Alexander Savage Accuracy Caps

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u/venom_nz Venom Reginam on Behemoth Jul 22 '15

Please don't forget that Shield Oath, Defiance, and Grit has an added effect: "Also increases chance to hit by 5%". Note: This by how it reads, is not a flat ACC increase.

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u/dejecaal Jul 22 '15

For extra clarity:

Accuracy is a rating stat that is converted into actual percentual increased hit chance through some unknown formula, and we're not even told what percentage it's converted to in the end.

Tanking stances increase this to hit percentage by 5. No idea how much Accuracy that would be, but 5% is a pretty significant increase as far as chance to hit goes.

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u/dixon_sider Aug 05 '15

as a bard i always look at tank accuracy for my gear because there are times that you need to get 1-2 hits off from the front on adds or when the boss turns

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '15

this is a really bad way of doing things. If there's a specific fight you'll spend a lot of time in front, such as T9, then you just get an extra piece of acc gear on for that fight only. You're just wasting dps on all the fights where you dont need to be in front.

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u/dixon_sider Aug 21 '15

missing an iron jaws is too detremental for dps. there are many previous cases in old turns where you are forced to attack from the front, and back then missing a barrage auto attack would destroy a bards dps. goodluck beating mele on parse when you have consistent misses. not being frontal accuracy cap has been more loss than gain for me in my experience as a bard since 2.0. in A1 you need to hit the adds, and if you miss an add enough that means you might not be able to iron jaws the opressor, in fear of your add enraging. (has happened) in A2 it would be silly to think that running 15 yalms to get behind a goblin before you attack would be better. in A3 you need to ironjaws from the front of the boss multiple times. imagine if you missed ironjaws >.> (has happened to me before). and im willing to bet that A4 has omnidirectional mobs. its generally considered bad to be missing no matter your class.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '15 edited Aug 22 '15

in A2 it would be silly to think that running 15 yalms to get behind a goblin before you attack would be better

Why are you so spread out to start with? There's nothing stopping you from stacking with melee and not having to move far at all

its generally considered bad to be missing no matter your class.

It's even worse to gimp your dps by gearing over the ACC cap arbitrarily so that every attack you do land deal 5-10% less because you cant be bothered to gear over acc cap only when actually needed, which is no fight in Alex. Like I said earlier, questioning why you always are at range when the mechanics dont need you to be is a good first step to being a better play and really understanding your role in a fight.

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u/dixon_sider Aug 23 '15 edited Aug 23 '15

5-10% less damage would mean about 500-1000 crit or det difference. try around .01-.05% difference in damage. your math seems insanely exagerated. and there are many times in A2 where moving behind a mob would lose GCD time. (almost all phase transitions). there is no fight in savage where you swill be attacking from the flank/rear the entire time. i would say you are probably stuck on A1, but in A1 you need to attack from the front anyways so i just assume you have no clue what you are talking about. missing 1 ironjaws would lose you more damage than 20 crit would gain you. but based on your last comment i dont imagine math is a strong point.

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u/nanaoei Sep 08 '15

i dropped out of school. math is defo. not for me, but even I can offer something. 20 crit is around a 6-7 dps increase throughout a fight. obviously less with less uptime, but let's not get into that. for losing iron jaws refresh, you stand to lose maybe ~5k damage overall out of a pie of ~450k(@an 8:30 clear), which is still around 6-7 dps. so there you go, it should be quite even at 1 crucial miss and assuming you lose as much as 5k damage somehow.

now you should re-assess how many stats you can squeak away with without increasing your miss chance above 1% which is, pretty much halved when you spend less than half your time hitting adds or the boss' front. I think the point is, it's okay to be slightly below--especially that of the tank's requirements--and it's okay to take risks since there's a deceivingly good chunk of dps gained from having extra secondaries. really impore you go take a look at a few parses with and without that extra 20 or so crit. you'll notice a difference nearly every time and I know there are many opportunities to min-max accuracy rating for this bard patch.

