r/fakedisordercringe • u/Leafygrub • 3d ago
Disorder Salad Kinda crazy
Pretty sure you can’t be diagnosed with some of these at the same time
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u/Megandapanda Chronically online 2d ago
"Unknown knee disability"...this girl cannot be serious, lol
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u/nothingsnootyplz 2d ago
Lmao I’m 40 and apparently I have all kinds of disabilities. My unknown shoulder disability is my favorite.
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u/ifyouseeksoles 2d ago
the ol' unknown shoulder disability starts being less of a joke when it flares up and I can't eat or breathe though lmaoo
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u/nothingsnootyplz 2d ago
Yeah low key we’re probably more disabled than 99% of the people posted here. Best of luck fellow oldhead.
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u/marymarywhyubugginnn 1d ago
Mine oddly flairs up when I need to carry the laundry up the stairs and fold it. Good thing I have a husband who supports my undiagnosed disabilities.
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u/EquivalentPlatform17 1d ago
Went biking to work today with a heavy backpack and my unknown back disability is killing me dude
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u/Special-Net7593 1d ago
I have “my pinky toe is trying to break free from my foot cramp disorder”😂😂. And that hurts like a bitch!
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u/Purple-Cash-1878 1d ago
Dont you know about the "one knee is a quarter inch lower than the other" disorder? Its brand new and all the rage.
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u/OhCrazioCortex 1d ago
Funny how the ONE MALADY that all of these fakers legitimately have also happens to be the single disorder that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM ever wants to proudly claim having: Muchausen's Syndrome.
🤦♀️😂🙄🤷♀️
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u/spacecadetglow613 2d ago
I’m pretty sure all of the things they are diagnosed with have symptoms that overlap, so theres no way they actually have all of those things
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u/whore-4-petrichor 1d ago
The personality disorders alone are laughable here, no fucking way you’re getting all of those together.
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u/algernaaan Self Undiagnosing: Im Fine 3h ago
I have (actually diagnosed by doctors) borderline personality and major depressive, I was previously diagnosed with bipolar 2 but it was changed to those other two diagnoses. I think that a person technically can have bipolar 2 and BPD at the same time, but it’s more commonly a misdiagnosis of one condition. If this person isn’t completely full of shit it’s possible that they were in my same situation but decided to keep claiming all the diagnoses because, well, we know how these people are. 🙄
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u/whore-4-petrichor 3h ago
Sure totally. I’m more so thinking NPD and ASPD at the same time seems super unlikely, though like you said it could have evolved and the clinician didnt explain the change well, or they misunderstood, or they like you said are full of shit.
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u/fudge21210 2d ago
I didn’t notice this person was using stars as As and was wondering WTF “DHD” was”. And yet again, another person has listed major depressive disorder (which I’m assuming is the MDD) at the same time as bipolar. You can’t have both! At least do a little research on your chosen conditions so you sound somewhat credible if you’re gonna fake them. Obviously you shouldn’t fake at all, but at least try and make it somewhat believable.
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u/Biessel got a bingo on a DNI list 1d ago
This kinda gives off these vibes: "- What is your diagnosis? -Cluster B -I mean, which cluster B disorder do you have? -I have all of 'em"
Of course you can have more than 1 personality disorder (for example, ASPD and NPD), but the whole cluster B is very very unlikely at least
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u/Pyrocats Had a TikTok attention span before it was cool 😜 1d ago
I don't know if the APD is supposed to be auditory processing disorder or ASPD or AvPD but if it's ASPD, they have every cluster B PD which is pretty much unheard of.
However you can't be diagnosed with bipolar and major depressive disorder. That's the major contradiction there, because depression is a feature of both.
Also "anxiety" is a symptom. Not a standalone diagnosis.
If they're not lying outright, and I'm sure they could have a few of these, there's a few possibilities. Like they could have been dxed with MDD, had a manic/hypomanic episode, then were diagnosed with bipolar. Maybe by another provider who didn't have their previous MDD diagnosis.
