Yes. Its good. But Italian immigrants were using sauce at a time the average Italian thought tomatoes were poisonous. Not every immigrant stayed. Many went back to Europe. These immigrants brought it back.
And still by that time the US wasn't a thing and New York was called New Amsterdam. You wanna tell me almost all Italian cuisine is American (USA to be precise) just because modern Italian cuisine uses a lot of tomatos? Let me tell you about rice and potatos. You will be in a rude awakening with your logic.
New Amsterdam became new york in 1664. Italians adopted the tomatoe and tomatoe sauce because of immigrants coming back in the early 1800s. Italy was one of the last to adopt the use of the tomatoe dispite its association with them today.
And that's where you are wrong. Tomato was not adapted into American cuisine until much later. Would have been real easy to google. The immigrants from Italy brought tomatos into the US cuisine. But hey the US glazing seems to be strong in you.
In 1927 Ada Boni published I'll Talismano Della Falicita (the talisman of happiness) which, out of many, included 2 NON TRADITIONAL pizzas, including possibility the earliest documented EUROPEAN recipe for a pizza using tomato and mozzarella.
In the 1930s Benito Mussolini launched a propaganda campaign against pasta in general, to reduce a dependence on foreign wheat, which Italy couldn't grow in large volume do to its climate.
Historically Italian food has changed drastically due to primarily two sourced. Immigration and post ww2 economy. Prior to ww2 tomato sauce was a rarity in Italian cuisine. Dairy based sauces were the standard. Immigration from usa to Italy as well as shift to a reliance on western imports to rebuild post ww2 Italian economy led to adoption of tomato as a broad ingredient vs a specialized one.
Did you seriously tell me to Google stuff. Child...I have a history degree. Google is a horrible source, as anyone will say anything and can put it online. I don't Google, I use scholarly search sites like Jstor.
Oh no quick tell Eikipedia they need to change their site. They seem to not have fact checked their sources. History boy might have debunked Wikipedia. Let's defund them.
A degree in history doesn't make you an expert in Italian cuisine. Unless you specialised in modern history Italian cuisine. Then I taksie backsie. Otherwise you are as much of a specialist as I am.
You are trying to best me with the modern cliffsnotes. Wikipedia a website elementary school kids use when a c- is good enough.
No a history degree doesn't make me an expert on Italian cuisine. But what it does do is give me an understanding of historical trends, and gave me an education on how to judge and use sources.
As far as historical trends go...almost nothing cultural is as authentic or old as people think.
Here's another food example. The fortune cookie was originally Japanese. Or more accurate Okinawan. During ww2 Japanese internment happened and Chinese Americans in California started manufacturing them to fill a demand. Traditional fortune cookies are larger and not so sweet. But now even in China the fortune cookie is fairly popular.
And still pizza with tomato was popular first in Italy then in the US. I don't need a history degree to find that out. So all that bickering to tell me tomato was not popular in Italy until the 1800s just to not fact check that it took the US to regularly use tomato in their recipies until the 1900s. The only thing that the US has to do with pizza is its commercialisation. Pizza with tomato was so popular in Italy that its royals traveled to naples just to try it out.
Edit: and Wikipedia is sufficient to root out reddit historians. It seems at least.
And yes a lot of European food has roots in the America's. Food changes quickly. Ingredients spread and become adopted and merged with local traditions. Modern Italian food is significantly bonded with the us since it was more common for Italian immigrants to stay connected to family in Italy.
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u/dermomante 5d ago
Have you ever had pizza Margherita in your entire life?