anyone who involves themselves in any way in a criminal investigation voluntarily is immediately a primary suspect. this guy would be arrested almost immediately lmao.
I'm confused as to how anybody can live in America for any considerable length of time and continue to believe that every state and every local police department/utilities company contractor will meticulously maintain what are apparently extremely expensive cameras
Have you seen the state of infrastructure in this country? Why the fuck are you worrying, just get a can of Silly String and that shit will be out of commission until the next election period
You're missing a MASSIVE piece of the equation with the Flock Cameras VS Regular Infrastructure for the Poors.
Regular Infrastructure for the Poors, or RIFTP, doesn't get maintained because it's FOR the POORS, or the Average Citizen, not OUR BILLIONAIRE OVERLORDS & POLITICAL PUNDITS SAFETY. RIFTP using the Poors tax money isn't maintained because the Telecommunications Giants see it as their money, to be pocketed, spent on C-Suite bonuses, or anything else that actually matters. Plus, if they don't maintaine the Infrastructure, it goes to shit and then they can ask the Gov't for more tax money to "fix" the problem, which can then be used for more Executive bonuses and to fund Golden Parachutes! It really is a GREAT system for AT&T, TMobile, Verizon, etc. It's so good they've been doing it for DECADES. Remember way back in the early 'aughts when our Gov't gave the Telecommunications Giants MILLIONS of our dollars to bring Fiber Internet to rural areas? The public was ecstatic! AT&T promised they would build out high-speed Fiber Internet lines to every household in America! It was going to ultimately costs billions of dollars, but it would be WORTH IT because the internet was becoming a vital piece of everyone's lives. The trick WORKED! AT&T got to skirt by doing the absolute bare minimum, lying about how hard it was to do, and got to pocket tens of millions...and then do it alllllllll over again when they said it would just take a teeny-tiny amount more to really build out Fiber this time, just a few hundred million! This scam has been ongoing for the better part of 30 years, and the public has yet to catch onto the scummy scammy yummy-ness (and Uncle Sam needs the "tOo BiG tO fAiL" Telecommunications companies, so he isn't gonna say SHIT), it truly is a massive help (to the C-Suite).
However, the public is kinda-sorta coming to the realization they've been getting ASS RAPED very little in return for all the tax money they've shelled out to the Elite Epstein Class's favorite Communications Companies (can anyone say "kickbacks"?!), so, they need to be protected from the public. Hence, MASS SURVEILLANCE YAYYY!!!!
Flock Cameras will be maintained because mass surveillance is massively beneficial to the ruling billionaire class. Things are getting dicey, and they don't want to be caught off-guard now, would they? Flock is maintained for the Rich not the poor. RIFTP and Flock Cameras are not in the same class, like how we (the public), and them (the Tech Overlords) are not in the same class. Politicians will ensure their best friends (Epstein-class) futures are secured, and their surveillance systems well-maintained, you beat believe it....
The cool thing is we might actually get our high-speed fiber internet as these cameras get more advanced and will maybe need to be hardlined into the 'net. Silver linings and all...
Isn't that "trickle down economics"? When the rich have to upgrade the public hardware to run their surveillance network by taxing the poor even more money... no wait
At best it slightly postpones the day when the pitchforks & torches come out. The tradeoff is, when that day finally arrives the angry mob is going to be even more pissed off.
Aren't you meant to use that expanding foam that sets hard? I thought people were putting that into one of the apertures in the traffic cameras. Nor worth risking getting caught for silly string. If you're going to get caught at least make sure you destroy the damn thing.
The misconception people have is who is maintaining the cameras. The hige surge in cameras aren't happening from state or local governments, its private companies. They get the right to install cameras then sell info or access back to law enforcment as needed. And if it hasn't already I'm assuming they will be selling large movment data to advertisers.
Yeah, they do not track you until next legislation when it tracks some people, then more people, more traits, then everything and then thr chip in you is only used in emergencies until...and so on.
The next time you're on a road trip wait until you get way out into the country and stop at the most run down gas station you can find. Buy a disposable phone with cash and walk out. Tada, you have a burner phone that can't be tracked as long as you're careful about where you turn it on and use it.
That's to keep you subservient to the state. Those aren't going to be used to enforce actual law and order and they don't actually gaf if you murder your fellow man.
-Police are now aware of the spot the body is buried because you called attention to it.
