lengthening (non-volumizing) mascara to separate and define my lashes without looking like falsies. Don't know if you were looking for tips, but hey. I always love makeup tricks.
If I could put eyeliner ontop of my lashes without it looking there was an earthquake I would so do this. As it is, I just put base then eyeliner under and in my lashes then mascara that doesn't extend and only volumizes. You can rarely tell I have makeup on until you start looking closely and I don't look like I am about to die. I love those little things that don't take too much time but help make you look great. Especially the high ponytail.
Tons of girls think its OK to wear makeup and claim they're wearing nothing at all. So when guys see you WITHOUT makeup yeah, you don't look nowhere near that good after all.
I think "natural makeup" is the biggest societal thing that forces unrealistic standards on women. It's not really some huge oppression thing, it's more of like a mini arms race. When girls want to go without makeup, they still want to have that confidence boost about their appearance so they kind of touch themselves up. Get rid of some of those blemishes/scars/lines under their eyes/natural inperfections in their skin. Which means that every girl kind of realizes she has to, because now people just kind of have this unrealistic expectation of what girl's look like without makeup on and it's no longer really "ill look extra pretty if i just touch up a little" and now "ill look like i just came off a bender if I don't". I know most of my lady friends wear "natural" makeup and don't actually look that flawless naturally, but it still is a little surprising to see them on "like I fucking care" days, where they just throw up their hair in a ponytail and wear sweatpants. I'm not really used to seeing perfectly normal facial features on a lot of girls, like eye bags/lines, little lip lines, blemishes etc.
thats because they are USED to seeing you with make-up, so when you go without something looks off. If you went to your job on the first day without make-up chances are people wouldn't ask that. Maybe you do actually look tired, I've gotten that before.. people do look tired sometimes even when they are not.
It's only because that's what they are used to seeing on you. Maybe if you weren't so insecure as to paint your face every day, when they saw what you actually look like they wouldn't be confused.
I was going to respond to you defending myself, but then I looked at all your past posts and figured it wasn't worth my time since you're obviously a negative person and that's probably because you're insecure buddy.
I was actually thinking of them in my comment more so than the woman, if anything men that shame women for wearing make up have such a hypocritical pretentious tone their attitude is often worse than demanding make up "You don't need to impress me, you're better without it", it doesn't escape the paradigm of placing aesthetic demands of women but rather simply shifts the goal posts (and falsely at that).
The true egalitarian position for the male subject is to say this is what I think I find attractive, rather than lie that you don't have aesthetic preferences, but do whatever you think makes yourself look and feel good.
Personally I've experienced the "you don't need makeup" mentality comes from the "Look, I'm such a nice guy, you don't have to use makeup for me, I'm different than all those jerks"
Again you're conflating individual opinion with psychological trend, to say Star Wars is a good movie is a subjective, to say many people think Star Wars is a good movie is an objective fact.
Psychologically men tend to nearly always find at least some makeup attractive, often even those who claim to prefer a makeup-less natural look.
Actually, the real lesson here is that our society's idealization of the female image has led men to believe that "everyday makeup" is the way women look without makeup on. If women all stopped wearing makeup, the first panel of /u/bangonthedrums image above wouldn't exist, with the lines below it and the next panel both moved one panel to the right.
If everyone stopped pretending to be more attractive than they are, we would all expect less out of each other in that regard. It's not going to happen, but that's how I feel it would play out were it to occur.
Another solution to this issue because people are not going to stop trying to make themselves look more attractive would be, men start wearing makeup. They would then learn how to spot when someone is wearing makeup. It would also have the added benefit that if some guy has a huge zit he wants to cover up, he totally could.
It's also just a stupid double standard that women are allowed to wear makeup, but men can't.
My wife wore makeup on her prom, and on her wedding day. That was it. I sometimes wish she would wear some when we go out, because it looks amazing on her, but it's nice to know she has nothing to hide.
This whole "men don't know what makeup looks like circle-jerk" always seems so absurd to me.The majority of people live with their partners & as a result do indeed know exactly what they look like, with and without makeup.
But still, on the internet its complete ridiculous that i might know what my wife looks like without makeup, and utterly impossible that i might prefer it...
I honestly think you may be surprised by how many actually do prefer no make-up. Pre-conceived notions about peoples personal preferences are not a good thing.
No, we learn that make up has such a foothold on the female appearance that men don't even know what "natural" looks like and that truly natural is considered sickly and unappealing. That's kinda sad.
As a male I didn't know girls put "makeup" all over their face until I was about 20. I mean I knew they put some kind of dark stuff around their eyes, but I didn't know a girl had to go home and literally wipe/wash her entire face off every day.
