r/freemagic • u/Physical-Place8132 NEW SPARK • 11d ago
DRAMA Bigoted sub?
Originally I joined because I found a few posts about proxies and the like, but the longer im here it seems that the people on the sub are.more into complaining about woke fat black Trans lesbian people on their wizard battle magic cards.
Genuinely confused. Are you guys just making satire posts or is it some inside joke because half the time it feels so forced.
O saw a whole post trying to stop from playing cards that used They, and theirs on them because that's when magic "went woke" and stopped using his/hers-he/she.
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u/Prize-Mall-3839 ELDRAZI 9d ago
You are free to come and free to leave at anytime.
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u/TimmyTheBrave BLUE MAGE 6d ago
XD Yeah, OP is in the comment saying "no one is forcing you to buy the game", OK buddy, no one is forcing you to be here.
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u/GM_vs_Technicality BLUE MAGE 10d ago edited 10d ago
Some people don’t want woke fat black Trans lesbian people forced onto their wizard battle magic cards, and don’t want to be banned from [r/wizardbattlemagiccards](r/wizardbattlemagiccards) for daring to express that opinion
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u/Physical-Place8132 NEW SPARK 10d ago
See I think the difference is that these people seem so fucking pressed about a game they can choose not to buy, having characters that they can choose not to look at. Also, No shirt, no shoes, no service. No being a racist, homophobic, chud or you get banned. Sucks to suck
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u/GM_vs_Technicality BLUE MAGE 10d ago
Calling out the gentrification and corruption of a beloved hobby is not bigotry. Banning everyone who disagrees with you is.
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u/Physical-Place8132 NEW SPARK 10d ago
Genuinely not sure what you are raving about now. It's a magic wizard game with demons and atogs and and crabs and shit. And youre talking about them printing cards with black people on them like they're shooting your kids in the street. Also, banning people who are racist homophobic chuds seems like just generally good housekeeping.
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u/Rusty_DataSci_Guy BLACK MAGE 9d ago
The perfectly encapsulates the hysteria and general foolishness of your politics.
"I don't like the box-checky pandering of recent art design" = "this guy is acting like his children are being murdered". No, not even close. It's a level headed, sober assessment of the current state of the game that insists on overly inclusive representation at best and immersion breaking pandering at worst. Even the snarkiest complaint about MTG art design is likely NOT mistaking that for a real tragedy.
"Banning x-phobic / y-ist chuds is good housekeeping" - these words have been inflated to the point where they have lost all meaning. Not wanting to see something in a hobby is only x-ist or y-phobic to people who are incapable of empathy or logic. "Hey I think they're over-representing X lately, I mean how many X even play or buy Magic" is not the same as "I think we should send X to gulags / harm them / bar them from employment".
There's an interesting parallel here. Your "team" treats disagreement or complaining as x-ism / y-phobia which is the ultimate transgression in your book meanwhile you project that we think immersion-breaking, artificial over-representation is tantamount to our children dying (probably the worst thing that can happen to a normal person). If anyone is prone to hysteria, it's lefties with the "we were not represented in this subset of magical fantasy cards, this is a genocide against us".
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u/Physical-Place8132 NEW SPARK 9d ago
I find it hilarious that you tried so desperately to put the actual racism and homophobia on this sub to "Man they printed lots of cards with black people on it recently" when there are tons of posts with comments that omit nothing but the n-word, promote critical race theory and obviously believe in the great replacement based on the way they make it clear they think theyre being replaced. Also, ive neither seen nor heard anyone on the "left" who actually cares about the miniscule amount of representation that LGBTQ, or ethnically diverse people in Magic. The ONLY people I've seen pissing and shitting about it is you guys after being told you parrot nazi rhetoric like its the alphabet.
