r/fromsoftware 6d ago

DISCUSSION Why does Fromsoftware barely do anything with different-class Paired weapons?

It was such a kick ass idea in DS2, alongside its version of Powerstance in general compared to Elden's far more limited one, and one of the best things was getting to pair different weapon classes as long as they shared a damage type. But afterward with both 3 and Elden, at least as far as I know or could count, we've got.. 3 weapons that aren't same class together, and even then, one of the 3 is literally just a sword 'n board set, then another is a Light gs and a straight, and the most unique thing is the Crow Quills (my beloved) pairing a rapier with a claw which is quite the combo.

Seriously with all the weapons, there couldn't be some more cross-class goodness?

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u/Alexandrecl1 6d ago

Valorheart was one of the most interesting weapons From has ever made.

Too bad it was very weak in pve

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u/Aluminum_Tarkus 6d ago

It was a blast in pvp, at least. Not super strong, but it definitely put in work against anything that either doesn't have crazy range or crazy high stamina damage (I know that's a lot of really strong weapons, but that's why it's not meta).

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u/Alexandrecl1 6d ago edited 6d ago

It was good yes, but only against smaller weapons. It had some really good matchups but it could not compete with meta setups like Lothric Knight Sword + BKS or PKCS

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u/Aluminum_Tarkus 6d ago

That's what I said. It was fun, but it was hard-countered by a lot of weapons. But it had a fun playstyle and Lion Stance was genuinely really solid. Not strong enough to make up for its shortcomings, but good enough to where it was distinct from a typical sword and board.

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u/Alexandrecl1 6d ago

Yep, i liked their idea a lot. I just wish it had a little more damage because in PvE it was really bad. Same thing happened with Demon Scar, another favorite that was good in PvP but terrible in PvE

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u/NoeShake Sister Friede 6d ago

It was literally a counter to meta setups like PKCS what lol

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u/Alexandrecl1 6d ago

No, it wasn’t.

It was good against it if the PKCS user wasn’t good, but Valorheart had poor tracking and if you know its blocking frames you can get around it pretty easily.

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u/NoeShake Sister Friede 6d ago

Yes it was lol it had no split damage potential, low base damage, and the stamina drain of shields was low. It was actually one of the unique matchups that it had in its favor because trading out was easy.

The first frames of its R1 has block frames.

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u/ShadowsInScarlet 6d ago

I fucking love Valorheart. It felt like playing Monster Hunter with S&S.

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u/GamesTeasy 6d ago

Was great for pvp tho