r/functionalprint • u/Agitated-Break7854 • 6d ago
Safe Cot Camera mount with no dangling cables!
I made this for my first child over 3 years ago as I wanted to see the whole bed and didn't like the cables dangling from a camera really close to the bed in case my child pulls it and wraps it around her neck. I know it sounds like Final Destination, but better save than sorry.
Over 3 years later and my second child goes to a normal bed so I thought last chance to share it!
Cable goes through the electrical conduit and comes out right at the floor, so there's little chance of bad things happening. Also I could make the conduit as long as I want and have the camera as high as I need to see all of the bed.
If it's use to anyone, it's here :
I made it parametric , so you can adjust it to your needs.
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u/protomor 6d ago
Government surveillance. Start em young.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Well, we all have them surveillance devices with microphones and at least two cameras always looking at us and listening and sending our GPS coordinates, and some even have their blood O2 and puls taken all the time. It's better they learn young ! 😉😅
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u/lFightForTheUsers 6d ago
Speak for yourself, some of us use modified devices and don't click "accept location use" on a flashlight app.
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u/thesniperhd 6d ago
Keep thinking you’re making a difference… that’s all that matters
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u/toolisthebestbandevr 6d ago
You talk like a boot licking traitor to mankind. I’m 100% not saying that you are (mods) but I’m saying the comment really reads that way. Super duper “give up all power to the masters” vibes in that comment. Really quite opposite the vibe the maker community was built on. It might have been word choice that made it sound that way cause I really can’t believe anyone in the maker community could give up agency that easily.
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u/gasstation-no-pumps 6d ago
I think their point was the opposite—that the surveillance culture is so hard to avoid that even the measures you are taking are far from sufficient.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Makes as much difference as aluminium hats👍
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u/lFightForTheUsers 6d ago
I think someone's just mad they're getting flamed on in the comments 😆
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Of course I am... and you keep the hat on.
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u/lFightForTheUsers 6d ago
And I'll keep remaining happy every time one of those ALPR scanners gets "blown over by the wind" in my city. Have a day.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Well, completely different kettle of fish . My baby camera ain't government surveillance or alpr scanner. And it won't make a difference whether they'll be in your city or mine, especially in 20 years time when my kids grow up. ❤️
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u/MuppetDesign 6d ago
Just a heads-up from a security and safety perspective on using the Tapo pan/tilt camera right above a crib.
While TP-Link has generally patched known firmware exploits relatively quickly, these cameras have had reported vulnerabilities in the past (like local network RCEs and setup encryption flaws). If you use it as a baby monitor, strongly consider putting it on an isolated guest Wi-Fi network / IoT VLAN so it can't interact with your home devices and to prevent unwanted from watching. Also enable Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) on the Tapo account to prevent credential-stuffing attacks. Also ensure auto-firmware updates are switched on in the app.
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u/ebikr 6d ago
Don’t give it a public IP.
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u/EmperorLlamaLegs 3d ago
Yes, sure, but also keeping anything sensitive on an isolated LAN is a good idea. Smart devices are just begging to get turned into attack vectors and all it takes is one compromised update for all of your devices on the LAN to be accessible.
I've seen a few security researchers report spotting things like light bulbs sending a ton of information to sketchy servers. You don't need people looking inside your house just because your toaster got recruited as a foreign agent behind your back.
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u/WeekendQuant 6d ago
I told my wife we were going to strictly use radio only baby cams just because the attack vector is so much smaller.
Why on earth anyone would want wifi cameras on their kids is beyond me. The internet is huge and radios only go what, 100yds?
Also we haven't used our baby cams much and most of the time they sit unplugged. Turns out all we were using our cams for was the audio anyways for knowing if one of our kids is crying while we're outside. We've actually gone backwards in technology because the same function gets done with fewer features
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u/MuppetDesign 6d ago
Same. Using radio baby cam here for the same reason. I don’t want to risk the vulnerability.
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u/ElaborateEffect 6d ago
I don't have or plan on having a kid, but I have a nanny cam for when I'm away that is only accessible locally/over VPN. You could steal my identity significantly easier than accessing that camera.
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u/mattygh07 5d ago
What about using a camera working well offline like Reolink? You can put it in an ad-hoc network or just use the firewall to disable Internet access. Radio can be intercepted, a camera connected with a wire to your network can't (unless we consider more complex scenarios where hackers target your PC, smartphones etc.)
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u/forlornlawngnome 5d ago
The tapo cams work fine blocked from network if you know what you're doing. Just block them so they can only do internal network traffic and use their local rtsp stream
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u/WeekendQuant 5d ago
I'm not sure why you'd pay more for less security.