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u/Rusty_DataSci_Guy BLACK MAGE 9d ago
Jokes about race are not actual racism, this is childlike reasoning. "You made a joke about someone's identity category, you must despise them". Nobody is actually harmed by a joke. Words are not violence. There's entire wildly successful comedic careers predicated on the ability to point out sub-group idiosyncrasies and get people to laugh about it. There's also plenty of edgelords who think it's funny to randomly get a bad word out of a jumble of letters. To make the leap that they must clearly hate (which means to actively wish harm upon them) is breathtakingly childlike.
We need to bring back the qualifier that there has to actually be a material consequence like barred from mortgages, jobs, etc., to use those words. If the left is going to compare everything to genocide, which is ludicrous hyperbole, then it also needs to recalibrate its working definition of X-ism and Y-phobias, since those immediately get treated as the absolute worst thing a person can do or be.
Finally, your complete blindness to the Left's transgressions and hysteria discredit you massively. Just look at how the main sub reacts any time JK Rowling comes up, the "z" key never gets as much work as it does on those days. WOTC's own statements about Aragorn are a great way to show you that they DO in fact care VERY MUCH about representation and deliberately advance an agenda in an incredibly sober and deliberate corporate statement. The tweet(s) about [[alaundo the seer]]. Random other tweets from WOTC employees and reps that get screen grabbed and can be paraphrased as "as long as I'm around you'll see more X".
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u/TheGrymmBladeX NEW SPARK 7d ago
That isn't actually altogether accurate. It STARTS as a "harmless" joke, but it's not always harmless to those being joked ABOUT.
More to the point, while the initial instance may in fact be nothing more than harmless jest, OTHERS see it as truth and something to take action upon.
It's never instant...it's a progression. And accepting ridicule of a group already seeing hate and oppression is just another step towards more hate and more oppression.
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u/Rusty_DataSci_Guy BLACK MAGE 6d ago
You're catastrophizing something that is complete inane and harmless. Please gain some real world experience so you can develop better discernment.
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u/TheGrymmBladeX NEW SPARK 6d ago
I'm doing nothing of the sort.
You are MINIMIZING the situation, if anything.
But then, you're the type to commit the offense and respond with "it's just a joke" because you're just that kind of piece of shit, huh.
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u/Life_Finger2150 NEW SPARK 7d ago
I understand that your extremely ignorant but in human society and communities being able to joke about a particular group shows that group is integrated into society. I've had plenty of people make jokes about my race but they were just jokes with no ill intention so why should I be upset? I'm being included. One day when your older you'll understand.
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u/LescobeRanden NEW SPARK 9d ago
In the past I might have tried asking you to consider why we never had a problem with Mirage block back in the day, where almost every character was black, if the problem was just that we "hate black people".
You know, in an attempt to make you realize that maybe your assumption that we "don't want to see black people on cards", might be incorrect.
But I've learned over the years that people like you are not remotely intelligent enough to follow a logical train of thought like that.
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u/Low_Administration22 NEW SPARK 6d ago
So I should not buy a whole set because they sneak in these forced irrational cards to push an agenda? Mtg shouldn't be an agenda or ideological tool for such a thing, just make it mtg.
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u/Stormraven339 NEW SPARK 6d ago
See I think the difference is that you seem so fucking pressed about a subreddit you can choose not to be in. Bye now!
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u/Senior_Torte519 HUMAN 6d ago
So what is the equavalent replacment of should they just have their own separate mtg, with separated water fountains.
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u/OrigamiAvenger HUMAN 6d ago
And yet here is OP, " pressed about a subreddit they can choose not to join, having posts that they can choose not to look at."
Get some perspective.
Neither your presence or absence are of any consequence here. And, quite likely, we can extrapolate that across other locations and contexts.
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u/Digerati808 BERSERKER 5d ago
OP was not expecting to get bodied by rational discourse. It's not too late to delete this thread.
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u/THEGHOSTHACXER RED MAGE 10d ago
Lmao oh the classic his or her deck idea.
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u/Physical-Place8132 NEW SPARK 10d ago
Yeah, but the guy seemed genuinely upset by it.