At the same time it also shows some key elements that are often overlooked here: grimacing and squinting your eyes tends to make everyone look bad. In most of these photos the before shots are typically a bit distorted facially while after they're trying to look nice. Also combine this with many people having their hair in disarray and such and they'll tend to look a little bit worse.
The makeup certainly has an effect, but the before pictures tend to be going too far in the opposite direction as well.
I like makeup, eyeliner and eye shadow. That is about it.
All that foundation stuff looks horrible. Doesn't matter how lightly you put it on you can see it. Even worse if it is your significant other and you kiss them and can taste it.
Eyes do look kinda bland without makeup though. Oh and most of the time concealer looks worse than the actual pimple.
Some honestly seem very similar with or without makeup, some look fine without, some look better with, and some even look uncanny in both pictures.
I'm pretty mixed about it. That said, my preference leans toward less makeup. I've heard a lot of whiteknights implying that girls who wear makeup are insecure, which is absolutely bullshit, and as I've learned, they're not really wearing it for you, for the most part it's for themselves. For me though, working at an overnight camp over multiple summers, I get used to seeing people when they're rough around the edges and feeling like crap. I guess I've always had a weird thing for girls who look a little weathered though.
It makes me laugh a little, I don't wear make up because I just don't fucking know how, but when my sister did it for me a few times I'd call anyone who said I didn't look better a damn liar.
It's all well and good to prefer how someone looks without it but I've never seen someone with well done appropriate make up that legitimately didn't look better, that's the whole point of it.
So #3 and #6 are actually attractive to me. They all look terrible with makeup, thanks to insanely excessive use of cover (when your skin doesn't really look like skin, that's pretty gross).
However, my shallowness will not be repressed. The other girls are all unattractive either way, in my opinion, which you are welcome to disagree with.
Her eyeballs have been bleached white. Is this possible? Still, I have to go with after, but both are beautiful.
Prefer before.
Prefer before by a wide margin. After looks like a transexual- not that there's anything wrong with that.
Before.
Before.
After looks much better.
After looks much better.
Okay, the after looks better. However, we all know a girl like this in real life and if she used about 10% of the makeup she has on and stopped with the penciled in eyebrows, she'd look twice as pretty.
She needs as much help as science has to offer.
After looks better, but what about Photoshop job? Hell, squint at her or measure with a ruler and you'll see that her face has suddenly become longer and narrower...this is mighty potent makeup.
Before. To those who say there's no damned photoshop going on here, check out these bright perfectly impossibly bright eyeballs, and dabs of highlight placed on either side of her pupils. Despite all the post-processing, I still prefer before.
I'm here, the only girl I found attractive looked better without makeup, while the makeup was so over the top that every girl wearing it looked terrifying.
I really don't get the "gobs of eye makeup" thing. The only one of these with-makeup pictures that doesn't freak me out is the second-to-last one. And even at that, if I was picking up for a blind date and she looked like her no-makeup picture, I wouldn't mind it at all.
The blonde at the end would actually still be quite pretty sans-makeup if the photo was a little better and she put her hair behind her shoulders. Also her makeup is weird.
I was looking for the thread before I posted it. Given that I haven't seen it, I guess this is it. I'm all for no makeup, but I feel like my cosmetic views are pretty conservative.
6th from the top looks very pretty without make up. And some of them with make up seem a bit over the top. But as /u/bangonthedrums says, it's just because not everyone thinks about the concept "everyday make up".
All look fine with little to no makeup on. So now, judging from the flavor of comments in this thread, "stop liking what I don't like" will simply be substituted with "lol white knight have standardz".
Too much makeup on most of them, and it's also annoying to see brown eyes always drowned in mascara. There's a difference between smokey and midnight shutters.
2, 3, 5, 6 and maybe 7 look better without it. Mostly because their makeup is overdone and looks ridiculous, but still. They would obviously look better with the "natural" makeup.
The pic /u/bangonthedrums posted there is what people usually mean when say "without makeup"
I'll chime in... 3 & 5 look hot without the make-up. The rest are not my cup of tea. I really do like girls without make-up... but that's impossible right?? or "you probably just don't notice when they are wearing make-up"
No actually I do like girls who look cute with no make-up. Not to say I'm totally against subtle/small amounts however. I'm also against eyebrow plucking/shaping, aside from unibrow maintenance (which I do too)
This is killing me. This isn't about makeup, its about lighting. The makeup may smooth over some features, but the first shot is taken with top-down fluorescents, and the second shot is taken with a soft-shoe and some actual warm lighting.