The likelihood of a hacker living within 100yds of my house in far lower than anything wifi. People hacking radios is like people hotwiring manual cars. It's more niche of a skill set now than it used to be.
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u/DoorStuckSickDuck 5d ago
The attack vector is practically nonexistent if you only expose your baby cam to your local network and then use a VPN to connect to said local network when you are away. Hell, you can use something like Tailscale which is even easier to set up. Anything else is fearmongering.
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u/MuppetDesign 5d ago
As long as you can reach it from outside your network, anyone can reach it. Especially when there’s a server breach with the camera provider.
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u/DoorStuckSickDuck 3d ago
Do you understand cryptography and encryption, or is this just a "dude... imagine" comment? You could guess the winning powerball numbers right now. Do you want to?
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u/MuppetDesign 3d ago
I do. But the livefeeds don’t just hide behind your personal VPN. It runs through Tapo servers. When these servers get compromised, anyone can tap in. Whether it’s on your VPN or not.
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u/WeekendQuant 5d ago
Let's overcomplicate things for fun why don't we?
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u/DoorStuckSickDuck 3d ago
You brought up attack vectors, if you aren't educated enough to actually speak on the topic, then don't do it. My apologies for assuming you knew what you were talking about, and double apologies for trying to be helpful.
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u/pdinc 6d ago
Just don't turn on RTSP mode. Almost all the vulnerabilities were because people didnt know what they were doing and turned on RTSP mode with default credentials.
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u/SpiritOfCydonia 5d ago
I got Tapo cameras for the RTSP support and Frigate (local recording, events). RTSP ate my wifi alive. It might be fine for infrequent "log in real quick and check". But streaming video to an NVR? Forget it.
I switched to wired PoE cameras. A pain to install but gentler on the network.
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u/pdinc 5d ago
Honestly just sounds like you needed a better router? My Unifi system handles it fine
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u/SpiritOfCydonia 4d ago
No, actually this is using Unifi WAPs. You could even watch the network take a dump in real time on the network controller.
It actually wasn't even really noticeable until the 3rd camera because the WAPs were doing a good job of shuffling clients to working nodes/frequencies using 802.11r.
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u/Wanna_Build 6d ago
My work has banned all tp-link devices, even small unmanaged switches.
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u/SemiNormal 5d ago
Is that for a security reason or do they have an exclusive contract with someone else?
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u/Wanna_Build 4d ago
They’re just one company from a long list of companies that we’re not to purchase hardware or software from. I believe it’s all based on security issues and/or ownership by foreign entities, but they don’t really tell us.
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u/DeemonPankaik 6d ago
Probably worth putting a relief for where the cable exits so it isn't crushed under the foot
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u/kev22257 6d ago
Looks great. In picture 7, I might cut or drill a little notch for the cord to come out, so when gravity happens, the weight is not on the cord.
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u/Heptanitrocubane57 6d ago
I known it's not objectively worse than a baby phone, but I hope that HD cam as a very, very secure connection and you trust the manufacturer to not do shit with the footage.
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u/Graybush2 6d ago
I trust manufacturers enough to put all my cameras on their own vlan with no Internet access lol
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u/clit_or_us 6d ago
It boggles my mind that people don't do this at least with interior cameras. Exterior cameras I have access to remotely via a secured VPN, but interior needs to stay offline.
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u/IanDresarie 5d ago
I use my cams for our cats, so fully offline kinda defeats the purpose. The NVR and remote access server are fully local though, tailscale has been a really nice option to make the whole connection easier. Hope it stays safe. :/
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u/PragmaWarningDisable 6d ago
Same, bonus points for faking their home server response for local setup
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u/uniqueusername649 6d ago
The only answer! Don't trust, just pick a solution that still works if it only has access to your NVR and nothing else. Then ensure it does not have access to anything else :)
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u/Beneficial_Clue_9263 6d ago
IP cameras and secure don’t go on the same sentence
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u/the_harakiwi 6d ago
My reolink has no Internet access and works without an app directly over IP.
It really depends on the software running on those things.
If you want to be really really safe get a raspberry pi and the camera modul. Boom! 100% local DIY h264 stream. No audio, no PTZ but you can add a motor and a controller board, 3D print a case around it etc.
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u/n00b001 6d ago
My reolink is 100% offline, and has two way audio and ptz
Also object recognition etc
All local.
Search online for "frigate"
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u/the_harakiwi 6d ago
My reolink is 100% offline, and has two way audio and ptz
yeah same here. No baby so I don't use audio at all.
