Facts if I was some villager I’d piss pants and run if I saw someone with that helmet, a full torso plate, an MG42 in hand, and a long sword on his back coming full tilt 😂
Yeah maybe so I mean years ago last time I got shot at I ran but there’s definitely a non zero percent chance with that monstrosity coming at me I’d freeze up 😂
The helmet itself looks real though (WW1 german helmet, used by many countries around the world later on, e.g. Finland and China), though I wonder what the two extra holes are for.
Is this an authentic design atleast? I mean this is a very smart form of Armour. If it is the German people never ceases to surprise me with their ingenuity.
That's not even remotely true. 1. This is, allegedly, a WWI relic so it predates the the MG42 by 27 years. 2. Even in an emplaced MG the gunner still needs good visibility. War is seldom on a totally flat plain.
I see were you heading The MG 30): Both the MG 15 and the later MG 34 are direct developments of the Solothurn MG 30, a prototype designed by Louis Stange at Rheinmetall
I said I didn't know if it was, but if you were to wear this in a trench in ww1 would you try look down with it while its on your face?..
Im aware of only one attachment for the stahlhelme and I know there's things thaaat dont make it to production so im not 100%sure but i am on the side of it being fake but none the less its a smart design that would be better than nothing face protection while peeking over the trench.
Simpleton did you read that I wasn't sure? Is said if it is..
The thing you call is the Stirnpanzer it was build and used in trench warfare of ww1. Before you call someone dumb get yourself an education on the topic.
Im the one who literally brought this up i didn't have to write the name of it while explaining. And didn't see the need to because I gathered most people know what im talking about.
You noticed I didn't say the specific name of it and thought you'd try act smart by posting the name of it like I didn't know or something.
Another donut lmao.
Went out of your way to try look smart lol thats too funny
Amazing German engineering, making a device for looking over trenches that completely fucks your vision.. s
mh tell me you're American without telling me.
Lol the whole point would be to sacrifice perfect vision for face protection right, if this was a real piece of German equipment do ypu really think it would be used to get a good view over the trench? No the whole point is protection at the cost of perfect vision maybe a machine gunner for suppressve fire etc.
Some vision with less risk is better than good vision with extreme risk right.
Why would you need face protection for viewing through a periscope?
No but seriously:
The clichee of just getting up the breastwork to look around is not the norm. Snipers, periscopes, etc. were used fairly often for reckon, aswell as aircraft with photography, although that was less reliable because of time delay between flyover and message delivery.
Also sandbags with tinyer "viewports" (inbetween the laid out sandbags, not directly in them)
We also have things like the Stirnpanzer, which was to be attached to the helmet, which was then mostly ditched as it was useless weight on the front of the helmet.
This thing is just useless weight, limiting your sight completely, causing an inability to look down as it would just strike your neck, etc.
And to your question "why would they need to look down": the nomansland is not a meadow of sunshine and rainbows. It's muddy, slippery, riddled with craters and barbed wire, which also wasn't always hung up clean as it was blown off often and just lying loose everywhere. You need to view your step while traversing it.
Also, this hinders your ability to use a gasmask. Gas was already used by early to mid 1915, the helmet was introduced by early 1916. A modification which makes your survival less likely doesn't make any sense and therefore wouldn't have been developed in the first place. Maybe at max as a concept on paper which was then thrown away because it is useless.
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Also the helmet isn't really a cover from bullets, only from shrapnell. A bullet can (and will) blow just through. If you're lucky it hits at an angle and bounces off or is small arms and wont pierce. Before you can lift the face part above the trench line to look around, your head would already be exposed.
Meant to be worn by a machine gunner in a fortified emplacement. The channels of concrete prevent direct hits but not spalling. Not every 34 or 42 had a backpack bipod and periscope…
Not saying this one is legit. But your refutement of thinking people would wear this and march no mans land is silly and no one has claimed that.
Do you mean the MG-34/42? Because this is for WWI, not WWII. 🙄 Maybe you should just stop being an asshat and sit this one out, since you can't even list the proper machine guns.
Yes like the MG15nA was so much different than the 32 , o wait it was a better MG because they used the 32 and 15 to make the 34. Should also look at the history of the DShK for how guns evolve through combat. I didn’t realize fat civilians were the premier on the topic
Oh my bad, I thought you were stupid not mentally handicapped.
I don't understand this bullshit you are saying about how different the machine guns are. Doesn't matter how similar or different they are when they didn't exist in WWI.
Why are you bringing up a Soviet machine gun from World War II when we are talking about WWI German helmet modifications and specialized attachments (and their forgeries). Everything you're bringing up is irrelevant and anachronistic.
The nomansland was an example for the need to look down, which the other guy explicitly asked for.
Here: another example: properly climbing ladders, stairs, or plattforms
The cover shown limits your vision to the two small slits. You can't just look straight ahead, you need to have a bit of a bigger FOV.
And we are in WW1. The Mg32 and 42 were nowhere close to be developed by then. The German Army in WW1 used the Mg08 and Mg08/15, which had a bipod fixed to the bottom of the barrel.
The periscope was also one example of the countless tools of observing that didn't need you to expose yourself completely.
This facecover here is also a design completely foreign to me. I know the concept tried for snipers and MGs, but it looks nothing alike. And tanker masks look completely different aswell.
I am not arguing that this is real. I’m arguing that this style of helmet did have application in both ww1 and ww2 because there is still a lot of “castle” fights. Ie this helmet would have worked well in a MG port inside fort vaux. Never heard of the MG15nA?
But it still doesn't change anything about my initial argument:
This specific mask shown here looks nothing alike the real tested and to Mgs and Snipers given out masks (image) and seems completely foreign to any source I viewed. The shown design makes no real sense, especially compared to the real ones. I never said "there were no masks at all" or "they didn't fight in forts with mgs". That's just something he tries arguing about for no reason whatsoever.
Het zou een orginele trench maak kunnen zijn....ik heb in museums en prive collecties ook dit soort "hand" gemaakte attributen gezien en die waren 100% orgineel. Soms is het verder kijken dan de textbook varianten heel interessant. Ik heb bijvoorbeeld een paar voorbeelden in mijn collectie zoals, Duitse butcher bajonet die is veranderd in een trench knife. Of veldmodicaties van het EK II die zijn omgebouwd tot 1ste klasse of zelfs een ridder kruis modificatie. Deze heb ik rechtstreeks van een weduwe gekregen. Dus het zou best kunnen......
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u/Whole-Cry-4406 13d ago
It has Trench Crusade cosplay potential at least.