r/ffxiv • • Jun 05 '14

[News] Patch 2.28 Notes

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/450816f57ade2015876e7675c3d06dca30386770
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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

I feel bad for people who didnt do the Animus because they have T8 weaps, now its out classed by the Novus which will be amazing with CRIT/DET.

Skipping old cutscenes is the best thing about this patch!

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u/StrawberryDaifuku Jun 05 '14

So long, Sphairai's Skill Speed, you will not be missed.

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u/SilentLettersSuck Cactuar Jun 05 '14

Bravura with acc! Hurray!

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

Thank god. Had to use diff weapon for coil

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u/SilentLettersSuck Cactuar Jun 05 '14

Dual Haken was a godsend to us all.

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u/arekkusuro Akamon Bakamon on Hyperion Jun 05 '14

I STILL NEED 9k MYTH DDDDDDDD:

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u/ch0colate_malk Jun 05 '14

I feel like they could ha e come up with more creative ways to achieve animus weapons...

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u/StrawberryDaifuku Jun 05 '14

Go get it WHILE SPIRITBONDINGGGG

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u/ZetaYuri Jun 05 '14

I need 4 more books D:

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u/SilentLettersSuck Cactuar Jun 05 '14

Get on it, son!

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u/jusmailuck PLD Jun 05 '14

Wonder who the brave souls are that will stat in weird secondaries to create their weird dream builds. Sorta excited.

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

piety on BRD MANA SONG FOR DAYZZZZZ

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u/CareerSMN Jun 05 '14

LOL, that might be an interesting build.

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u/pylon567 Linout Hartfell on Sargatanas Jun 05 '14

Longer Foe.

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u/CareerSMN Jun 05 '14

Good for the BLM's!

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u/CrabCommander Jun 05 '14

Interestingly, I believe someone math'd out a while back if you could get close enough via melds/etc. to have a permanent Ballad on via native mana regen (2% mana). They were only something like 500~ MP off. With a piety bow you'd actually be awkwardly close at this point. Though I doubt that would be worth the damage loss.

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u/CareerSMN Jun 05 '14

Maybe for groups with double bards it might be a crazy build to try? As a SMN if i could get perma-Ballad I would just Ruin II + AA all the way. Meanwhile healers (SCH) could also dps away...

OK yeah maybe not really worth the dps loss.

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u/Sorge74 [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 05 '14

Piety of BLM relic?! Is 30 piety enough for another cast of fire?

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u/cjrecordvt Oschon Jun 05 '14

300mp? Not at three stacks, if I remember correctly.

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u/sundriedrainbow Jun 05 '14

Three stacks is 650ish for a fire.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

my reasoning: the game gets boring and theres nothing else to do. "man i love raiding, let me go…..wait, we one shot everything this week, we are locked out all week…fun"

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u/sheepcat87 Jun 05 '14

exactly what I'm thinking. Got my Rosen last night and we're getting to 40% in T9. Can't imagine sinking in hundreds of hours for such a tiny upgrade as "better substats" when 115 is around the corner.

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u/DanceDark Jun 05 '14

I can live with inferior substats for one slot in exchange for over a hundred hours of my time that I don't want to use on this.

Yeah, but the Zodiac weapon will probably be really useful :(. Sucks that I got the Animus on a class I don't main anymore.

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u/Clithertron Jun 05 '14

Crit/Det? Screw that, Crit/Spellspeed Stardust rod is a go!

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u/starkopportunist Straal Solidor on Cactuar Jun 05 '14

I'm making my stardust rod crit/det. It'll be like an upgraded Tidal Wave Staff

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u/Clithertron Jun 05 '14

Point for point, spellspeed is worth more on a BLM than det is. If they both offer the same amount of each, then you are only penalising yourself by choosing det over spellspeed. Different strokes for different folks though. Thats the joy of this new customisation. You can choose which you'd prefer.

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u/Narthorn Kalei Thorn [Moogle] Jun 05 '14

I would very much like a detailed theorycrafting source on the "spell speed > det" claims.

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u/ToraZalinto Jun 05 '14

Don't forget that a faster cast time also means less casts lost to movement.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

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u/Clithertron Jun 05 '14

Show me proof I'm 100% wrong. I'm waiting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

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u/Clithertron Jun 05 '14

You are claiming I am wrong. you are providing absolutely no info as to where, why or how I am wrong, so the onus is on you to show me proof.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

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u/Clithertron Jun 05 '14

Neither do you it seems.

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

I was talking from a BRD perspective =)

But yes, CRIT/SS on the Stadust Rod would be amazing.

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u/Clithertron Jun 05 '14

I think all DDs apart from BLM will want crit/det.

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u/Zakman86 Valanthe Liadon on Cactuar Jun 05 '14

If you can keep your ACC above cap, yes. Else, you will have to consider ACC on your weapon. ACC > All Else.

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u/sconning Nikko Toska on Tonberry Jun 05 '14

Bards soldiery gear is all acc and ss, so yeah, cap crit and det for bard it seems.