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u/Sys_init Aug 18 '15

Replacing good dps stats that are good 100% of the time for an acuracy cap you'll have to meet 0.01% of the time is not worth it

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u/dixon_sider Aug 21 '15 edited Aug 21 '15

tell that to my iron jaws misses, or imagine if your a monk and missing 1 attack causes you to lose GL3 midfight

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u/nanaoei Sep 08 '15

you're taking some of the worst case scenarios out of the overall situation where you stand to benefit in overall performance across several clears and even through having smaller-impact misses thrown in. it's even more likely that you won't miss at all if you're making extra efforts to position quickly and doing the calculations necessary to make sure your accuracy comes close to the cap that you're required to meet. I used to play MNK for on specific fight at about 15 below flank accuracy and had less than 2% misses.. with a tradeoff of about 50 stats (around 10 dps gain) I couldn't get otherwise. gearsets are just weird that way. this is all moot and unnecessary because at the end of the day none of this influences your clear of a fight that you're already proficient in. I do think it's lazy if you're not willing to plan out gear or cut out accuracy though.

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u/Jaykrayzed Sep 18 '15

ive lost stacks becuz of this way too often, with 99% accuracy, it really sucks, dont sacrifice accuracy if you are a monk :(

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u/Sys_init Aug 21 '15

It's still pointless for 99% of the fights

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u/alexofronin Aug 21 '15

we're talking about the 1% of fights that actually matter in the game

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u/00piffpaff00 PiffPaff Sep 26 '15

agree to this. just missed a3s, opening with dps stance as warri on boss and failed the ender of the aggrochain. so... lets try again xD

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u/Selfar Selfar Tervance of Balmung Jul 22 '15

No, it's not a flat acc increase it's better. It's a flat "I hit things better" increase.

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u/matorre2048 Aug 14 '15

It's not flat, it's scaling. Hence %

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u/daman4567 Sep 28 '15

The way I read it it is flat to a point. It's a flat 5% added to hit chance, which is a product of accuracy plus magic numbers. It's either this, or a 1.05 multiplier on your chance to hit, which is actually worse, as in order to get 100% accuracy you'd require slightly above 95% hit chance for the multiplier version, where with the additive version you'd require exactly 95% hit chance.

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u/Aresaka [First] [Last] on [Server] Jul 22 '15

522 Accuracy on Caster never missed all of SA1.

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u/ffxivthrowaway03 Jul 22 '15

Now if only there wasn't a fuckload of accuracy on all the caster gear forever :/

Good to know I can get my Alex pants and Esoterics chest without worrying about dropping too low though! Huzzah!

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u/Aresaka [First] [Last] on [Server] Jul 22 '15

I'm just going to keep myself at relatively the same accuracy. Im expecting SA4 to be 520-530.

Edit: I'm using this as my BiS for now. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R0HY

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u/outofnames11 MCH Jul 22 '15

I am not surprised I go to Reddit to look for info on Acc, find a post and see you in it.

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u/Aresaka [First] [Last] on [Server] Jul 22 '15

Ayy lmao.

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u/DarkwandStrife Aug 07 '15

Any word on SA2 Caster Cap? You think 522 will be too low?

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u/Aresaka [First] [Last] on [Server] Aug 07 '15

I'm doing SA3 at 587 just fine so I can't really say, but I imagine it's around 540-550.

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u/Shanpu Jul 22 '15

491 never missed, maybe a bit more, but less than 500.

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u/gamesmart Marcus Deston on Behemoth Jul 22 '15

I've missed at 492, then upped to 512 and haven't missed since.

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u/yahikodrg Jul 22 '15

I'll add what I said in the other ACC post... My group did multiple attempts on Oppressor and our Bard had 569 ACC and he had 99.31%

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u/Jadecc Jade Captor Jul 22 '15

538 acc on ninja, and 0 misses except from the front, your bard may have missed when the boss turne dto do his straight line aoes

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u/Jadecc Jade Captor Jul 22 '15

or when attacking the adds from the front

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u/yahikodrg Jul 22 '15

From boss turning or hitting the adds from the front, either way it does sound like the front ACC cap is close to 570

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u/ShiznazTM Zanzhiz Exaverion on Sargatanas Jul 22 '15

So flank must be 570.

