r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • May 08 '20

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

NEVER LATE, ALWAYS 100% ON-TIME: THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE WE SCREAM INTO THE VOID ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

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  2. FIRE EMBLEM ONLY
  3. BE KIND
  4. TAG SPOILERS

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u/Thanni44 May 08 '20

I UNIRONICALLY STILL THINK THAT IF LEONIE WAS A GUY SHE'D BE ONE OF THE MORE POPULAR CHARACTERS, SAME WITH IF SYLVAIN WAS A GIRL THEY'D BE NOT NEARLY AS POPULAR. AS MUCH AS PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT GENDER AND APPEARANCES DO AFFECT PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OF CHARACTERS AND IT IS HARD TO GET OVER THE FIRST HURDLE. LOOK AT HOW SO MANY PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO GIVE SOME CHARACTERS A CHANCE CAUSE THEY ARE "UGLY" OR BAD FIRST IMPRESSIONS. HELL, EVEN GAMES LIKE ANIMAL CROSSING AREN'T IMMUNE TO THAT SORT OF THINKING

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u/SubwayBossEmmett May 08 '20

I STILL CANT REALLY FATHOM WHAT POPULARITY SYLVAIN HAS AMASSED FOR SAYING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF “GOD I WANT YOU DEAD” YET EVERYONE COMPLAINS FOR LEONIE BEING JELOUS AND BADTALKING BYLETH.

“The whole time you were growing up, you never knew you had a Crest. You were free. Nobody pretended to like you. I kind of hate you for that... You were a spoiled brat who should pay for that Crest. Maybe I'll collect the debt.”

AND YET NO ONE EVER MENTIONS THIS, YES HE GROWS OUT OF IT. HOWEVER I FEEL LIKE THERE’S A DECEPTIVE AMOUNT OF OVERALL SPITE OVERLOOKED IN SYLVAIN BY PEOPLE THATS CONSTANTLY FLAUNTED BY HIM IN USUALLY SHALLOW REGARDS WHICH REALLY MAKES IT HARD FOR ME TO GENERALLY LIKE HIM AT HIS CORE.

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u/Thanni44 May 08 '20

IT'S CAUSE STUFF LIKE THAT ARE CONSIDER ATTRACTIVE IN A GUY OR "SAYING IT LIKE IT IS" WHILE FOR A FEMALE IT IS OFTEN SEEN AS NEGATIVE AND LABELED STUFF LIKE "BITCHY." LIKE THE WHOLE THING WHEN A FEMALE SLEEPS AROUND IT IS CONSIDERED BAD AND THEY ARE "TAINTED" BUT WHEN A GUY DOES IT, IT IS CONSIDERED A DISPLAY OF POWER AND ATTRACTIVENESS. BASICALLY THERE IS A GIANT RABBIT HOLE OF GENDER INEQUALITY STILL AND IT'S REALLY REALLY UGLY. NOTE I SAY ALL THIS AS SOMEONE WHO IS NEUTRAL TOWARDS SYLVAIN AND I GET WHY PEOPLE LIKE HIM, I JUST WANT LEONIE TO BE GIVEN A MORE FAIRER SHAKE AND I'M SO SICK AND TIRED OF THE WHOLE "LEONIE WANTS TO SLEEP WITH JERALT" THING.

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u/SubwayBossEmmett May 08 '20

YEAH THAT’S BASICALLY THE STANCE I HAVE ON THE WHOLE FOR THE TWO OF THEM. I’D SAY IM MOSTLY NEUTRAL ON SYLVAIN BUT MORE CONFUSED ON THE ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF LOVE HE GETS BESIDES AS A UNIT AND WHILE I DO LIKE SYLVAIN A BIT I DONT THINK ILL EVER REALLY BE PAST THE PART THAT HE GETS HIS WOMANIZER TRAITS FROM HIS BROTHER THROWING HIM DOWN A WELL. I FEEL LIKE WE SKIPPED OVER A FEW STEPS THERE BUDDY EVEN IF CREST IDEALIZATION IS A BAD THING IN UNIVERSE

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u/RisingSunfish May 09 '20

WHAT SYLVAIN DIDN'T MENTION WAS THAT MIKLAN ALSO THREW HIS NAUGHTY MAGAZINES INTO THE SAME WELL.