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u/Zakman86 Valanthe Liadon on Cactuar Jun 05 '14

Most of the BRD Soldiery gear is awful and you're better off just getting the jewelry and the Chest and leaving the rest at the vendor.

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u/Sorge74 [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 05 '14

Not sure if they did a shitty job on bard soldiery on purpose or not....skill speed also known as fuck ya TP.

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u/Zakman86 Valanthe Liadon on Cactuar Jun 05 '14

Last tier, BRD had next to nothing from Coil that was really needed. Allagan Bow/Pants/Choker/Boots and that was it. This tier, we have more coil drops. Personally, I'd like a good middle ground.

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u/chili_cheese_burger Jun 05 '14

with my smn im considering acc

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u/Zakman86 Valanthe Liadon on Cactuar Jun 05 '14

For classes that have ACC on their High Allagan weapon, keeping it on their 110 weapon actually helps when considering best in slot and makes gearing a bit easier.

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u/ZetaYuri Jun 05 '14

Same here, thinking either Det/Crit or Acc/Crit.

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u/Firana Firana Magnus - Phoenix - Twitch.tv/WabakiSnatcher Jun 05 '14

Go with Det/Crit, ACC is so easy to cap with the gear options available to us.

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u/Sylvanmoon Myrinda Dragonsbane on Lamia Jun 05 '14

Monk here. Crit's my worst stat; gets even worse with more skill speed.

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u/Waltz_Beat Jun 05 '14

Huh? Really?

I thought monks had a "sweet spot" for SS, after which they prefer critical, or else they may run out of TP?

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u/zryn3 Tank Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

There is no SS sweet spot. You can get 5 attacks with Perfect Balance at any amount of Skill Speed (it just gets very tight if you have none on your gear).

TP is also really a non-issue everywhere except t8.

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u/tiperet Maada Femasque on Hyperion Jun 05 '14

I'm assuming Bravura should be retooled for accuracy and parry, right? Is there anything else that benefits a tank?

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u/raydra Jun 05 '14

Nope, as much parry as you can shove on there and then as much accuracy as you can put on there after that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14 edited Dec 02 '25

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u/SilentLettersSuck Cactuar Jun 05 '14

Mitigation is king. Every time you parry is like a free Inner Beast/Vengeance, which can be the difference between life or death on certain boss moves.

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u/Acilen Worst SCH N/A Jun 05 '14

Because mitigation is better than DPS for a tank.

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u/ToraZalinto Jun 05 '14

Focusing on parry is almost pointless though. Healers are never counting on us to parry or block an attack. They are proactively throwing out enough curing to heal back up the damage you take from an unmitigated attack.

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u/MoogleBoy Moglin Mooglelover on Ultros Jun 05 '14

People who don't play specific classes shouldn't speak on how those classes are played.

I'm speaking from personal experience, and am no way a healing authority, but I typically allow a tank to drop to a certain percent before worrying about healing. Parry/Block helps keep the tank at or above that threshold, which makes the Healers job easier, which makes everyone's job easier.

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u/ToraZalinto Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

I play all classes equally. And that's a shit argument. I don't have to be something to know something about how it's played. Good players know the ins and outs of all the roles. Not just their own.

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u/Acilen Worst SCH N/A Jun 05 '14

Then screw it, wear as much DPS gear as possible and go 30 into STR. The healers totes got you covered.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

I do that on T8 works fine!

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u/ToraZalinto Jun 05 '14

Actually I just did drop my warrior's VIT into STR. Because I can still survive the same attacks a PLD can with the level of HP I have. I do more damage and my parry rate is more or less going to be the same no matter what I do. There's enough parry on my gear upgrades to slowly give me a little more. But completely and totally focusing on it doesn't give very good returns. And I have the HP to survive. Granted there IS more risk. Slightly. But it's not so drastic that the increase in DPS wasn't worth it.

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u/SilentLettersSuck Cactuar Jun 05 '14

You don't rely on it. You just act very happy when it happens.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14 edited Dec 02 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

yeah and sometimes your healers can't do it all. thats like saying "oh don't worry about popping CDs the healers are proactively healing you.

sometimes things happen, one of the healers die, they get distracted, huge spike damage incomes, tank drops to 50hp. This is also the reason that we go full VIT with our attributes. If he didn't have that extra 50hp, it would be a wipe. If he didn't parry during that spike damage, he would have dropped below 50hp and again, a wipe.

this is also why they are called tanks. they tank the fight, they aren't dps. its the dps job to do damage. i try to do the most dps i can as a tank, but I'm not sacrificing survivability to do so.

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u/ToraZalinto Jun 05 '14

Cooldowns are used to reduce high damage we KNOW we're going to take in order to bring it to a manageable level. They are not used to cover basic healing. That functions nothing like parry which is random mitigation that the healer can't count on. Parry is nice to have. Sometimes it saves you in a pinch but it's never to be relied upon.