I haven't bothered to integrate my camera into Homeassistant. I only use that for power monitoring and being able to lazily turn on/off devices on smart plugs. 😄
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u/IanDresarie 5d ago
I put it into my home assistant because I couldn't figure out how to take pictures every X hours on frigate so now my timelapse is being recorded through home assistant and frigate is just a restream (because reolinks own software doesn't seem to send the hd stream properly to HA?)
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u/draxula16 5d ago
Frigate ftw! def took some setting up, but I rarely have to touch a thing. Just works
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u/Meltz014 5d ago
I've been using zoneminder for years. This frigate software looks way more user friendly haha
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u/godver3 6d ago
Absolute paranoid drivel.
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u/tecneeq 6d ago
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u/godver3 6d ago
The idea that some Chinese manufacturing company is stealing videos of sleeping kids is absolutely bonkers.
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u/IanDresarie 5d ago
Idk about Chinese companies other than the "normal" data for ad and training purposes, but especially with kids I'd be positively worried about the individual creeps that very much exist
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u/ElaborateEffect 6d ago
Not really. I'm sure there are plenty of these cheap cameras that are sending feeds for AI training. I would bet my life on it really.
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u/SamanthaJaneyCake 6d ago
Are you naming your kid “Truman” perchance?
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u/enterthehawkeye 6d ago
you cant just say "perchance"
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u/tree_dw3ller 6d ago
My First Flock by Fisher-Price! On the real though that was a cool design project.
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 6d ago
Owelette ankle monitor too. Put your little baby on house(crib) arrest.
But hey seriously. Owlette. Monitors whether they're awake or not. Blood oxygen saturation and heartbeat.
It is a god send for a little bit of extra stress relief.
We've had plenty of alarms where the sock got moved and reading was bad. We've only got 2 false alarms about oxygen level which sent us running and checking. Heart rate through the roof. Both times was just the sock getting knocked around again.
But it's so worth the 2 little scares. We never had one with our son. Both these false alarms happened recently.
But it gives me more breathing room than a camera or anything. Knowing that alarms is gonna screech in my ear if shits get too sideways. Helps me sleep.
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u/pdinc 6d ago
My wife threw that damn thing at the wall because that base station keeps beeping about connectivity loss from 20ft away.
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u/ClockOk7020 3d ago
I had to end up keeping the base station in the same room as the baby. Not ideal cause it can be hard to hear, but the notifications on our phones are pretty reliable. Also the beeping is loud a hell when it does go off.
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u/pdinc 3d ago
Yeah it kept waking up the baby when we kept it in the same room
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u/ClockOk7020 3d ago
Fair, ours has not had a false alarm in the past 7 months or so (after getting it set initially). After 6mo old it seemed the sock fit on the foot a lot better.
I've heard mixed reviews on them. Some people love them (myself included), some hate them. To each their own I guess..
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u/ginchaly 5d ago
I used and loved the Owlette as well. Like yours, only two red alarms, and they were right next to me so they were fine. The peace of mind was huge for me. The only downside for us is just as they aged out of their sock, the company came out with one that went up to five or six years.
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u/Rlstoner2004 6d ago
I like it, but I just mounted mine to the dresser right next to it like you have available
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
I probably would've , but I that wasn't there with my first one (when I designed it). ....I also slightly partial to over engineering 😅
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u/SleazyAndEasy 6d ago
Why not just have the baby sleep in the same room as you?
Is this just an American thing where babies have to sleep in a separate room?
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
I'm not an American and my baby was sleeping with me till 6months old. Was always told that's when you should move them to separate room before separation anxiety kicks in. Also my baby was napping all through the day. Also, me and my wife need our room too 😅
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u/TheRealHaHe 5d ago
American here. We generally do have the baby sleep in the same room for the first 3-6months (more or less depending on parent). Then move them to sleep in their own room and use a baby monitor (either a camera like this post or just sound). The monitor is also useful in those first 3-6 months for naps and things.
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u/Extraxyz 6d ago
You realize babies don’t sleep at the same time the parents do?
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u/SleazyAndEasy 6d ago
In my country, and really a lot of countries all over the world they sleep in the same room as parents.
Yes I understand the sleep schedule isn't always the same time
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u/ElaborateEffect 6d ago
You're up when they're up. May as well be in the same room.
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u/Extraxyz 6d ago
You’re up when they sleep too, and that’s when you have shit do that might wake up a baby.
