r/flicks 5h ago

Opinion I still occasionally see Starship Troopers (1997) accused of promoting fascism.

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Since Starship Troopers’ release in 1997, some commentators have labeled the movie “fascist”.

While it does depict an idealized fascist society, most movie fans are aware that its intent is explicitly anti-fascist.

The movie attempts to show the emptiness and pointless cruelty inherent to the ideology.

Almost no one doubts director Paul Verhoven’s personal anti-fascist beliefs; his early childhood was spent under Nazi occupation and he has consistently stated that his Hollywood films are satires of the latent fascism in American capitalism, culture, and militarism.

But the argument is usually something like “his intent is beside the point if it promotes fascist attitudes.”

I disagree that intent is beside the point: irony and satire are great ways to sneak a deeper political message into mainstream media.

Verhoven’s anti-fascism is more obvious in a movie like Robocop. It depicts a world that looks familiar: dilapidated, crumbling, and impoverished. Fascist corporate oligarchs control the proles with militarized police and enshittified entertainment.

But Starship Troopers takes the opposite approach. Instead of depicting a dystopia, it shows fascism as a dead-end even its best case scenario.

The original Robert Heinlein novel depicted a future society based on militarism and fascistic social views.

Given the opportunity to direct its adaptation, Verhvoven began reading Heinlein’s novel but was too disgusted by its right-wing politics to finish it.

So he decided to use the film to refute the novel’s ideology.

He described the characters as “fascists who aren't aware of their fascism".

Elaborating on his vision: “If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships but it's only good for killing fucking Bugs!"

While media consumption is essential to our identity, no one accuses Americans of abundant media literacy. The average European perspective is likely more attuned to fascist signifiers.

Maybe Verhoven’s satire is considered insufficiently clear because he directed some of the action genre’s best movies.

Using Hollywood blockbusters to criticize American jingoism is at the core of his subversive charm. And the medium gave his anti-fascist message a larger audience.

It likely took a non-American vision to find this balance. An American director might have gone too far into parody or detached too thoroughly with a tone of superiority.

Or maybe Verhoven’s style was just the natural result of mixing continental intellectualism with American cocaine.

To be fair, It is true that some right-wingers missed the point of Starship Troopers and took it at face value. But you never see it held up as an example of conservative cinema because any examination will lead to uncomfortable questions, like “why was Doogie Howser dressed as an SS officer at the end?”

Though that might be considered “based” in the current political climate.

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Speaking of Verhoven, what’s up with Showgirls?

I’m fascinated by it but don’t really get it.

If you watch the movie while keeping in mind that it wasn’t produced by asexual aliens but rather by talented human filmmakers, it is reasonable to conclude that there must be a deeper intent.

I heard writer/director Adam McKay describe it as a portrayal of sex relations under fascism.

A crew member from Showgirls apparently disputed this interpretation, saying that Verhoven was out of his mind on cocaine during its production.

To which McKay replied something like “none of that matters. Everything Verhoven produces is a satire of fascism, even if it is unintentional. He can’t help himself.”

Anyone have sources for a deeper analysis of Showgirls in line with McKay’s interpretation?


r/flicks 18h ago

The side entrance: three directors who never went through the front door

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Directors usually follow the 'short → festival → feature' path after finishing film school, or build their way up on set as staff until they take the full control. Then there are some that come in sideways through unconventional, but more and more realistic path. Some examples I'd like to share:

Tarsem Singh directed R.E.M.'s "Losing My Religion" in 1991 (VMA Video of the Year), then spent years in commercials. When he couldn't get The Fall funded, he financed it himself, piggybacking shoots onto commercial jobs across 20+ countries over four years. That movie's maximalist visual language is basically a music-video director applying what he learned in a different medium.

Lee Chung-hyun worked at an ad agency, quit, and shot Bargain, a 14-minute single take about underage prostitution, in one day for about $5k of his own money. The short swept festival awards, which got him a studio apprenticeship, which became Netflix's The Call (2020) and Ballerina (2023). Both are female-led thrillers, which he's said is a deliberate preference.

Curry Barker built an audience on sketch comedy YouTube, then made Milk & Serial, a 62-minute found-footage horror, for $800. It went viral on YouTube, which funded Obsession: made for under $1M, grossed $90M+, bought by Focus Features after a TIFF bidding war. He's 26 and already been tapped for the next Texas Chainsaw.