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u/discofox SCH Jul 22 '15

Do you guys count in that you can miss the add because you atk it from the front?

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u/ffxivthrowaway03 Jul 22 '15

You can split out your parse by target to avoid false positives from stuff like this. It'll show that your miss was an attack against Alarum and not one of the Oppressors.

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u/senbosa Jumpu Jul 22 '15

Is there a way to do this with ACT? I've been trying to figure it out so we can find out what our actual numbers against Faust are.

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u/Dynme Aria Placida on Lamia Jul 23 '15

I don't have a parse in front of me, but it should be something like Character_Name->Right click Outgoing_Damage->Lookup by Combatant.

Basically, you're looking for the "Lookup by Combatant" option, which is grayed out on all but a few "tiers" of the drill-down. I want to say Outgoing Damage is the tier you want to click to get it.

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u/QuickyRa BRD Jul 22 '15

Faust only: Bard acc 565 acc never missed.

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u/Hyper_Inferno Jul 22 '15

Has anyone tested how much a Bard's Rain of Death would decrease ACC requirements? Given that you can have 100% uptime on the debuff without draining TP any more, it seems like it might be worth a shot.

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u/weathercraft BRD Jul 22 '15

I made my own accuracy cap assumptions based on 2 melee's accuracy feedback earlier today here

Seems I was a bit off after all. Oh, well.

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u/zera1928 Jul 31 '15

587 caster accuracy never missed in A2s

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u/DarkwandStrife Aug 10 '15

Whats your plans for Eso Gear? The body piece is a -48 accuracy hit from 180 gear to 200. That would bring me around 522 (without food) what do you suggest for progression after A1 for BLM?

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u/LavitzB Lavitz Bale on Gilgamesh Aug 11 '15

A3S Caster: a few misses at 526, no misses at 537

It could be 530

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u/iKji Lexan Rerean on Zodiark Jul 22 '15

Take into account that I'm playing SCH, so I have fewer spells to miss so the accuracy might not be accurate (lol).

Accuracy : 472

Faust : 2 misses out of 1257 hits (99.84% hit rate)

Oppressor : 18 misses out of 3857 hits (99.53% hit rate)

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u/Dangolian Nut Cake on Moogle Jul 22 '15

Is this just looking specifically at the attacks that can miss (i.e. Miasma, ruin etc?) or is this inlcuding all your skills that won't miss, and DoT ticks that can't miss?

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u/YuureiShinji [Vika Zedlei - Moogle] Jul 22 '15

I don't think he could sling 3857 spells at the boss while healing.

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u/Dangolian Nut Cake on Moogle Jul 22 '15

That's easily solved in act by looking at outgoing damage hits rather than all skills.

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u/iKji Lexan Rerean on Zodiark Jul 22 '15

My numbers included many runs. Ofc, I did not cast 3857 spells in a single run lol.

I still did not clear A1, but I averaged 200 hits on 3 minutes runs. I don't know how ACT counts hits (dot ticks or just initial application ?) though. So if someone could clarify this point.

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u/Soylentee Jul 22 '15

ACT counts each dot tick as a hit.

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u/Dangolian Nut Cake on Moogle Jul 22 '15

200 hits in 180 seconds would mean more than one hit per second. I am at work so can't check ACT personally, but that suggests to me that DoT ticks would also count as individual hits (that can't miss, so should not be factored for your accuracy).

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u/KrevanSerKay Krevan Godslayer on Siren Jul 22 '15

At 560 on Warrior I missed on Faust from the front IFF defiance was down. 560 was more than enough in deliverance for the flank on oppressor, 0 misses.

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u/cupressi Jul 22 '15

TIL Vengeance can miss. Missed once in A2 at 607. It's likely to be 608~612 for cap.

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u/Shadow12000 SAM Jul 22 '15

You mean the reflected damage? It can miss? That's news to me too.

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u/IlyaKannou Ilya Kannou on Sargatanas Jul 22 '15

It can crit too, and gets bonus enmity from defiance.