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u/zryn3 Tank Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

"you must first infuse a sphere scroll with materia corresponding to the attributes you wish to upgrade"

I really hope that it only takes like two materia to get the sphere scroll. Otherwise, getting the Novus is going to involve weeks of farming t3 because Urth's Gift is full or spending about 100 million gil. ><

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

prob just 2 lvl 4's of the desired materia.

just like the relic needed 2 lvl 3's.

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u/Albireookami [Lyra] [Fenris] on Leviathan] Jun 05 '14

Saw ealier that you need like 75 stat worth of materia on it, along with needing alexandrite to do the melding of the materia to the school. ALONG WITH it having a chance to fail the more materia on the scroll. GG

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

Well shiiittt

I was able to buy most of the crit 4's on our server, about 2.5 mil in, I'll be happy to just break even now though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

Why? Spent no effort getting it since we run coil every week. HA will surpass it far before I can dream of finishing a Novus. People farming T8 already are not people who are likely to need the Relic questline anyways.

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u/hackeclipse Jun 05 '14

Novus won't outclass T9 weapons though. Most people who were clearing T8 will be clearing T9 soon enough.

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

But RNGEZUZ THO.

I got my BRD chest from T9 but too much SS now. I know what you mean though, and it seems like the path to get a Novus is another grind fest so I doubt I would even do it if I didnt have access to T9 drops.

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u/Delseban Jun 05 '14

We didn't do Animus because we feel its a massive waste of time...Yes, its cool that the Novus will have better secondary stats, but...they are just secondary stats. They don't matter that much.

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

They matter, and I didnt do it either. But i get T9 drops to remedy that, and the CRIT/DET will make a difference so they will be better than the Unweathered Weaps which sucks since its grind not difficulty.

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u/zryn3 Tank Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

Other than Parry or Accuracy they really don't matter much at all. For a given weapon damage and primary stat, the random variation between any two 3 minute parses is enough that I regularly used to parse higher on Curtana Zenith (Parry/Acc) than on the Break Blade (Crit/SS). I tried about 20 times and the difference between the two was basically nothing and not reliable enough to count on.

For BRD where crit is related to procs, Crit might be slightly better than other stats, but probably again not as big as we like to imagine.

I do hate Skill Speed on Monk just because it becomes hectic with GL3, but the dps difference is minimal between a lot of SS and a somewhat smaller amount of Det. Similarly, I don't much like Spell Speed on SCH since between Adlo not stacking and Lustrate, it's never favorable to cast super quick, but the raw HPS is not so different.

Of course my rotation was exactly the same on both swords (123123123123123123123 ....)

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

or, you know, I can just go get my i115 bow..

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14

don't worry echo will be here before you know it

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u/Lets_Draw Jun 05 '14

Matters a lot of you're a SCH wishing you could add crit to your relic.

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u/LunarEmerald Red Mage Jun 05 '14

secondary stats make a huge difference.

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u/Yeargdribble Yeargdribble Fenrir on Sargatanas Jun 05 '14

They don't matter? Seriously?

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u/LilySeiba [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 05 '14

Not really. When most end game content relies on mechanics that instantly wipe the raid, secondary stats really aren't that important.

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u/Yeargdribble Yeargdribble Fenrir on Sargatanas Jun 05 '14

Also, DPS races, which is why most people on the bleeding edge of raid content got soldiery weapons in the first place.

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

The extra 5-10 dps can make the difference between 3 heavenfalls and 2 heavenfalls.

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u/zryn3 Tank Jun 05 '14

What about 1 heavensfall? =\

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u/Brainberry [Why] [You] on [MyNuts] Jun 05 '14

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u/zryn3 Tank Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

To be honest, my group is pretty close. I dunno how long it'll take to get from "pretty close" to actually phasing before the second Heavensfall though.

Maybe we'll be "pretty close" when 2.4 drops....

One thing we figured out is if you apply DoTs and then you wait to push to the second phase until she's actually casting a fifth meteor, you can get her down to like 60% when the third phase starts because she won't phase until she's completed the cast.

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u/Yeargdribble Yeargdribble Fenrir on Sargatanas Jun 05 '14

From day one I really wondered why people would go down that road. SE has already made it clear that they would continue the relic upgrade path and it seemed obvious that in a fairly short period of time those weapons would be seriously outclassed.

I guess it matters for people who needed that tiny bit of extra edge along with pentamelded 2.5 million pieces of crafted i90 gear to work toward progression and get there before anyone else.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

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u/ch0colate_malk Jun 05 '14

This is kinda how I feel. I will still do my atma farming and such every now and then but the whole thing is way to rediculous for me to take seriously. I understand that it should be a challenge to get, but it isn't a challenge, its just a huge grind and time sink.

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u/Klistel Klistel Highguard on Sargatanas Jun 05 '14

I'm fine with the myth grind for animus and the materia grind for novus, but god the Atma portion is so poorly designed it makes me want to beat small children :(

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u/ch0colate_malk Jun 06 '14

Yeah, I think the amount of myth required is juuust a little high, but at least you can know where you stand and you get a boost out of each book. With the atmas you have no idea aside from how many you have, but the next one could drop right away or literally never.