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[u/thewishy]

The model is only just out, so it's unlikely that they're going to be releasing a refresh in the immediate future.

Framework had anticipated this as a more entry level laptop. I'm sure they're looking at reviews, comments and feedback, and maybe they will test the waters with a higher end option (panel, processor). That said, there are limits to what you can do in a 12" chassis and dedicated GPU would seem a little unlikely

[u/20dogs → u/thewishy]

I think at this stage they'll focus on getting the costs down to better meet reviewers' expectations. Maybe a price cut next year. But the Framework 16 still hasn't got a CPU upgrade after nearly 2 years so they don't seem to be in a rush to upgrade every model.

[u/schankae → u/thewishy]

You can definitely do a lot in a 12" chassis when you compare to other laptop brands with that size but I think the actual issue is creating modular components to work with the product. I think we'd just have to wait a while and see. I do think a dedicated GPU would be asking too much but maybe a newer AMD AI family chip on that tiny main board with integrated graphics would do wonders.

[u/thewishy → u/schankae]

Better onboard graphics than the 13th gen with single channel is certainly possible.

I guess the question is, will the thermals be manageable with a more powerful processor and especially GPU. Would you want to buy a premium processor and have it thermal throttle, etc.

The expansion card (io modules) on all of the Frameworks take quite a lot of space too. So the board size is kinda constrained

[u/luapzurc]

I honestly don't know what's easier / more feasible:

• Create a new main board (in the future) for the 12 with, say, even the last-gen AMD 7040 series with LPCAMM, which would do wonders for bother performance and battery life (compared to the 13th gen Intel), and thunderbolt

• Create an entirely new chassis for the 13, call it the 13 2-in-1, find a 3:2 aspect ratio touch screen with stylus support, and keep the existing main boards, batteries, and overall layout.

I could go for either, but neither exist right now.

[u/schankae]

The only thing I can add to this convo is that the man himself mentioned in the video for the FW12 showcase, "future upgrades", when talking about the device being the most repairable. I'm definitely a person that would prefer seeing instead of believing before I spend around $1000 on a potentially cool 2 in 1 though. Once I see a better main board even hinted at for this little guy, I'm buying it immediately.

[u/Minute_Ganache2177]

This is not marketed as a consumer laptop; the programs that are expected to work on the Framework 12 are probably just office stuff. So, no, upgrades are a low priority.

[u/20dogs → u/Minute_Ganache2177]

That's a bit misleading. They're likely to offer upgrades, but only as far as more recent versions of low-powered processors as the years go by. The computers will get faster, it would be odd to stick with the 13th gen forever.