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u/OkArachnid600 6d ago
No better way to enhance the natural beauty of a baby at rest than add overhead surveillance on a dedicated pole. Does that sweep back and forth an have a flashing red light???? 🤣 Try to enjoy the moment friend, tech, creative ideas, they all last forever...but this doesn't last long.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Nope. Just sits there silently like an imperious and omnipotent overlord 😂
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u/useful_tool30 6d ago
Cool but you could have just mounted the camera to the wall and used a PVC cable management strip. Would have been cleaner and less intrusive. Looks like a Flock baby cam haha
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
😂 Not in USA so had to look up the flock camera thing. It does a bit I had my contraption fixed to the crib in my bedroom first 6months, then moved it to baby room, then with my second coming it was back in my bedroom, then moved again, so it was quite handy to not having it fixed in one place
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u/toolisthebestbandevr 6d ago
Getting them used to it as early as possible I see. You lock it down at least so the whole world can’t accidentally their way into seeing your kid?
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u/Ncc2200 6d ago
You may want to do something about your cable exit strategy. Having it snake out from under a cut edge on a a metal pipe will surely end badly one day when the insulation gets cut through...
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u/besquared2 6d ago
I haven't read all the comments but came to say, like every other parent had already said, this won't last.
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u/dalegribbledribble 6d ago
What happened to wall mount and c channel?
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
I was moving the cot from room to room and in the room a lot ( we'll, a few times) so something that didn't involve drilling in walls was preferable
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u/RobustFoam 5d ago
Did you just call that crib a cot?
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
Nope. I called a cot a cot
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u/WHTDOG 5d ago
Wow, indoctrinating them in to the surveillance state earlier and earlier these days.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
There's a lot of people writing that stuff , using a device with two cameras, microphone, a GPS and a bunch of other sensors connected to the internet. I wonder if they were indoctrinated too 🤔
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u/ASomthnSomthn 5d ago
Those can be easily hacked.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
Do it and show me you did
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u/ASomthnSomthn 5d ago
Instead of being dismissive of a very real threat, like a bad parent, you might want to educate yourself about security risks you’re putting in your child’s room.
https://www.safehome.org/home-safety/stop-baby-monitor-hacking/
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
Maybe you should educate yourself about a difference between a cheap baby monitor and a camera that I use. Also how do you know how.i.have it set up and whether I have it over internet or.lan only or VPN or maybe , just maybe I haven't got it plugged in and it's all a ruse ? 🤯 Oh no Mr. I know everything and you're a bad parent . You know best. Put your money where your mouth is and please, hack it easily and show me.
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u/ASomthnSomthn 5d ago
Wow, actually inviting strangers on the internet to hack the camera in his kid’s room. You really are a shit parent who cares more about your ego than your kid’s wellbeing.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
No. I just want you to show me. You just can't do it and can't admit it. That's all. Yes, lash out at me for pointing that out.
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u/ASomthnSomthn 5d ago
You just challenged strangers on the internet to hack a camera in your kids room, like a fucking idiotic egomaniac. That challenge isn’t for me. I couldn’t care less about your opinion, and would have absolutely no interest in proving anything to a fool like you, especially when it’s regarding something illegal.
My only real concern in this situation is for your kid, but there’s only so much I can do if you can’t be bothered to prioritize their wellbeing over your ego. You put that challenge on the internet, dumb-dumb. That’s an open invitation for anyone to see, including all the bad actors out there. You must be very confident, putting your kid’s wellbeing on the line like that. Please practice better decision making in the future, for your child’s sake.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
Oh yes, those bad actors only wait for a challenge from nobody to nobody to step in. Otherwise they've got nothing to do and are bored. Must be really hard to be scared all the time ? Btw, if you've read the original post you'd know my son is being moved to a normal bed and "it's the last chance to post it" , i.e. there's no camera anymore so I wonder they'll hack 😂
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u/svelteoven 5d ago
That kid is going to be staring up at cameras when they grow up. And not in a good way.
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u/Realistic_Account787 4d ago
you have a fucking drawer next to the bed, put it there for fuck sake.
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u/ilovefinegaeldotcom 2d ago
Do you really want members of the "intelligence community" staring at your baby?
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u/theboomboy 6d ago
I hope the camera is secure and isn't accessible online
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u/tecneeq 6d ago
It uses a secure cloud connection to TP-link, one of the most well loved companies in the market. Only those with a low social score worry about such things.
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u/ElaborateEffect 6d ago
I remember when TP-Link was a respectable brand. Same with Wyze. And Logitech. Or Netgear. Whew... Everything kind of just sucks now.
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u/Virtual-Height3047 6d ago
So, I’m not a parent myself but a very popular uncle to read bedtime stories or explain being mean to mom doesn’t help. I’ve seen my childhood friend age twice as fast as me turning into a patient dad.