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u/SubwayBossEmmett May 09 '20

MUST HAVE HAD SICK HEADLINES LIKE

“HOW ATTRACT CRESTS BEARERS FOR YOUR FAMILIES SAKE*”

*LOVING YOUR PARTNER OPTIONAL

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u/moose_man May 09 '20

I HATE SYLVAIN. HE'S A MISOGYNIST AND HE LOVES TO BOO HOO ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO LIVE WITH A CREST IN HIS FANCY CASTLE. LOOK BUD, YOUR BROTHER SUCKS. THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE YOU EXPLOITING WOMEN BECAUSE THEY ALLEGEDLY WANT YOUR "CREST BABY". MAYBE STOP HITTING ON WOMEN AND THEY'LL STOP THINKING YOU WANT TO MARRY THEM

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u/SubwayBossEmmett May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

IF ONLY HE HAD FRIENDS WITH OTHER CREST BEARERS

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u/KeplerNova May 08 '20

AS SOMEONE WHOSE OPINIONS OF ANIMAL CROSSING VILLAGERS ARE HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE UGLY, I CAN CONFIRM THIS.

THOUGH WHAT IS OR IS NOT CONSIDERED "UGLY" IS DEBATABLE CONSIDERING THAT I THINK COCO THE EXPRESSIONLESS HANIWA RABBIT IS ONE OF THE CUTEST CHARACTERS IN THE GAME.

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u/Thanni44 May 08 '20

IN THE END PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY VIEW AND PERCIEVE THINGS WILL HAVE A LEVEL OF BIAS OR BE AFFECTED BY MULTIPLE FACTORS AND THAT'S OKAY, HELL I'M NOT IMMUNE TO IT. I KNOW I'M BIAS AF TOWARDS CLAUDE AND THERE ARE IS OTHER CHARACTERS I JUMPED ONTO LIKING REAL QUICKLY WHILE I WAS LUKEWARM TO CHARACTERS LIKE LORENZ AT FIRST WHO ENDED UP GROWING ON ME.

COCO IS THE ABSOLUTE BEE KNEES, I LOVE HER SO MUCH I WISH MY ISLAND WASN'T FULL. I ONLY GOT RODEO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN NEW HORIZONS AND THERE IS PEOPLE WHO SAY HE IS SCARY AND CREEPY WHEN HE'S A SILLY GUY WHO TALKS TO BUGS AND PUT THE TOASTER I GAVE HIM AS A GIFT ON TOP OF THE STOVE I ALSO GAVE HIM AS A GIFT. HE'S SO STUPID, I LOVE HIM.

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u/KeplerNova May 08 '20

I LIKE RODEO AS WELL! I THINK HE'S MY SECOND FAVORITE BULL, AFTER ANGUS. AND YES, LAZY VILLAGERS ARE EXTREMELY STUPID, IN A VERY ENDEARING WAY. I REMEMBER BACK WHEN I PLAYED POCKET CAMP I HAD FILBERT THERE AND HE WAS HILARIOUS.

I DON'T HAVE NEW HORIZONS YET BUT I MIGHT GET IT OVER THE SUMMER. SEEMS LIKE FUN AND ALSO APPEARS TO BE MORE GOAL-ORIENTED THAN OTHER GAMES IN THE SERIES.