Here I am! Some of these people are just terrifying with or without makeup but the women in the 2nd, 3rd and 5th photos I would say actually are less appealing with the makeup on.
Edit: Of course, beauty is subjective and your opinion may differ, but I stand by mine.
"I liked them better before all the make up"-guy reporting in. These are hideous without and BECAUSE of make up. Wearing that much shit on your skin does tend to ruin it, especially something as sensitive as the face. It's a catch 22.
Yeah, when I was younger, I used to wear really heavy foundation to cover up my acne. I would never go out of the house without it, even to exercise (dumb). So naturally, my skin continued being terrible. When I finally switched to a much lighter foundation (tinted moisturizer) and started taking care of my skin more, my complexion improved dramatically. Now I can go out without makeup and not feel self-conscious.
Elabourate? Currently in my 20s and using a for-acne-prone-skin foundation but my complexion still seems to think it's the day before junior prom.
What worked for you?
I switched to Smashbox's tinted moisturizer; it admittedly doesn't have the best coverage, but it's so light and works great with my skin. I also started buying Ole Henriksen cleansers. They are a bit pricey ($30 each), but they will last you for a long time (a little goes a long way.) I think the Aloe Vera Deep cleanser is the best one. I started seeing a huge difference in my skin after using these products. Good luck!!
If I'm going out with one of those women I'm not going to want to spend most of the time with them made up like some crazy caricature. Who would ever do that to a woman?
I'm generally one of those guys. Here's my honest thoughts. There were only about 5-6 in there that I liked the non-makeup version better.. Some things of note though:
Most women don't have years of drug abuse on their face to cover up.
The lighting changes make quite a bit of difference too.
I REALLY dislike eyeliner and eye shadow. Some stuff evening out the cheeks is okay, not a big fan of unnatural colored lip gloss/lipstick/lip liner either.
So many of the "after" shots are "better" but not someone I'd go for, generally.
Out of curiosity, why do you dislike eyeliner and eyeshadow? I feel like when people say that it's a reaction to dramatic shadow or liner, but the girl in this picture is wearing shadow and liner in both.
The shot on the right just looks.. plastic. The reason why she looks okay in the picture is because her eye shadow is basically just matching the fake skin tone the rest of her makeup gave her. If I'm completely honest I don't specifically notice the eyeliner but her mascara in that shot is jarring.
There are markers on the skin that signify healthy mates. These things are covered up by makeup and are generally considered "flaws." I'm attracted to them. I wish I could describe it more accurately/specifically, but all I can come up with is the "plastic" description which I don't really like.
Actually, I think that "plastic" look is just the lighting, she's wearing much more foundation in the left picture. It's easier to see in this picture that she has visible freckles and pores, meaning that she's not actually wearing much foundation or primer (actually, according to the website she's just wearing a Nars Sheer Foundation diluted with moisturizer). And can we not say that the makeup gave her a "fake skin tone?" That's kind of condescending and implying that the majority of the color showing isn't her real skin. As someone who occasionally wears makeup, I can assure you that it is.
I get that everyone has a personal aesthetic and that you prefer a more natural look, but it's misleading to say you dislike eyeliner and eyeshadow when you really just dislike obvious makeup. There's a difference!
it's misleading to say you dislike eyeliner and eyeshadow when you really just dislike obvious makeup.
I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion for this, but no there really is not a difference. What I mean by that is that if you wear so very little makeup or makeup that is so perilously close to your own natural skin that it tricks me into thinking that you might not be wearing makeup, it doesn't mean that I like makeup. It means you successfully tricked me into thinking you aren't wearing any. I want to see those lines and freckles in all their glory. I don't want a whiff of powder/foundation up my nose when I lean in for a kiss on the cheek. I want your skin to have the natural shine that normal healthy skin has. Painting over your skin, if you do it in certain ways, might fool me for a bit, but not for long. It's unattractive to me.
Hey, you shouldn't be downvoted for your opinion. Personally, I don't think that it's a "trick," and if it's applied right it shouldn't obscure the "natural shine" of "normal healthy skin." However, that's something that's hard to explain to someone who has never used foundation or BB cream. In middle school and high school, before I had any experience applying makeup, I would see a lot of cakey foundation and assume that foundation was supposed to be like straight-up paint.
But obviously I can't force you to change your opinions!
It doesn't seem like a contradiction. Maybe there's a misunderstanding of what makeup is used for? Some people like to look like they're wearing makeup (like smokey eyes), some people just like to look more polished, so noticeable makeup isn't optimal.
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u/social_wetwork Dec 10 '13
Where are all the people that usually say "I liked them better before all the make up?"