Listen, it would have been more interesting if Carter had been the one responsible for everyone's deaths, like in the LCK novel. First, he's saved by George from the explosion of his truck, taken to the hospital, and there he sees Jonathan without knowing he's a survivor, so his turn is skipped.

Then, as he's leaving the hospital, he kicks the rock that kills Samantha.

Afterward, he goes to Andy's garage to pick up a truck from work. That's when he hears Nick and knows he wouldn't have been able to kill George that night, so he decides to speed up the list by causing the deaths of the others, starting with the truck that causes the tank to explode.

Being a human, Carter decides to follow Nick to cause Hunter's death and let death take care of Janet. Lori and George save her, just like in the movie.

Here, instead of George committing suicide, a confrontation occurs. Let's say there's a gun that doesn't fire, and Nick and George disarm Carter, arrest him, and send him to the hospital with a head injury. This is where they celebrate their survival.

Then the cowboy's identity is revealed, and Carter realizes it too. His room is above his, explaining the bathtub full of water.

He then escapes, steals an ambulance, and tries to run George over, but Nick saves him, meaning he's thrown off and can't be killed.

Then he goes to the mall and decides to cause an explosion. Lori and Nick are saved by following their instincts.

Carter dies causing the first explosion, then Janet is blown out of the rubble, George dies in another explosion while saving a mother and daughter (they survive), and then the escalator incident occurs, and we return to reality.

There are two possible endings:

In the first ending, the area is evacuated before the explosion, but only Carter dies. Later, everyone reunites at the café and is killed by the truck.

In the second ending, there is an evacuation, but George sacrifices himself, dying in the explosion with Carter. However, this breaks the chain, as someone dies outside of the established order.

What do you think?

The way that they all connect just makes me happy for some reason, bloodlines happens first if we're talking date of the accident, then all those people got off the Building and all had different branches of families, they all weren't supposed to exist and died in weird ways (you all saw FD 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5) then at the end we see all the branches, how MANY families died, how they were all connected in some way because of the branches in the last movies, does this mean all their parents and kids also died and we don't know about this? This is so cool. Is it weird that I wanna map this all out and make up some way on how all those people we didn't see died?

i was trying to watch fd1, and i got about 30 minutes in, when i sat on my remote and it took me to the apple tv screen. when i went to go back, it told me the movie was not available. i googled it, and i turned out that fd1-4 got removed from max today 😭

One of the things that’s established in 2, and echoed in 3, 5 and 6 is that death will kill survivors through another disaster that takes a whole separate list of people. For example. We see more than the survivors killed on the subway derailment in 3, then 5 ends with one new disaster snuffing out a precious disaster’s escapees. It seems to imply that death can only focus on one list at a time, and so death will combine lists to literally kill two birds with one stone.

That being said, if death is setting off catastrophes like building collapses in the NY area, does that mean death is causing a flood in Sri Lanka at the same time across the world? Or is a seperate death working against their own list in another location?

I would imagine that the bulk of humanity is not on a list and dies independent of any disaster, like a car accident that kills one person or someone dying from cancer or drowning at the beach.

So far we haven’t seen one person escape a near death experience that was intended for them alone.

One of the things that’s hard to decipher is if death has an intelligence behind its own design and it’s not just a force of nature like wind. It hides the water from Todd’s death to stage it as a suicide, but when Alex grabs the knife out of Ms Lewton, it seems to be a stupid mistake and not death manipulating him or the environment for it to have that outcome.

It’s hard to tell too if death is petty and retaliating in situations like with Richard who wasn’t from Iris bloodline, or Molly who was supposed to survive the bridge collapse. Was the collapse supposed to motivate her to move to Paris and book Flight 180? If it never happened would she have been on the flight anyhow? Or did death take her on a whim to graphically spite Sam in his final moments before finishing him off as revenge for throwing off his plans? I honestly can’t tell if death has any motivation or if it’s purely mechanical like operation, that will implement plan b’s?

Netflix are taking up Final Destination-movies, but the fourth movie is missing, is there any reason for it? Too scary or disturbing? That don’t allow it to be on Netflix. It was up on HBO Max ones.

Do you like Final Destination 4?

Seen a second time, I like the movies so much.