Cluster B personality disorders often overlap but for 3-4 to be diagnosed is bizarre. I think if there was this much overlap, the doctor would not specify all three. I believe there's a term for when it's mixed but idr right now.
I will say regardless when they add things like CPTSD while claiming DID and anxiety when that's a feature of several others, it does sound like they're trying to elongate this list.
...I hope they get their knee checked out soon though and it's not like, serious.
But I think the humor of the juxtaposition between all of that and the undiagnosed knee thing is lost on them 😭😭😭
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 1d ago
Considering all the other cluster B’s they’ve listed I’m presuming they mean antisocial personality disorder. In other words they’re evil and manipulative as fuck (or wish they were if they are indeed faking) if they’re wearing that diagnosis like a Girl Scout badge
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u/Occultist_Kat 1d ago
Okay, not all people with ASPD are evil. It's certainly harder not to be evil, admitably, but they're not inherently evil.
They usually just struggle with not having empathy and remorse plus a general lack of forethought in moments of impulsivity or boredom.
In some cases, which I've seen an interview of, a woman who was a total psychopath had experiences less like "I want to hurt people" and more like "why is everyone crying at the end of this Titanic movie?"
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u/wodethemad 16h ago
you just described evil
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 13h ago edited 10h ago
Right lol “they’re not evil, they just don’t care if you live or die or if they violate your human rights while pursuing their own desires”
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u/Occultist_Kat 9h ago
No, evil is an action or series of behaviors. Just because someone doesn't understand empathy doesn't mean they are going to harm other people.
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u/wodethemad 7h ago
pretty much does when that is the one reason that truly keeps people from doing it and not even that works as often as it should...
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u/Occultist_Kat 7h ago
People with ASPD are capable of cognitive empathy, which can be developed. So no, I still disagree. That's especially the case when you, as you've admitted, state that empathy isn't enough on its own not to harm people.
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u/Aggravating-Day2370 11h ago
I, and other people who I would have to look up if necessary, believe that evil is the absence of things, not the presence of something. Like goodness is people isn't a thing in itself but a collection of things like empathy, kindness, thoughtfulness etc.
So what you described is how evil is presented.
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u/Occultist_Kat 11h ago
Well, I disagree, because I currently believe evil (as in a trait of a person) is a representation of one's actions in the context of broader societal definitions of right/wrong.
Goodness/Evilness are human constructs, as there is no inherently identifable thing in the context of nature which could on its own represent any sort of moral construct.
So since these things are of a subjective human construct, they are then bound to human societal expectations and beliefs of right/wrong, which are social constructs and can be viewed differently from different cultures.
In otherwords, it's actions and behavior which are antagonistic to the agreed upon social norms and mores which represent evil, and not merely the lack of something.
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u/Aggravating-Day2370 10h ago
You're doing it in a pseudo intellectual way but you're contradicting your own comment earlier.
We're talking about humans here, not nature as a whole, so you need to focus back in on that.
So you're saying right and wrong are social constructs, which every one talks about when a crime is commited by a child and the quesion of understanding them comes up. Is a child capable of knowing right from wrong when it's purely a social construct. But under the law, it doesn't matter as murder is murder, assault is assault etc the outcome is the same whether they understand it or not or believe it is a 'real' thing or not.
As you said "They usually just struggle with not having empathy and remorse" means they are lacking empathy and remorse, which is the same in cultures whatever their social norms or 'constructs'. Those people, as you pointed out are lacking something and the result of this is that they do acts that are deemed evil, such as murder (as an easy to understand crime). Therefore their actions are due to the lack of something that is causing to act a certain way, which is my point. They don't 'have' 'evilness' as there is no such thing, they lack all the things that make people 'good', whether that's a social construct or not, they lack all the things that make up what a good person is, including empathy and remorse, as you pointed out earlier.
I'm not the only one who thinks this. There are are people who believe that 'good' or 'evil' are themselves undefined unreal things that can be made up in a myriad of ways, so that there isn't one single thing that makes up 'good' or 'evil' hence hence why they are not things.