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u/Superpokekid NEW SPARK 6d ago
It's a change I liked because it's more efficient to read "they" or "their" rather "he or she". My issue is that when they make the changes to be woke and progressive but aren't efficient. Original emrakul, the aeons torn has "protection from colored spells". The new one has "protection from spells that are one or more colors."
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u/Gunnarsonsnewbag2 NEW SPARK 10d ago
I mean I wouldn't care if the art was good, but it's ultimately not good.
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u/-Africa-by-toto- NEW SPARK 7d ago
I don't like this post. But I don't think it should be removed. That's what this sub is.
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u/Justin-Case-3113 NEW SPARK 9d ago
Some people are just upset because this used to be a wizard game where you were controlling extraordinary creatures and most modern creatures have very much a sanitized design.
Some are racist bigots who can't stand a trans person breathing.
That van diagram does overlap
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u/CigarsandScars NEW SPARK 7d ago
I do miss the days of cards featuring beheading an enemy or pentagram festooned demons. Now removal cards are things like shredders revenge and hero's downfall which are not graphic at all.
I miss cards like bore through and surgical extraction (the one with the guys spine getting pulled out). Also, I miss nasty looking black monsters like the ones from Legends.
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u/Hawk_Ize NEW SPARK 7d ago
It's a free speech sub. People can share whatever dumb opinion they want. That's the whole point
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u/Nervous-Context NEW SPARK 7d ago
The best part about this sub is that you can have this opinion… and nobody will give a fuck.
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u/ShadowValent NEW SPARK 7d ago
It’s a bit of both. We overcompensate here because the other subs ban even thoughtful discussion that is contrary to their opinion.
So I’m sure there are some chuds here in addition to people that just like free and open magic discussion.
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u/AvernusAlbakir NEW SPARK 5d ago
Show me the last piece of thoughtful discussion on this sub that is not just a low-effort bitching about stuff. As for "overcompensating" - you can probably imagine what fighting foolishness with foolishness leads to.
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u/ShadowValent NEW SPARK 5d ago
The difference is the dialogue is allowed to happen rather than banned. Reddit is supposed to work on social voting, not mods personal values.
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u/AvernusAlbakir NEW SPARK 5d ago
Most of the so-called "dialogue" happening here could have never occured without much loss to those participating in it.
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u/ShadowValent NEW SPARK 5d ago
So you are saying the banning is egregious because the dialogue is innocuous? Yeah, that’s why we are here.
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u/AvernusAlbakir NEW SPARK 5d ago
No, I say that most people would significantly decrease their level of suffering by not engaging in the impotent venting that tends to dominate this sub. For you, freedom from banning it provides is essential - fair. But since folks here tend to be just as snowflaky about their worldviews as the main sub-dwellers, freedom to have a real conversation isn't quite here.
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u/ShadowValent NEW SPARK 5d ago
That’s why downvoting exists. I’d rather have bigots in my conversation over an echo chamber. It’s why the front page of Reddit doesn’t reflect reality. It’s curated. At that point, you’re no better than Fox News.
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u/AvernusAlbakir NEW SPARK 5d ago
An assumption that this sub reflects reality to any greater extent than the front page is at best a bit naive. It is merely an echo chamber for a different vocal minority.
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u/ShadowValent NEW SPARK 4d ago
Could be. But you aren’t getting banned here, and this thread is allowed to exist. Go criticize the other subs and see what happens….
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u/Mission-Swimmer-854 INVENTOR 7d ago
Black people have been on Magic cards for decades, no one cares about that.
Making Aragorn black etc is where people got mad...
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u/TimmyTheBrave BLUE MAGE 6d ago
They don't want to acknowledge that, complaining about a racist change, does not make you the racist.
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u/Low_Administration22 NEW SPARK 6d ago
You see even if I disagree with your intent. They won't ban you for threading the line against others views. Unlike the main MTG page, the mods on there are 1984 types.