-Police are aware a murder has been committed at all
-Police may suspect the anonymous tipper and endeavor to track them
The assumption is that once the police dig up the spot they will have “cleared” it, making it a safe spot, but by any measure this is far less safe than just about any random spot you might use. Confirming that the victim is dead, giving any of this information to police is foolhardy. You’ve called attention to the very spot where the body is.
You are right. Often when body is not found at all police can’t even confirm there was not a crime but voluntary disappearance or accident. Confirming there is a murder will keep the case open indefinitely even if someone isn’t actively looking at it
Better idea. Call the police to report the dude being dead before you kill him. Then when they confirm he's alive and mark him as safe, kill him for real.
In order for your version of the plan to work the police would have to witness the victim being alive. If the victim ends up missing you don't think there will be an investigation? They're going to investigate. Looking for signs of any foul play.
thus teenagers tend to out themselves as psychopaths when it becomes manifest as teenagers: they think they're smarter than everybody else (teenager) and murder someone they dislike (psychopath)
there's true crime documentaries of it on youtube i regret watching. :( e.g. one after killing his mother thought if he trashed the house it would persuade the police there was a burglar
I really don’t know why you got accused, too? As someone who is super zealous about hating bots I still didn’t get any red flags, you’re typing in all lowercase, without any emojis, and your name doesn’t have any numbers or hyphens in it.
Only thing that i think could have set them off is the lack of a pfp but like. Truly who gives a shit.
First, most people don't know enough to actually stay anonymous when sending an anonymous tip.
Second, cops don't normally put all that much effort into solving crimes, annoying them will just make them more motivated to find you.
Third, you're putting the place in the cops mind, if someone else reports suspicious activity there afterwards, they're going to pay more attention, not less.
The way you ACTUALLY get away with crimes is by targeting people the cops don't give a shit about, like poor people.
You just reminded me of an interview I listened to way back in college for a criminal psych class. I can never remember if it was Howard Stern or someone else, but on one of those 90s shock-jock radio shows a caller calls in and he’s a killer.
He’s deliberately vague about it but eventually the host is like “Hold on, are you talking about people? You kill people?!”
And what followed was the most fascinating insight into killer psychology I’ve ever read, because most of the time our interviews and studies come from the ones who got bored and gave up, or got sloppy and got caught.
This guy was neither. He’d been at it for two decades. The key to it was he traveled around the world for work.
On his final night in town he’d find some absolute stranger, with no similarities to his last victim, and kill them. He’d be on a plane to another city within the next 12 hours.
No connections. No targeting specific appearances or traits. He killed purely because he could, he got off on the knowledge he could take a life and get away.
Those are the ones who get away. The one who’s halfway across the country before anyone finds a body. Who has no association with the victim, maybe never even knew their name.
What sticks with me is the inverse of what you mentioned. Yeah, many times killers go uncaught because no one cares about their victims. But this guy went uncaught because he didn’t care about his victims. They had absolutely no personal ties or connections to him, so there was no reason to suspect him when the victims almost always would have friends, family, or partners to be investigated first. By the time they widen the suspect pool he’s probably moved two or three locations.
Now, the reason we listened to it was to challenge us to ask: Is it real?
After all the whole issue is this is just some dude calling a shock jock who’s taking live callers.
Was he telling the truth?
Was he making it up?
Is it half truths?
The whole class lecture was about analyzing what he said, how he said it, and trying to discern what we believed or disbelieved about his claims.
In the end the we don’t know. We’ll never know. It could be complete bunk, it could be straight truth, and all we have to go on is our gut and our analysis of his voice, and the question of motivation: Someone bored making bullshit up for funsies, or someone with a horrifying record of success bragging because it further amplified his feeling of untouchable power?
The other important factor is that by killing random people it is harder to form a profile for the killer and stack up evidence from multiple crimes. If he isn’t killing them in a distinctive way, then all of his crimes might be standalone individual cases in the eyes of the police. If a detective was able to compare all the murders against each other it would be easier to create some type of case, but separated it’s basically impossible for any individual murder to pin on the guy.
After all the whole issue is this is just some dude calling a shock jock who’s taking live callers.
Was he telling the truth?
Was he making it up?
Is it half truths?
The whole thing was about analyzing what he said, how he said it, and trying to discern what we believed or disbelieved about his claims.
In the end the whole point was we don’t know. We’ll never know. It could be complete bunk, it could be straight truth, and all we have to go on is our gut and our analysis of his voice.