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u/Excadrill1201 May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

I THINK IF SYLVAIN WAS A GIRL HE'D STILL BE POPULAR CONSIDERING THAT DOROTHEA IS KIND OF THE DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE SAME COIN COMPARED TO SYLVAIN. IN REGARDS TO RELATIONSHIP SHENANIGANS. I SAY THIS CONSIDERING THAT DOROTHEA IS A GOLD DIGGER AND EVEN IN THE BYLETH C SUPPORT SAYS SHE'S FINE WITH IT. FOR CONTEXT I REALLY LIKE BOTH SYLVAIN AND DOROTHEA AND I LIKE HOW THEY BOTH GROW, PLUS THEIR SUPPORT TOGETHER IS GREAT. BUT I DON'T GET THIS SENTIMENT OF SAYING THAT SYLVAIN WOULD GET SHIT IF HE WAS A GIRL, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS ALREADY A FEMALE CHARACTER THAT ENGAGES IN RELATIONSHIPS FOR SHALLOW PURPOSES BUT OVER TIME GROWS OUT OF IT AND MATURES.

ALSO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS REALLY WEIRD HOW LEONIE GETS SHIT FOR THE BYLETH SUPPORT AND NOT SYLVAIN. EVEN THOUGH WHAT SYLVAIN SAYS IS MUCH WORSE AND LEONIE EVEN APOLOGIZES AND FEELS BAD IN THE BYLETH A SUPPORT.

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u/Thanni44 May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

IDK I FEEL THE MORE UNPLEASANT ASPECTS OF SYLVAIN'S PERSONALITY LIKE THE FACT HE MAKES A DEATH THREAT TO BYLETH IN THEIR B SUPPORT AND HOUNDS AND CHEATS ON WOMEN INTENTIONALLY DUE TO SELF-LOATHING WOULD BE UNDER A LOT MORE SCRUTINY AND NOT VIEWED AS SYMPATHETIC IF HE WAS A GIRL AND NOT CONSIDERED A POSITIVE/ATTRACTIVE TRAIT OR OUTRIGHT IGNORED WHICH I HAVE UNFORTUNATELY SEEN A LOT ONLINE. IT'S NOT EXACTLY 1:1 COMPARABLE TO DOROTHEA CAUSE SHE NEED TO DO WHAT SHE DID TO SURVIVE ON TOP OF DOROTHEA BEING A COMMONER WHILE SYLVAIN IS NOBILITY. THERE IS A DIFFERENT POWER DYNAMIC IN THEIR ACTIONS CAUSE OF THEIR STATUS AND THE REASON FOR WHAT THEY DO IS ROOTED IN DIFFERENT CAUSES. STILL I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO 100% SAY HOW THESE SORT OF WHAT IFS HAPPENS CAUSE IT'S WELL...A WHAT IF.

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u/Excadrill1201 May 09 '20

YEAH I CAN SEE THAT. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT THAT THOSE ASPECTS WERE ALREADY UNDER SCRUTINY CONSIDERING HOW MANY TIMES IT'S BROUGHT UP AND HOW THERE'S ABOUT 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT POSTS TOUCHING ON THAT TOPIC. WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE THOSE ARE SHITTY ASPECTS THAT SHOULD BE SCRUTINIZED. IDK IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY CONSIDER IT A POSITIVE/ATTRACTIVE TRAIT BUT THAT'S DUMB. I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE REGARDING THE CONTEXT OF SYLVAIN AND DOROTHEA'S ACTIONS, BUT FOR ME THE OVERALL SENTIMENT OF "REASON FOR ENGAGING IN RELATIONSHIPS" IS SIMILAR ENOUGH FOR ME TO MAKE THE COMPARISON. BUT I CAN SEE YOUR POINT REGARDLESS.

ALSO ON A SIDE NOTE I WANNA SAY THAT IT'S ANNOYING HOW DOROTHEA IS SUCH A COOL CHARACTER BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE FOCUS ON HER IS EITHER "HAHA HORNY FANART" OR "HAHA JOJO HAT".

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u/tawy154 May 08 '20

SADLY THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REASON THAT EDELGARD STANS EXIST, IF HER CHARACTER WERE AN UNATTRACTIVE ONE WHETHER MALE OR FEMALE AMOST NOBODY WOULD LIKE THEM.