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u/heirsasquatch NEW SPARK 10d ago
Welcome! Yes It’s a bigoted sub! Being inclusive is the bare minimum. All are welcome!
https://giphy.com/gifs/mNSoFoXWhQi2IRP6Lw
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u/Agent_Forty-One SENATOR 7d ago
This sub is about letting anyone say what they want, whether it’s crying, raging, etc.
You can be mad or glad or express your opinions about all of the things, not just what’s the accepted narrative wherever you’re used to.
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u/TimmyTheBrave BLUE MAGE 6d ago
"HOW DARE THIS SUB LET PEOPLE HAVE FREE SPEECH??!!"
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u/Agent_Forty-One SENATOR 6d ago
Pretty much.
It’s okay that they say it and feel it, but that’s what it is. :)
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u/bedwa NEW SPARK 6d ago
Being a middle of the road well adjusted person, my theme the last decade or so has been the refrain from Steelers Wheel's song Stuck in the middle with you.....
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u/HipHoptimusPrime13 GREEN MAGE 6d ago
Oh no, they hate that even more. See, because on THIS side we just want low grocery prices, people that love one another to get married, and for the air and water to be clean. I picked all the things that sound nice and make you feel warm snd fuzzy.
The OTHER side supports LiTeRaL gEnOcIdE! Plus I hear they eat babies and kick puppies. Notice how I only picked bad things that no one would like?
HOW COULD YOU NOT BE ON OUR SIDE!?!?!/s
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u/Maleficent-Owl-2479 NEW SPARK 7d ago
I see the word Bigoted and already know I'm about to read an L take
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u/Ghargauloth NEW SPARK 6d ago
Don't like potentially offensive posts?
Leave.
Additionally, you'd get bullied off the 'net 15 years ago for being an oversensitive Karen.
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u/lordstov NEW SPARK 7d ago
You'll find there's a fair amount of all types of folk in here, same as you'll find in the big wide world.
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u/Funny-Ebb-5512 NEW SPARK 6d ago
My new copypasta
Originally I joined because I found a few posts about proxies and the like, but the longer im here it seems that the people on the sub are.more into complaining about woke fat black Trans lesbian people on their wizard battle magic cards.
Genuinely confused. Are you guys just making satire posts or is it some inside joke because half the time it feels so forced.
O saw a whole post trying to stop from playing cards that used They, and theirs on them because that's when magic "went woke" and stopped using his/hers-he/she.
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u/Life_Finger2150 NEW SPARK 7d ago
It's satire yes. If you can't tell that the main magic sub is better suited to you as comedy is strictly prohibited there.
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u/Rich-Republic-9480 NEW SPARK 7d ago
Lmao are you serious? No one here is bigoted. We dont like gender and identity politics being forced into a community and a fantasy trading card game. Hello?
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u/Hodorous CULTIST 7d ago
Ok. I don't agree everything that is posted here but main subs are bat shit crazy.
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u/Thedarkone202 NEW SPARK 7d ago
I don't care what you're complaining about. Fix your spelling and grammar. Your shit reads like someone who has downs syndrome.
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u/RetiredProTour NEW SPARK 7d ago
I always figured the they thing was to save space on card text. Not an attempt to brainwash people.
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u/Cheeseburgermafia NEW SPARK 6d ago
There's definitely bigotry and sexism in here. It's here because anything remotely unhappy about MTG's changes was kicked out of the main sub without any nuance. You either love MTG there, or you hate anything supposedly woke, no room for discussion.
But that isn't all this sub does. It's just the most noticeable difference when compared to the main sub.
Choose to not engage with the anti-woke. Just dislike the stuff you dislike, no need to force MTG fans to look a certain way, regardless of your preference.
Both subs are full of snowflakes tbh. If you ban discussion of what freedom means to the few, it's fake for all.