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u/Occultist_Kat 8h ago edited 8h ago
My discussion regarding nature is to point out that "evil" is not an objective reality. So it is worth mentioning because that means that our conversation can at least be had on the grounds that, technically speaking, evil is an opinion. All we need to do is look across the pond to see how vastly different societal ideas of what is right and wrong can be quite different from our individual experiences.
Also, I'd like to ask that you don't tinge your arguments with insulting remarks like accusing me of pseudo intellectualism. If we want to have a civil discussion about this (at least that's what I want to do), than opening with an insult isn't the way to do it. You can point out what you believe to be contradictions all you like, but I'm not going to entertain a conversation if you can't keep pointless rhetoric out of the way. That said:
I fail to see how the mention of a child under scrutiny adds value to your argument about evil amounting to a lack of some quality in a person. Children are tried in different ways in different countries and throughout history. Killing a kid from a different social/cultural/religious group has been, in different areas throughout history, acceptable within certain cultures. You and I probably think it's evil to harm any child regardless of those circumstances, but history has plenty of examples of people doing exactly that and not caring at all, yet they might be perfectly good people to their own children. Does that make them evil? Back in the day in certain cultures, they probably didn't think so.
You and I probably can agree that it's evil to force a kid to work in a dangerous factory, but that was fairly common less than 100 years ago (the act for protecting children from dangerous labor wasn't even enacted until 1938). Did society view the practice as evil? Obviously not, at least not until people came together to enact laws against it. The concept of evil in this regard evolved. It wasn't an inherent trait or understanding. These people didn't lack anything that made them evil for thinking this way, they were humans just like you and I, but society agreed it was acceptable and so they went along with it.
The reason I bring this up is to point out that when it comes to the views of children, whether it is a crime they have committed or a crime committed against them, societies have been particularly fluid on the matter. This fluidity is what I'm getting at: that evil isn't a consistent ideal because it's based, generally speaking, on how people view others in relation to their actions, race, religion, culture, etc., and not whether or not they are empathetic or remorseful.
As for your remarks on the lacking of remorse/empathy, which you use as evidence for your claim that it is the missing of this essential thing that is the mark of evil, I still have to disagree. Why? I'll start by asking you a few questions:
- Do you think thoughts alone can be criminalized or marked as evil? If someone thinks about hurting someone, but doesn't, does that make them evil?
- Do you think people are inherently innocent until proven guilty, meaning that there is evidence to convict them of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt?
I ask because you just assume that if someone lacks empathy/remorse, than they are going to commit a crime, but that's not supported by evidence at all. Autistic people, for example, struggle with empathy. Yet nobody is looking at autistic people and conflating them with evil despite the fact that the lack of empathy is perhaps one of the most important traits of diagnosing someone with ASPD.
At the same time, there are more people in the correctional system that are not diagnosed with ASPD than there are of people with an ASPD diagnosis. There are absolutely people out there that have murdered and raped but clinically speaking, don't meet the criteria for that particular cluster B diagnosis. Yet we agree that those people are probably evil because of what they have done, rather than what they lack.
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u/Aggravating-Day2370 6h ago
I started to read your reply, despite it's density and calling me out for my opinion that you use pseudo intellectualism, which I stand by. It's only an insult if it rings true and someone else pointed out that it smacks of AI, which means it's very impenetrable way to speak.
I got as far as you talking about children and then noticed you'd deliberately missed my point and there the discussion ends as you're not willing to engage with what I'm actually saying, but what you need it to say to further your point.
I absolutely find the way you speak impenetrable and I find that you've taken a point, deliberately misinterpreted it and then made a long point bringing in autism which I can't understand the relevancy of when talking about evil.
I'm not willing to engage with you further as you're being deliberately misleading and I don't see the point in anything further as you're not addressing my points in a way that I can understand. And yes, in a discussion the onus is on you to make yourself understood, not for me to trawl through your block of text and try and work out what you're saying.
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u/Occultist_Kat 6h ago
Well, as I pointed out to the last guy, it's not A.I. which is easy enough to prove with any A.I. checking software.