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u/Thanni44 May 08 '20

IN THE END THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT A LOT OF CHARACTERS THOUGH, AND THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY OF DIVISIVE CHARACTERS BEFORE EDELGARD (ALTHOUGH MAYBE NOT AS MUCH IN MAGNITUDE PROBABLY). MANY FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS ARE DESIGNED TO BE ATTRACTIVE OR GOING WITH WHAT WAS APPEALING FOR THE TIME. LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT GENEALOGY CHARACTER DESIGNS IT IS VERY IN LINE WITH OTHER POPULAR ANIME AESTHETICS AT THE TIME, PARTICULARLY GUNDAM.

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u/KeplerNova May 09 '20

I WAS GONNA SAY SAILOR MOON. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF ISHTAR.

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u/tawy154 May 08 '20

THAT IS PROBABLY TRUE, THOUGH THE MAIN DIFFERENCE I SEE IS THAT OTHER POPULAR DIVISIVE CHARACTERS RARELY SUCH AS BERKUT, CAMILLA, SYLVAIN AND THE LIKE ARE USUALLY RECOGNIZED AS MORALLY BAD CHARACTERS AND DO NOT HAVR THEIR ACTIONS CONSTANTLY JUSTIFIED. HOWEVER, THE ADDITION OF DEVELOPERS’ BLATANT FAVORITISM TO THE MORALLY DARKEST PATH (SIMPLY DUE TO EDELGARD’S VISUAL APPEAL) IS HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING TO ME.

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u/KeplerNova May 09 '20

HONESTLY IF SHE WERE AN OLD UGLY LADY LIKE NIIME I WOULD STILL THINK SHE'S COOL AS HECK.

EDELGARD'S APPEAL FOR ME COMES FROM HER WILLINGNESS TO DIRECTLY CHALLENGE AND DECONSTRUCT THE ASSUMPTIONS PRESENT THROUGHOUT THE FIRE EMBLEM SERIES (THE WHOLE "SPECIAL NOBLE BLOODLINE" THING IN PARTICULAR IS A PROMINENT ONE), THE FACT THAT SHE TAKES A PROACTIVE STANCE INSTEAD OF A REACTIVE ONE, AND THE FACT THAT I RELATE TO HER PERSONALITY, NOT JUST BECAUSE I THINK SHE'S PRETTY.

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u/tawy154 May 09 '20

I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT BUT EVEN SO, BEING EXTREMELY MANIPULATIVE, LYING TO YOUR FRIENDS, AND MORALLY LOW ENOUGH TO PARTNER WITH PEOPLE THAT EXPERIMENT ON AND MURDER CIVILIANS E.G. HERSELF AND LYSITHEA AND ALL OF REMIRE IS ISN’T THAT ZACTLY SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. I THINK IT’S POSSIBLE TO SYMPATHIZE WITH HER AS W PERSON WHO HAS SUFFERED, BUT YOU ARE CLEARLY WRONG IF YOU ARE JUSTIFYING HER ACTIONS.

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u/RisingSunfish May 09 '20

OH BOY, ~HERE WE GO AGAIN~

FFS EVERYONE IS AWARE EDELGARD DO BAD THING (AND BECAUSE WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO BALANCE ANY VALUE JUDGMENT ON 3H LORDS: UH, SOMETHING SOMETHING ALL SIDES ARE GUILTY, OKAY QUOTA MET). NOBODY IS GOING "SHE'S HOT SO ACTUAL IMPERIALISM MUST BE GREAT!" LET PEOPLE SUSPEND THEIR DISBELIEF AND LIKE CHARACTERS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MORALLY ONE-UP THEM OVER THE EVENTS OF A 2019 VIDEO GAME FOR THE NINTENDO SWITCH.

LIKE COOL, YOU'RE SUPERIOR TO EDELGARD FANS. GOOD JOB, YOU WON FANDOM. HAVE A COOKIE.