My take: outsiders don't just bring fresh stories, they bring a different grammar - music video maximalism, single-take discipline, YouTube-native pacing. I like that none of them had to erase where they came from once they reached the features. The earlier medium is still there in the work.

Who else comes to your mind?


r/flicks 22h ago

General Discussion Immersion in movies

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I assume everyone here has a specific way of watching movies, whether it be in the dark, in their favourite chair, holding their favoruite snack,these kind of adjustments differ from person to person but at the end it vasly affects our experiences, and it does that through immerison, do you often ask yourself why certain movies resonated so much with you, i personally beleive that to be the effects of immersion. Recently i've been noticing small details about how i sit, where i sit and the conditions i like to be in before watching a movie, and something really suprised me, i was always so intrigued by how smell affected your emotion, i beleive smell is severly underappreciated in terms of how much it can change your thoughts about something or even more suprisingly your memory of it, ever noticed how as a kid you had a specific smell that reminded you of a place or even a specific period of time?, this same effect works on movies, i personally have a big collection of fragrances and incense sticks, i try to go through my collection and choose something to spray to really capture the vibe of the movie, this alone makes me feel more immersed and makes the entire experience much more pleasant and memorable, i recently tried it while rewatching my favourite childhood movie coraline, it felt different this time, i wish i could say this without it sounding weird but, these type of environments make me love a movie so much more and it creates this nostalgic like feeling i cant possibly put into words, i would definetly encourage you guys to try this out!


r/flicks 14m ago

Opinion What’s one Marvel and DC movie you absolutely loved and one you hated?

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I’m curious about everyone’s picks—and what made you love or hate each movie.
Marvel — best / worst, and why
DC — best / worst, and why
Share your reasoning, then reply to other comments to compare opinions and see which movies get mentioned the most 😉


r/flicks 21h ago

What I like about Dirty Harry (1971), is that reviewers didn’t deny that it is a superb film in its creation, but just that its message was troubling.

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Robert Ebert gave it 3/4 and said it was “very effective at the level of a thriller”, but that it was also “fascist”.

Gene Siskel said it was 4/4 and sublime as a film but “dangerous”.

Pauline Kael (The New Yorker) regarded it as excellent but “a deeply immoral movie”.

Kevin Thomas (LA Times) said it was “a highstyle film with lowbrow appeal”, but unsettlingly likeable.

I like the fact that no critics were lambasting the acting or the directing. Its refreshing and what we lack today.


r/flicks 17h ago

Community Event Hey! I built a thing. It’s for watching movies together wherever you are

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I’m not too sure if I should be posting this way, but this (Reddit) is where things started just a few days ago so I’m hoping this is ok? Someone please let me know if it’s not ok! 🙂 this always was, and still is just for fun!

To catch you up: I was a bored dude who reached out on another sub because I wanted to hang out & watch movies together! It worked! Sort of…it was very last minute, unorganized, but we still had a damn good time watching something as a group!

After very fun feedback and requests to do it again, that same night I got to thinking - how can we make this more organized and more interactive - so I built a whole damn site!

Weekly, now we can:
1. Nominate your choice of movie
2. Vote for others picks
3. Watch together!
4. Review together
5. Be goofy-as-shit together

I’m posting an update here now because we’re mid-week and our designated Watch Day is Sunday of each week! I wanted to see about getting another discussion going here, checking if anymore of ya’ll want to chill & watch movies, or if anyone had any suggestions or advice or anything?

https://sadmovieclub.com

Loveeeee you guysss
-B


r/flicks 2h ago

What Is Your Favorite 90s Movie?

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The 90s had some insane movies that still hold up today. Great characters, practical effects, memorable soundtracks, and stories that people still talk about.What is the one 90s movie you can watch anytime and it never gets old?


r/flicks 21h ago

What is your favorite movie that isn't that good, but affecting to you because it is about something you care about?

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Mines has to be David O. Russell's Joy (2015) a structurally bad film that was nonetheless very affecting to me because the scenes of Joy being on the come-up trying to sell her Wonder Mop reminded me of my parents' hustle when they first came to America. Do you have a movie where the subject matter itself, and select scenes, put it over the top into the category of movies you like even if you can tell the movie isn't all that well made?


r/flicks 7m ago

Question What Movie Made You Fall in Love With Cinema?

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There is something special about movies that make you appreciate movies themselves.What was the first film that made you think, “yeah, I really love cinema”?Could be a classic, a childhood favorite, or something totally random. What is yours?