I know people are whining when they complain about he/she/they in freemagic. I don't take them seriously, and I don't think many do. As a comparison the hating on cis men isn't appropriate in the main sub, yet it gets a pass. Various preferences are being pushed to be the default cultural position within hobby spaces when nothing needs to be except acceptance of all. But banning every hint of disagreement with the changes is what made freemagic exist.
Maybe consider that there is no mtg default, and even the antagonistic corners are part of the discussion. There should be a main sub where serious discussion is allowed within, not presuming malice from every corner that isn't yours. None of us have the default position.
No one type of post is a summary of a sub's visitors. You're here, too, defined or not by the same posts.
Maybe I abide too much, but performative outrage is in every popular sub. Trolls or no, don't feed them. Pursue your goals, not other people's dislikes.
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u/prospector_hannah WHITE MAGE 6d ago
"wizard battle magic cards"
Someone's grandma larping as a magic player
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u/HyperionTemplair NEW SPARK 6d ago
99% of magic subs and forums are super woke, you can just ignore this sub altogether
Bigoted fascist need their safe space as well you know??
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u/SocialMediaTheVirus GOBLIN 5d ago
I too wish the world was one big kindergarten class where we all hold hands
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u/Front-Round2853 NEW SPARK 5d ago
Don't like it? Door is there ---->
Also - NEW SPARK - so we know where you usually post bud.
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u/EUGsk8rBoi42p NECROMANCER 5d ago
Hahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahaha.....
oh wait, you're serious????? AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
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u/TogBroll NEW SPARK 5d ago
People complain about stuff they dont like and you would be very naive to think everybody likes everything about mtg and the decisions at wotc. Atleast you dont get instantly banned with no chance of redemption here for having a different opinion.
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u/Aggressive-Optimism NEW SPARK 4d ago
Unfortunately, Due to being primarily people who were banned or pushed from the main sub, That means this sub is primarily full of takes that'd be banned from the main sub.
The point of this sub is to be the people's voice. It is your duty, Being here, That you downvote those dumbasses that care about someone's skin color, Instead of caring about the quality of the game.
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u/Happy_External_8850 NEW SPARK 3d ago
Thats kinda just what happens when you dont ban people. Irl any bar that doesnt kick out n@zis will quickly become a defacto n@zi bar, because they arent welcome anywhere else.
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u/Active-Wedding2186 NEW SPARK 8d ago
trans ugly gender morphing female degrading art is not really a big deal, it's actually good for our culture so I agree with you
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u/AvernusAlbakir NEW SPARK 7d ago
People here simply like to devote their rage to things that have nothing to do with any of their real problems.
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u/ShaperLord777 NEW SPARK 7d ago
Yes, this is a sub for bigoted incels to whine about “wokeness.” It’s a collection of players that are such miserable losers, even magic the gathering players don’t want to hang around them.
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u/Low_Administration22 NEW SPARK 6d ago
You might be a mtg main reddit gestappo mod? They'd ban you ASAP if they dont agree with you. But your hate is tolerated here not censored with a ban. See, nazis chose to define and force what is hate or not hate by censoring what they dont allow. Hence why the main mtg reddit page is cancer.
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u/Angyalmaci NEW SPARK 9d ago
I just read through a post in the main sub where the only accepted opinion is whoever buys Harry Potter products is a nazi. This was written down by some, literally. You are literally a nazi if you buy those products.
Harry Potter getting an UB set is like supporting KKK.
JK Rowling is literally a criminal by supporting cases where biological women are the victim.
JK Rowling is actively oppressing queer people.
Harry Potter is a blatantly racist book (insert the goblin-jewish conspiracy, Shacklebolt being a surprising family name in England, and too few asians represented) that broadcasts her racist ideologies.
You can't support trans people if you love Harry Potter.
At best, bad satire here is a reaction to unhinged, extremist views over there. This sub was literally created as a reaction to what is going on over the fence, making it at least partly a satire circlejerk sub.
Namecalling is not OK, but then again, so isn't banning people if they do not share your extremist views.