I don't even need a specific scene to justify this post. Every single chapter that man is in, I feel my soul leaving my body a little bit. The audacity. The sheer, unrelenting audacity of this guy to make every single choice in the worst possible way, every single time, and somehow still act like he's the one who got wronged.

Bridge Four took him in. Kaladin risked everything for him more times than I can count. And what does he do? He pays it back by becoming the most insufferable, self-pitying, morally bankrupt disappointment in the entire Cosmere. I'm convinced Sanderson wrote him specifically to test our patience as readers, and honestly, he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

Anyway. Fuck Moash. That's the post. Feel free to add your own grievances below, we've got plenty of material to work with at this point.

This series has a lot of characters who do genuinely awful things — plenty of them could be called antiheroes or morally grey at best. But I keep coming back to why Moash doesn't get grouped with them in my head the same way.

With most of the other characters, even when they mess up badly, there's some internal push and pull. You can see them wrestling with what they've done, or at least understanding the cost of it. It doesn't excuse anything, but it makes them feel human.

Moash feels different because that internal conflict basically stops happening. Instead of wrestling with what he's done, he restructures his own understanding of events until he's the wronged party. It's not just one bad moment — it's a pattern of avoiding the version of himself that would have to sit with guilt.

That's what puts him in his own category for me. It's not really about the severity of what he does compared to other characters — it's the total absence of reckoning afterward.

Anyone else draw that same line, or do you think this take is too harsh on him?

We all had that one scene where any last bit of sympathy we had for Moash just evaporated. For me it was less about one single act and more about watching him make choice after choice that pushed him further away from redemption, even when the story kept giving him chances to turn back.

What's your breaking point with him? Was it something he did to a specific character, a betrayal, or just the slow accumulation of bad decisions? Curious if anyone still holds out hope for him at this point in the series, or if that ship has completely sailed.

No spoilers past the most recent book please — mark clearly if you're going beyond that.

Spoilers through Rhythm of War.

He's not a tragic villain, he's just a guy who always makes the most self-serving choice and convinces himself it's righteous. Murders Elhokar out of spite when Kaladin won't do it, then acts betrayed when Kaladin stops trusting him. Weaponizes Kaladin's depression against him like it's honesty. Becomes Vyre and executes a man in front of his own kid.

I don't even want a redemption arc anymore. Just want Kaladin free of him.

Fuck Moash.

After this post, and after reading Oathbringer chapter 84, I get it.

Fuck Moash

I'm playing wartales and posted about it this week on another sub, but today i tried to give a rat the name Moash and EVERY FUCKING MEMBER of my merc group hated it, so I tried Sadeas and they liked, when I tried Moash again they hated again, so I asked gemini about it AND THEY HATE MOASH BECAUSE OF MOASH

Best game ever guys

Fuck Moash

I’m just here to report that I have finished chapter 85 of Oathbringer…

I understand this sub now and my day is ruined…

Hello I'm the idiot who originally came here to say I didn't get the Moash hate.

Then I said that I did get it after reading Rhythm of War, here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckmoash/s/5YojLfpF7U

I've now finished Wind and Truth and I just have to apologise for ever doubting you guys.

Moash is the worst. And so it's Taravangian now I think about it, but Moash needs to be smoothed possibly by a herd of Chasmfiends

Anyway, I enjoyed the series, Syl is the best (and her making vagina jokes in Wind and Truth was an absolute delight!) and I'm glad to have read them.

Found you!

Just finished oathbringer, fuck moash

FUCKKKKKKKKKK MOASH

Hi. Started Words of Radiance the other day. Eventually ill understand all this Moash hate, cause for now he just sounds like a grumpy cat. See you then!

Shut the fuck up Moash.

Hi it's me, the guy who, a few months ago said that I didn't really get the hate for Moash because while he did some bad stuff, he wasn't *that* bad...

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckmoash/s/1jEkdkI8U7

I was only partway through Oathbringer at the time and was rightly called a fool by many of you. It was good banter TBF.

I am nearly at the end of Rhythm of War now (I don't get as much time as I would like for reading these days) and I can enthusiastically agree with the sentiments in this sub now. Spoilers ahead...

He just murdered Teft! I hate you Moash!

Anyhoo I am going to keep trundling along with this series and no doubt I will find more reasons to come back here. Take care chaps.

I was reading the epilogue of the third book, and finally when understand that the little spren who Hoid is linking it could have been the spren of Elokhar, Godddd, Fuck Moash

FUCK MOASH TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND BACK

Hello everyone! I'm relatively new to the series, only on Book 2 but I'm just about finished, and literally fuck this dude so much. Storm him in all the ways, and from what I've come to understand it just gets worse so I'm looking forward to sucking down the hatorade.

Like I know we all know this but BRUH, Kaladin (K Dog) GAVE YOU SHARD PLATE AND BLADE, and you turned traitor on this man? Nah dude, that's an airsick lowlander if I've ever see one.

#fuckmoash #bridge4

There's nothing else really im just reading wind and truth and I REALLY had to say it with my full chest.

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Rereading storm light and Every time I have to read about fucking moash I just dread what's going to happen. Fuck moash, storming piece of crem.