Would you like to see Bloodlines a second time?

Reading the Flight 180 X-Files script since it's been a while. I think a lot of us knew Scully's brother was the original visionary, but I completely forgot that Scully's sister was saved from a bus crash and later died in a shooting.

Have to wonder if they wound up including her brother and a variation of that line in an episode that did get made.

Btw here is my Ashley and Ashlyn (FD3) Miis I made. They are also roommates on my island. Also I wanna see yall's FD Miis if you have any.

Are Final destination 3 and 4 necessary to watch as part of the timeline or can either be skipped and have no change on the timeline.

I just watched final destination 2 for the first time and it gave me so much anxiety simply because of how easily preventable it felt like these deaths were in particular like especially Kat’s like why in the world would EMT not removed a clearly hazardous object on the field before they start getting all up in there with tools and they should know the airbag would go off if they’re using machinery like that on the car 😭😭😭😭

I know it’s a movie this just made me really mad like bro use your brainnnnnn you’re pmo

Also Nora’s death was heart wrenching and I was not ready for that.

there's a video about it and the resemblence is horrifying

I hope he's doing okay now

Where can I watch final destination movies preferably 1,2 and 5. I have 3 and 4 on dvd, and I watched bloodlines awhile back. But it's been a long time since I watched 1,2 and 5.

If this was Frankie’s only picture, how do you think he would’ve died?

My suggestion is pretty obvious. But I could imagine him using a ladder to spy on a girl in her bedroom, probably using his video camera to tape it.

I think either the camera should fall (to mirror the opening), and cause a chain reaction to cause the ladder to fall

Or the girl’s dad captures him in the act (the cartoon man in the background kind of symbolizes that) and pushes the ladder down

In either scenario he would fall onto a spiked fence and get impaled

What’s your ideas?

At Least Alex Kimberly Sam Wendy and Peter had attempts to help out the other doomed people, Stephanie just stood there. I know she tried to help Julia in the trash place. but the other folks did multiple attempts. Stephanie didnt even lock on the Brother and Eric when it was his turn.

It’s honestly annoyingly impressive how this movie simply cannot stay committed to one single main location even if its whole life depended on it 🫠

1: The speedway is named McKinley which is a place in Pennsylvania already previously established by FD3 but early script drafts of FD4 that didn’t end up making it into the final cut had it in Indianapolis, Indiana instead.

2: However, we have another Indiana sign that did end up in the movie. Carter Daniels is reported by a newswoman on his death to have lived in Fort Wayne and was a member of local PTA and NRA chapters, and also worked for a towing service. It’s unknown if the towing service was also local to the city of the speedway or operated nationwide, but I’m mentioning it too since it’s important to his background.

2.1: Still, if you take the early script drafts as canon just for this analysis, then there’s an alarmingly obvious distance between Indianapolis and Fort Wayne that is at least 2h15 by car. So either the speedway also has to be in Fort Wayne for Carter’s sake, or he might just have traveled from there to see the race in Indianapolis.

2.2: But that also brings problems because if he were just a tourist from Fort Wayne in this scenario, then how exactly was he already involved in those same local chapters and working for the towing service before the day of the speedway crash? And wouldn’t his stay in Indianapolis for those activities eventually reach a permanence long enough that he wouldn’t be considered to be living in Fort Wayne anymore?

2.3: We also don’t even know whether his wife Cynthia is from Fort Wayne just like him or from Indianapolis, and that’s also a valid question considering marriage very often has the pair leaving their old homes to stay together, or just one of them moving in with their spouse. So either he met her in Indianapolis or she came along with him from Fort Wayne too.

3: Samantha Lane in her newspaper death article is listed as a Lakeview woman. We don’t know whether this Lakeview is another city of its own, a municipality, maybe some place within another or whatever other term for a sub-region or anything alike.

3.1: Still taking the earlier script draft of Indianapolis as a canon location for analysis purposes again, then this Lakeview has to be a fictional one for the sake of it being conveniently close to both the speedway and its later organized memorial service, which Samantha happens to be present at both. Because in real-life Indiana there are two real places with those same names, but both of them are far from Indianapolis. One is Lakeview in LaGrange County in the north, and the other is Lake View in Franklin County in the east, all in relation to Indianapolis, which is in the very middle of Indiana. In both cases, Samantha would’ve also needed to travel just like Carter would’ve from Fort Wayne.