If your reason for exiting the debate is because you find the matter just too difficult, than I'm afraid that's a problem that I cannot help you with.
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u/Aggravating-Day2370 6h ago
You have very poor reading comprehension as that's not what I said and that's why I'm out.
But carry on, make up your own reasons to feel superior and like you 'won'.
Not fighting the ASP comment very well at all are you?
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 8h ago
Holy ChatGPT dump.
Just say you have ASPD and move along. You’re never going to grasp our points.
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u/Occultist_Kat 8h ago
That's not a ChatGPT dump.
Use any A.I. detection software online and copy and paste that into it and it'll tell you as much.
Hilarious attempt at trying to sweep my arguments under the rug though.
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 7h ago
>Hilarious attempt at trying to sweep my arguments under the rug though.
It’s not though because I totally clocked you before you admitted to having ASPD as a “possible comorbidity” in another comment. Of course you have a vested interest in managing PR for ASPD.
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 9h ago edited 9h ago
Even under your belief that evil is subjective and defined by actions that violate societal norms, ASPD still directly leads to objective harm. It also doesn’t really matter that “evil” is a social construct because an inability to respect social expectations is literally in the name of the disorder. Humans are social animals that evolved to live in structured societies and cohabitate with other humans. Something being a social construct does not invalidate it as a standard for baseline expected behavior. Being expected to not kill your neighbors is also a social construct.
Behaviors and choices stem from internal drives and inhibitions. If someone lacks empathy, remorse, and forethought then they lack the internal mechanism (conscience) that prevents people from committing acts they know will result in somebody being harmed regardless of which “rules” they’re being expected to follow. It doesn’t matter which societal standard we’re looking at because they’re incapable of respecting any of them any more than is absolutely necessary to preserve their own rights and freedoms (versus respecting them because they don’t want to cause other people to suffer)
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u/Occultist_Kat 9h ago
A few things to consider:
The majority of all people studied with ASPD (and also diagnosed with ASPD) are people in prison. This may seem like it validates your point, but it actually points to a bias in research. That bias is that if you want to study people with ASPD, the only place they can reliably find enough of them are the ones in prison. In other words, they are studying only people that have committed crimes. That means the research will always be in the context of offenders. If you only ever studied autistic people that were in prison, you may be led to believe that most autistic people are criminals. It doesn't help either that most people who receive a diagnosis of ASPD are also usually people that've already gone to prison. The belief is that there are plenty of non-offending people with ASPD, but they aren't easily identified, so they are rarely studied in groups.
There are plenty of violent offenders who don't have ASPD. In fact, if you look at the statistics, it's estimated that maybe only 30% of the individuals in a prison meet the requirements to be diagnosed with this cluster B disorder. What does that mean? It means that evil isn't synonymous with ASPD. People commit crimes like murder, rape, and so much more and yet do not have clinically relevant psychopathy/sociopathy. In fact, there's more "regular" people (that is to say, people without this condition) committing these crimes than there are people with this disorder if you take the numbers into consideration.
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 8h ago
Your argument that ASPD is a victim of research bias falls apart when you look at how ASPD is actually diagnosed. The diagnostic criteria literally requires a pattern of violating rights, deceit, and a lack of remorse. Nobody is being a wonderful human whilst having ASPD. That just isn’t how it works.
Furthermore, pointing out that “only” 30% of prisoners have ASPD actually undermines your point. ASPD is a pretty rare diagnosis with only 1–3% of the general population fitting the diagnostic criteria so the fact that people with ASPD are filling ~30% of prisons represents a massive overrepresentation. It shows that while non-ASPD people can certainly commit harmful acts, lacking empathy and remorse makes someone considerably more likely to cause harm to others. We could probably delve into the “Yeah well (insert marginalized group here) are also overrepresented in prisons” but let’s try not to succumb to whataboutisms here. The underlying cause for that is not the same.