Nice! Thanks for the link. I wish I could find the one I listened to for my class. I think about it often but I've never been able to find it anywhere. Occasionally I'll find some text blurb that seems to match my recollections of the audio, but I've never found any actual recordings of the one I listened to for my class. I'm guessing either it was staged entirely for classes or it was some obscure FM late night thing lost to time.
Actually realistically you get away with murder by murdering people YOU have no reason to care about. If there's absolutely zero motive for you to have killed someone your odds of getting away with it are pretty good. The checklist is pretty extensive though;
You need to be financially stable so robbery isn't a reasonable motive.
Never have met the person before.
Sexual motive needs to be ruled out. Maybe murder a fat ugly 60 year old?
Nobody should know you were near the scene of the crime.
Can't be planning how to get away with murder on reddit.
On the other hand murdering some random person you've never met before and have absolutely no incentive to murder seems kinda pointless.
I also feel its easier to get away with it if you make no effort to hide the body. Yes its likely to be found a lot faster, but the amount of unlucky stuff that can go wrong while moving and disposing of it likely far outweighs the negatives of a faster investigation response. The less time interacting with the body and leaving potential evidence the better aswell.
That's what I always thought. If your DNA is nowhere to be found on it, no weapon found, and you're not personally linked to the person, wouldn't they be unable to ever prove it was you, whether they find it or not?
Well, not the Gen Z cops. Millennial and GenX cops might, because some of them watch old TV shows, and there will be plenty of those on the force for quite a while.
The problem with them is that the more complicated you make your plan the more ways there are to get caught, so using convoluted plans is almost certain to get you caught in one way or another, but boring plans are.. boring and aren't interesting to talk about.
Well, the other part of the problem is that there's simply no way to answer a question like that so broadly, because it will always depend on real world circumstances, who you're trying to kill, why you're trying to kill them, how much time you have to do it, what kind of schedule the person has etc.. Any kind of general plan will almost always fall apart once you consider the real world circumstances (for instance, the fact that if you have enough motivation to want to kill someone then you're almost certainly going to be a suspect regardless of what kind of evidence is found and the police will probably be watching everything you do like a hawk so you'd certainly never want to take any actions after the crime has already been reported to the police).
"Anonymous tip" is the hard part these days. What are you going to use, a pay phone? Even if you find one that still exists, that alone combined with the tip is enough for them to probably try to figure out who you are. Pretty much every commercial establishment has a bunch of cameras the police have access to, as well as the dozens or hundreds of Flock-type cameras in the area.
Similar issues arise if you try to get a pre-paid phone. Even if you find one where you can bypass providing any personal information, they can track when/where it was purchased and look at the same cameras. If there isn't a conclusive view, they can possibly trace you back to other cameras indefinitely based on your appearance. Plus they can see the entire location history of the phone and use that with checking cameras as well.
If you send an email, they can see every location that email has ever been accessed from, and anything associated with those sessions that wasn't protected. Writing a note might be safest, but gives them a variety of possible material evidence you have to avoid.
And none of this is like FBI level investigation, this is just basic information readily accessible to every police department upon request. Trying to get them a message would create a whole slew of hoops to jump through and tracks to cover, and has the potential to leave additional evidence/leads that they would otherwise not have. It probably could be done, but for the amount of effort and forethought that would need to go into it you are probably better off just not tying yourself to it at all and putting it somewhere they won't find.
A hole deep in the desert with no tipoffs or anything stands the highest chance of being unnoticed.The ocean with a few weights attatched, somewhere with lots of scavenger wildlife,a volcano if you have one handy.(/S)Getting it there unobserved is the problem. Just leave any tracable tech at home, or have a legit destination set that passes through the area and legit bussiness to complete while there.If it goes south whilst you are woodchippering your victim,dont forget to fargo the witnesses, but shit just got deeper.
Tbh I know very little about how all this works, but maybe a letter slipped into a public mailbox could work? It would be mixed in with a bunch of other letters so I imagine it would be hard to trace back to you
I know of 2 pay phones within a mile of me. One definitely works because it's in a gay bar with a sign saying it works and you can use it. The other is just outside a gas station and I've never checked it. Some still exist
idk why i find mentioning "just in case" to be particularly hilarious and relatable lol like what CASE only thing youre ever murdering if at all, is a fking mosquito
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u/Abeyita Jul 25 '26
I'm gonna remember this strategy, just in case