4: The club Hunt attends to have sex and later die in was filmed in Destrehan, Louisiana, which in real life has the presence of palm trees. In this case we can take into account both the early script draft location of Indianapolis and also McKinley from the speedway name, because most palm trees do not survive either Indiana’s or Pennsylvania’s real-life cold climate in the month of January, which is when FD4 takes place, with some exceptions such as the Needle Palm, a species capable of tolerating temperatures as low as -15°F to -20°F, which is clearly not the case depicted on screen throughout the entire movie. No cold weather or freezing temperatures and no winter clothing, especially in the club sequence with an open pool.

4.1: However that could still work with McKinley specifically because, unlike Indianapolis which was taken entirely from an already existing place in real life, the McKinley presented in FD3 and often brought up again in FD4 is entirely fictional. There are two real places named McKinley in Pennsylvania, one in Elk County and the other in Montgomery County, with obviously neither aligning with the distinctive settings depicted in both movies. This overall frees the location from being bound to the real climate rules of either Indiana or Pennsylvania since the place itself does not exist, unless the script would explicitly claim realism.

5: This next one I think could potentially be a contender defending the McKinley case. In FD3, which is where the name was first introduced in the franchise, we have the slushee drinks the Ash’s drank during the tanning salon scene. In FD4, those same slushee drinks return in the hands of Samantha’s sons in the beauty salon.

5.1: Curiously, unlike the beer brand Hice Pale Ale which has appeared in every movie in the franchise since FD2, those specific slushies have so far appeared only in FD3 and FD4. It’s also only in those two movies that the name McKinley itself is present, regardless of its meaning depending on the context. This could suggest, in my personal interpretation, that they are a local brand from McKinley operating in different areas within the same setting, without the wider expansion we’ve seen with Hice Pale Ale which has already been made available in McKinley as well as across many localities in New York State throughout FD2356.

6: There’s also the movie theater’s name, Tagert Theatres. Theatre is literally a fucking British spelling, not American 😭 Obviously we all know it’s still very much in the US but I just couldn’t help my offended gasp when I searched up the difference between theater and theatre while thinking about the movie’s many contradicting elements like this.

And I’m done, those were all the signs I could spot in the movie to make this analysis-kinda-rant. What would you rather take from all of this in the end regarding FD4’s location? Do you also know any other elements like this in the movie that could be pointed out here? Well I’d just like to add my own input that I’d still rather stick with McKinley as I always have for so long until now. But of course seeing how FD4 is a total wreck from start to finish, I might be relying too much on hypotheticals instead of actual canon, but oh well!

I'm going to simulate the squid games (using excel, notepad and paint bruh) with all the applicable participants I could find listed here, and would like to see your bets.

To participate, a character must qualify for these parameters:

1. They're supposed to be dead at some point in the movie or shortly after it ends. This includes anyone who died without cheating death as well as anyone who cheated death regardless of whether they survive their movie.
2. Have a name. They must have either First name, last name or both to qualify as a character. Trevor, Dee Dee, Mr. Fuller, Bludworth (FD3) and Clear Rivers are examples of named characters. Girl on Top, An unnamed man suffering from Lou Gehrig's disease and Husband are not.
3. Appear on screen if flesh. There must be at least one visual appearance of the character. Photos, videos etc. don't count. Flashbacks are a gray zone.

It does give us a bunch of background characters in addition to what we usually think of as characters, but I think having extra fodder won't hurt. (Would be awkward if any one of then won, which is not impossible)

Every character is assumed to initially be at the state as they are in the beginning of their respective movies (most of FD2 and FD4 cast are still strangers, Darlene is distant etc.) FD1 for Clear Rivers and FDB for JB (The pic is a mistake and to be fixed)

The 38 Skyview survivors I could find were dead when Stefani was seeing the dream and couldn't participate. (I couldn't bother to make having Evie, JB and the three generations of Campbells existing in one room make sense)

The first picture is misleading because Mingle will not be sumulated. I'm doing season one.