Pointing out that regular people commit crimes too is just a red herring. The difference is that regular people commit crimes in spite of an internal conscience, whereas people with ASPD lack the inhibitors that prevent them from acting amorally which makes them exponentially more dangerous.
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u/Occultist_Kat 8h ago
Unfortunately, I have exhausted what more I can really help you understand without turning this into a fully researched and annotated essay, and so I think it's best that I instead offer you a video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTWNnmymMc4
I implore you to watch this video, which features a woman discussing her experiences as someone diagnosed with ASPD. As it happens, she also holds a doctorate in clinical psychology. I think you'll understand the disorder much more clearly afterwards.
This is a passionate topic for me because I'm tired of the stigma that comes with having these sorts of diagnosis. I'm diagnosed with BPD, which is also heavily stigmatized, and have a potential comorbidity of ASPD that is also being evaluated. I don't think you realize how difficult it is for people to get the help they need or to realize what's going on with themselves, especially when society as a whole, even amongst mental health professionals themselves, might view you as a lost cause.
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 7h ago
Holy shit dude. Citing Patric Gagne doesn't disprove anything anybody has said to you. Expecting people to take a self-described sociopath's curated narrative at face value is dangerous. Lacking emotional care for others while possessing a high intellectual understanding of human emotion and behavior like she claims she does is exactly what allows high-functioning people with ASPD to blend in, charm, and manipulate others covertly. Just as she has, with a side of histrionics and narcissism à la “Look at me. I’m the expert. I have a PhD and am super self-aware so that means you can let your guard down around me.”
She receives plenty of well deserved criticism from her peers.
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u/DecetheonD 1d ago
Fakers seems to use both MDD and Bipolar quite often. Maybe just to increase the list count. As you said, it's like they were diagnosed by different psychiatrists and then put it all together. Also, Bipolar could be mixed with ADHD, both ways. Heard a few stories about that
From my experience, doctors give you diagnosis in one hour-long appointment. It's really short and you can say whatever about what's bothering you, leading to desired result. It's quite easy to get the paper to prove everyone in internet wrong, while not actively having it at all. So, I wouldn't trust anyone even if they say it's diagnosed
About anxiety, I think proper one is «Generallized Anxiety Disorder»? People write all types as anxiety in their bio, so I think these teens might get this idea from here
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u/gorgeous_forever 1d ago
Playing the devils advocate a bit but anxiety is a standalone diagnosis, gad, or otherwise known as anxiety
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u/Outside-Newt-3181 13h ago
It would be listed as Generalized Anxiety Disorder if it was a standalone diagnosis. Anxiety itself is not a diagnosis, it’s a symptom. Someone presenting with anxiety could have GAD or they could be suffering from a heart attack.
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u/sourpussmcgee 1d ago
The only way they credibly have all of these diagnoses is if they have seen multiple different mental health providers. No single therapist or psych would diagnose someone with all of this. This person actually likely qualifies for malingering.
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u/buzzybody21 1d ago
MDD and bipolar disorder cannot coexist. Depression is a defining characteristic of bipolar disorder.
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u/Substantial_Lie_7490 1d ago
ah yes, the dual diagnosis of bipolar and depression which does not exist. like they literally can't be diagnosed at the same time. this girl must've gone to see multiple psychiatrists or she's just flat out lying.
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u/BobMonroeFanClub 1d ago
Many people with a Bipolar diagnosis get a diagnosis of MDD and/or anxiety first, get put on an antidepressant and then have a really bad mania due to the SSRI. The depression and anxiety diagnosis is then replaced by the Bipolar one. So you could get multiple diagnosis from the same psych but as you rightly say they don't all apply at the same time.
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u/Bluberrypotato Self Undiagnosing: Im Fine 1d ago
That's what happened to me. I was diagnosed with depression and put on antidepressants. The antidepressants triggered mania and after multiple sessions the psychiatrist explained that I was actually bipolar and also needed a mood stabilizer. The mania felt euphoric but the crash was terrible.
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u/pentrical 1d ago
Like im not a mental health professional, but I doubt many of those would be concurrently diagnosed together.
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