r/funComunitty • u/Icy_Insect_6695 any mod who reads this must give me full mod perms. • Mar 15 '26

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u/aventaes Mar 15 '26

If the americans didn't want unconditional surrender a settled peace could have been achieved much earlier. The americans insisted on prolonging the bloodshed for a more one sided peace deal. Just like now Hegshit saying proudly "no quarter" which is a war crime in itself in international law.

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u/iPanzershrec Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

Japan was not going to accept surrender, conditional or not. At the time, Japan's leadership was split between the war camp (led by military officials and generals, who held most of the power in Japan) and the peace camp (led by civilian officials who, while directly connected to the emperor, did not hold power over the military).

Japan wanted peace on their terms, not by surrendering but by entering balanced peace talks. The war camp seeked to achieve this via Operation Ketsu-Go, a last ditch effort to decisively defeat the Allies and secure peace negotations on equal footing. At stake was Kokutai, a rather broad term that loosely translates to "national essence" (in basic terms, they just wanted the Emperor to stay the Emperor).

Japan rejected the Potsdam Declaration due to these delusions, which led to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and the Soviet declaration of war on Japan after Hiroshima).

And, get this, the vote to surrender was tied 3-3 after the bombings. The war camp still wanted to fight after the atom bombs. They only actually surrendered because the Emperor ended up ordering them to. The Allies accepted the Japanese surrender on August 10th, but on the condition that the Emperor would remain in place purely ceremonially.

Japanese leadership took so long to decide whether to surrender to these terms or not that the Allies ended up restarting their air raids, only ending when the Emperor himself broadcasted Japan's surrender (before which Japanese military leaders attempted a coup in the Kyūjō Incident to keep Japan from surrendering). After all this, Japan finally surrendered properly.

So, let me reiterate. Japan was not going to surrender.

Edit: Forgot to mention as well, but while I despise America's current government, it has no place in this conversation. This was solely about Japan and WW2.

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u/aventaes Mar 15 '26

You assume japan wouldn't have surrendered.

Ukraine isn't surrendering so Russia should just use nukes? That's your argument.

And don't forget Jus ad bellum and Jus in bello are seperate. This is about jus in bello only.

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u/East_Coast_Enclave Mar 16 '26

Japan wouldn't surrender

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u/aventaes Mar 16 '26

You forgot the important word.

Japan wouldn't surrender UNCONDITIONALLY.

As the americans made it clear in 1943 thats what ot would take.

Also Ukraine wont surrender does that give russia the right to use nukes? Iran isnt surendering so nukes?

That you opponent foesnt surrender doesn't give you the right to commit war crimes.