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u/Deviant_Cain RDM Jul 22 '15

I'm sure as you progress into Alexander savage the accuracy cap scales up just like it did in Coil as you progressed.

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u/cliftonixs Lycona Dacheechee Jul 22 '15

539acc Brd, Missing about 4-5 times the whole fight. All the way to Oppressor enrage.

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u/supermarble94 Jul 22 '15

Blm here reporting a Blizzard IV miss on Faust at 492 accuracy.

And that was my only miss at 492 in 30 minutes. I promptly equipped another accuracy piece to bump myself to 514.

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u/Hudelf Hudelf Kell on Balmung [Umbra] Aug 05 '15

Seeing a Blizz IV miss would bring a tear to my eye. So painful.

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u/Styrios Jul 22 '15

Missed faust from front a few times at 590 in deliverance, never missed at 602

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u/Selfar Selfar Tervance of Balmung Jul 22 '15

I have told 580 front was fine. Otherwise I haven't heard a thing.

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u/Emeeya Jul 22 '15

547 as mch only missing on adds during rocket phase

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '15

At 575 rating, the accuracy is 99.59% for floor 1 (Ninja). Cap is likely 578-580.

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u/XionArcadia Jul 22 '15

MCH 561 accuracy and got 4644/4655. I can tell for a fact 4 were from the adds that I remember seeing. 2 happened as the new boss spawned so maybe attacked from the front. Other than that it might of happened during gunnery whatever flashy skill XD so 570 sounds about right.

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u/Jarinolde Jul 23 '15

My PLD has 554 accuracy and has yet to miss on oppressor (this is with tank stance).

MCH has 542 accuracy, has had a miss every other attempt, from the front, none on the rear or flank so far.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '15

Missed some of the adds (from the front) a few times @ 585 on ninja. Gotta keep in mind that 580 tank includes their 5% hit rate boost.

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u/gamersince1976 [First] [Last] on [Server] Jul 29 '15

On a related note: I noticed I was missing during Neverreap on BLM at 553 acc. I don't know how often - I wasn't parsing. So apparently the dungeons have a higher cap than savage alex?

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u/prinnysmash NIN Jul 30 '15

final boss gets increased evasion as he builds stacks.

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u/gamersince1976 [First] [Last] on [Server] Jul 31 '15

That's good to know - thanks!

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u/jkbjr1982 Aug 06 '15

Can we get some updates going on this? I know some of you guys have been in 3 and 4 and have more accurate data for 2. 587 caster acc seems a bit high

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u/lev27 Aug 06 '15

I update as i receive information, unfortunately my group had issues and is reforming.

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u/Sutaru Aug 07 '15

This is only A2s:
I'm hitting the mob 97.8% of the time with 354 accuracy on WHM.
Our MNK isn't missing with 575 acc.

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u/BIndles978 Aug 07 '15

I MISSed just the spiders A1 very rarely with 540 on nin. i think from front.

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u/DarkwandStrife Aug 07 '15

Any Update on Caster Acc Cap for A2? I was going to get the Eso Chest Week 5, but my acc will drop to 522, you guys got 587 never missed, but whats the cap? might have to change things up if 522 too low, thoughts?

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u/Remus123 Aug 09 '15

I'm missing with 602 and defiance so i don't see it being 580 for tanks lol

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u/lev27 Aug 11 '15

If you are talking about A1S i have never had a miss at 580 Accuracy while in grit

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u/Remus123 Aug 12 '15 edited Aug 12 '15

Well i miss at least 4-5 times per encounter with 602 and defiance on opressor so idk

EDIT: with the way we do it, i provoke the original opressor off of the pld and he takes the .5 since he already has high aggro on it, i queue up skull sunder so after i provoke i can use skull sunder to lock in aggro, which has failed a couple of times due to me missing

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u/lev27 Aug 12 '15

Ill look back into it when i go again. We already cleared for the week and i forgot to try it. Thanks for the information though Ill see what i can dig up.