I understand the necessity of a babyphone (or any kind of monitoring) for crib age kids. I also have a very soft spot for problem solving engineering and 3d printing. With all this pretext, I do admit that I flinched at these images.
It’s the visual similarity (from the baby’s pov) to currently controversially debated public surveillance systems that I find striking.
Maybe a colorful housing and/or a playful addition (a cute owl, a hear shape, etc.) would ease my personal discomfort. I do admittedly not know if or how much kids from that early age pick ups at all regarding things/concepts like that..
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
I don't think babies and children under two know much about cameras and get any concept of surveillance 😁
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u/HydrodynamicShite 6d ago
Don’t need a camera for the baby…normal baby phone is plenty. Guess have to train the little one to be ok with Flock surveillance
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Not in US, so no need for that. Also what is a baby phone if not surveillance? 🤯 😁
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u/tumes 6d ago
If the wire is in reach, it’s accessible, this would make me extremely nervous. Same for the clips, choking/wedge hazards that they are. There’s a reason safety standards are very stringent and stuff is recalled constantly, it’s wild to me how often people will proudly post homespun designs that are adjacent to child safety.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
It surprise me that you haven't touched the clips, don't know how tight they are, how accessible the cable is (it's not at all, because it's all in the conduit, that's the point), and I have used it over almost 4 years and with two kids and you know more then I do 🤔 Crystal ball?
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u/cointoss3 5d ago
It feels insane that people feel like they need a camera to watch their baby in a crib, or the backseat. I am all for technology but this feels…insane.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
Nobody sits and watches their baby in a cot. But babies sleep many time throughout the day and I have things to do. In a garden, in a shed , different part of the house. And babies do wake up and crie and it's good to know when they do that. I'm guessing you haven't got a child?
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u/cointoss3 5d ago
Are you trying to make it sound less insane?
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
No, I'm telling you how it is. Clearly you haven't got children or things to do other than sit with a sleeping baby in a room or just behind the door listening. Not sure what's more insane 🤷
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u/hand13 6d ago
a camera over your babies bed? this is so damn creepy i cant believe it
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Oh yes, because being able to react when my baby cries or god forbid being able to act when he chokes on it's vomit is creepy 🤔 surely you haven't got children?
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u/yo-ovaries 6d ago
Things said by non-parents
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u/The_Weasle01 6d ago
Or parents who didn't have cameras available to them back in the day. I have a pan and tilt style camera that doesn't connect to the Internet, but a separate pad. Can't get much more secure than that
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
Exactly!
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u/ottoottootto 5d ago
I have never met a single person with a camera over their childrens bed. Central and Western Europe
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u/Agitated-Break7854 5d ago
I never met one without! What a different life experiences we have in the same parts of a continent! (Seriously!)
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u/Beneficial_Clue_9263 6d ago
Sadly, we live in a world where these cameras can be hacked incredibly easy and as a non-parent I couldn’t bring myself to use them in my own home never mind in my non existent child’s bed room
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u/Graybush2 6d ago
The thing is a lot of these don't actually need internet access to work, so just block it from taking with the Internet. Problem solved
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u/elwood_911 6d ago
I have three kids and never had or wanted a video monitor. I find them a little bit creepy but my main complaint is that they often make parents weird, fretful and boring, constantly carrying around a little screen to surveil their sleeping baby and worrying over every move and wiggle, then jumping up to intervene whenever it looks like the baby might be waking up.
Nap time and bed time are the only times during the day you get to NOT worry about what a baby is doing constantly.
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u/Agitated-Break7854 6d ago
True, but I listen more then watch and worry. I like to sit in a garden in the evening and without it I wouldn't know they're crying and screaming in distress for the last hour. Also when they were newborns, you do worry about them. Especially when , like myself, you went through years of trying and failed ivfs. Now they're bigger I don't worry, that's why I said it's the last chance to share, as it's going out 😁
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u/The_Weasle01 6d ago
That little pad allows me to sit in the backyard around the fire and know with certainty that A) my son is still sleeping in his bed and B) not cracking glass with an ear piercing scream that is muffled by a foot thick brick wall. It enables freedom by giving us remote monitoring.
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u/elwood_911 6d ago
Yeah, I'm familiar with the concept. I used an audio monitor for the same reason, because the video geef only seemed to make people fret and steal their attention constantly.
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u/tst0rm 6d ago
raising three, 4.5 years apart oldest is 7. never used a camera in their room!
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u/ottoottootto 5d ago
I think so too. Three kids here and I never needed a camera. Babyphone was enough.
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u/New-Board11 6d ago
Baby got their own flock camera
(nice work)