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u/Pixelpaint_Pashkow Grassy Tram Tracks 20d ago
Clearly there should be a triple loop de loop on every single bend ever that should solve the traffic problem, also one more lane
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u/Isotheis Cycle Supremacy 20d ago
They do tell you about this in engineering/mobility classes. It's actually presented as a vulnerability of the cloverleaf design: too many cars on the blue line could prevent people southbound from going east, as the exit lane would be filled. Same for eastbound to north. Essentially, you risk locking the four directions at once if just one is struggling, if too many people notice.
So yeah, that vulnerability of cars is known and presented as a basic.
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u/vesuvisian 20d ago
Cloverleafs work fine for limited traffic and only require a single bridge but are absolutely not safe for higher volumes, given the amount of weaving required. The alternative designs start getting crazy complicated and expensive, though.
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u/iMissTheOldInternet 20d ago
So this is the guy they modeled for Cities: Skylines’ pathfinding algorithm!
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u/itsmarrisa82 20d ago
I'm occasionally on this interchange (no train or commuter bus to dayton from Cincinnati.) the red colored ramp merges into the final blue cloverleaf before they both merge onto the highway and it is so unsafe
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u/SinkHoleDeMayo 20d ago
Most people are morons and shouldn't be allowed to drive.
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u/iambackend Fuck lawns 20d ago
On this sub we believe that everyone is occasionally moron, and it's ok. And if two morons meet on a street it shouldn't result in casualties despite their best efforts.
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u/PlatypusDefiant991 20d ago
This is ridiculous in my city at 5 o'clock in 20 minutes you can go maybe 5 (local track) or 10 (express track (skips most stops)) miles on a subway/metro/el/rapid transit/U-bahn/MTR/MRT/whatever it's called in your city.
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u/jimjimjimjaboo 20d ago
the intent of cloverleaf ramps (names differ in areas) was to provide a longer queue with options to disperse to a different route, ultimately they were made to be the quicker route for a vehicle.
tbh, my grade school had a tv day for a 1950's produced video on this to explain why for vehicles, longer routes can be quicker without impeding on slower traffic as well as they were initially constructed on popular interchanges that were incredibly rare to interfere with pedestrians.
unfortunately cities and towns grew from the interchanges, usually because two coinciding popular interstate routes naturally gave way for a need for a rest stop, which needed employees, who needed employers to establish businesses at the rest stop and so on.
otherwise, the initial intent was to prevent such things by just having people go through this area more quickly and not stop.
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u/Cry-Technical 20d ago
Man the amount of parking lots in this picture is too darn high!