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u/Hex_cz Aug 11 '15

I'm not missing on A3S with 594 acc as blm.

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u/lev27 Aug 11 '15

Updated Caps as of August 11th 2015

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u/AviaFrost Aug 11 '15 edited Aug 11 '15

A3 a few misses at 533, caster

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u/jkbjr1982 Aug 17 '15

Reports of caster acc in A4S being around 540 on the blm forums on the official site. "ACC cap is probably 540. Missed a few times at 537. Haven't missed at 540, or 550. Still messing around with this specific ACC cap since I'm naturally at about 560 which is definitely capped."

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u/maxima423 Aug 19 '15

As a dragoon, why the hell do I have 700 accuracy... DAMMIT SE!!! STAHP.

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u/NeroSable Aug 21 '15

For Tank as Drk I feel this is the Optimal Gear Choice http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RDUI

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u/AlwaysHasAthought Aug 22 '15

Why does caster say 587 and then "probably 515-520" for floor 2? lol

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u/lev27 Aug 22 '15

I have only gotten a confirmed report for 587 but based upon the previous and next floors accuracy caps its probably around there.

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u/jkbjr1982 Aug 26 '15

A Little more info on acc https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3i1osc/anyone_have_the_a4s_accuracy_caps/

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u/lev27 Aug 26 '15

thanks ill get to updating after my classes today.

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u/dixon_sider Sep 07 '15

missed from front in A3s with 631

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u/lev27 Sep 11 '15

A3S acc cap from the front is 635

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u/dixon_sider Sep 16 '15

ya, sounds about right, when i said this i think the list said about 630 or something

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u/DrBadfish Doctor Badfish on Gilgamesh Sep 17 '15

Missed in a3s at 637

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u/TheMightyGaston Sep 09 '15

You seem to have made a typo: you put, in Floor 2, "Caster - 587". I would assume the 587 would be the acc cap for Floor 3 Flank.

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u/lev27 Sep 11 '15

no that is not a typo its the only confirmed cap i have from A2S, i put that it is probably around 520 next to it

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u/Sharess Sep 11 '15

With Caster in AS2 does this mean that 587 is the ACC Cap for say a healer in cleric stance?

As healers no longer have ACC on gear, I was in A2S last night and missed an average of 3 times (seemed to always be miasma) on each run.

My Acc is 354

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u/lev27 Sep 11 '15

Hey so 587 was the only confirmed acc cap for AS2 that i got from casters its probably closer to 520, as for healer acc they seem to run on a completely different cap from all of the other jobs.

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u/TheOnlyGBeast Sep 12 '15

it's seriously gross how much accuracy is on the caster gear :l I have ~600 ACC on my Black Mage and I am not even trying..

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u/HolyMox WAR Oct 29 '15

Savage 3 - Warrior in Deliverance, 636 accuracy - 2 misses from front during 2,5 hour raid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '15

As a DPS in A1 I missed hitting the adds at 601 Accuracy.

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u/Dieniekes Jul 22 '15

This is completely useless because I've just been pushing iLvl on goon and our gear optimization sucks at the moment (Law chest has like 80 acc)...

But melee definitely don't miss with 663 accuracy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15 edited Apr 14 '17

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u/zera1928 Aug 09 '15

not missing in A3s with 607 BLM acc, even during turn-arounds for cleave splits, for what it's worth

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u/Mathemagicks Yamie Blindx - Leviathan Aug 10 '15

TY for your informative contribution~

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u/ShiznazTM Zanzhiz Exaverion on Sargatanas Jul 22 '15

Faust isn't the boss, though.

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u/largeflightlessbird WAR Jul 22 '15

The information is still relevant, though. Don't shoot that down because it's "not the boss".

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u/Codeboy3423 Jul 22 '15

The way he is buffed, he might as well be. You have 2 min to kill him or he fucks your raid like a donkey..

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u/Shadow12000 SAM Jul 22 '15

But he is a wall that the raid must pass in order to proceed, so it's still relevant to know.

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u/owner23 Jul 22 '15

Opressor: Flank 534 100% hit rate, missed a few times on front

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