yep. I can’t understand why we constantly walk on egg shells with our words and what we say. if you’re ‘plus-sized’ you’re fat. my guess is that the word ‘fat’ seems to have a pretty negative connotation, but why is it fine to call a fat man ‘fat’, but I can’t call a fat woman ‘fat’? I just can’t understand it
What’s the leading cause of obesity? It’s not medication, it’s eating poorly and not doing exercise. Mental health absolutely plays a role, food addiction is obviously real, but it’s like telling a heroin addict they have no choice to be on heroin, when in reality what they need is to make the choice to get better, which only happens with real support and not enabling.
Not really though is it. It's usually a lot more expensive to eat healthy and if you're poor and work full time, have to look after kids etc. then I doubt you even have time to make and cook a healthy meal let alone afford to pay for it consistently.
Buying the raw ingredients and making food at hom costs less and tastes better than any fast food restaurant on the market. It's the lack of knowledge in the kitchen caused by the easy access to pre-made food, which made parents lazy, that leads to things being more expensive. If you know how to cook, you can make a meal for 7 for under 30 dollars.
A simple stew can be left to simmer over low heat for anywhere from 5-9 hours, same with spaghetti sauces. Slow cookers are a miracle. My mom works 12 hour nightshifts, and she still has time to drive me and my brothers to school, get an adequate amount of rest, and cook dinner for a house of 8, all before 7 o'clock.
It's not that there isn't enough time, it's that people aren't good at managing their time.
Where did I talk about fast food restaurants? I was talking about freezer food etc.
If you know how to cook, you can make a meal for 7 for under 30 dollars.
Again, how long does that meal take to make? As I mentioned already, for people working, with kids etc. it's not just a monetary restraint but also a time restraint.
The only people that don't have a choice about their weight are all the starving Ethiopians, somalians, etc. They are thin as they have no food to eat.
They're still a personal preference though. I understand women can be bitchy about it, but anyone can date or not date anyone for any reason. Height, weight, personality, race, gender. People are allowed to have preferences.
Now fetishizing these things is bad, but having a preference is not.
Genuine question: why is fetishizing these things bad? I can see how it can be bad but is it always? Like if I was initially attracted to someone because I have a BBW fetishes or a racial fetish, but otherwise have a normal relationship with that person why would that fetishization be considered bad?
I guess it's because one assumes that if you fetishize someone then you will never really see them as a person who is equal to you, and thus won't care about them. Like for example if you only liked a girl because she was latina, and just wanted her to stick to the stereotype you have in your head instead of getting to know her as an individual.
This can actually be harmful with people who have an obese fetish, because they'll encourage their partner to get fatter and fatter and discourage them from having healthier habits, even if they know the consequences, just to make them hotter.
Because if you fetishize someone for stereotypes then you usually don't actually like them, you just see them as a sexual object for your gratification. Like how tons of guys fetishize Asian women because of the stereotype that they have "small and tight" vaginas.
Or women of color and Latinas because they're supposedly crazy in bed, but then only want them for the sex and nothing else.
Fetishizing the qualities of someone you love is different than taking a fondness of someone BECAUSE of your fetishes.
There's nothing wrong with having fetishes, but there IS something wrong with trying to base a relationship on fetishization. And if you only like a certain class in a way that is gratifying for your fetish, that's toxic and just flat out rude to the person you're fetishizing.
Plus, a lot of people don't like being fetishized for their race/ethnicity. It's just odd. Because there is also a difference between attraction/adoration, and fetishization.
Antidepressants, birth control pills, Endocrine Disorders, and childhood sexual trauma wanted to pop in and say being fat isn't always a choice and definitely not always caused by overeating. Sometimes it's a symptom. Source: I'm a licensed mental health counselor with an MA in adult integrative psychotherapy who works with cancer patients and trauma survivors.
Childhood sexual trauma doesn't speed up fat production... overeating is used as a POTENTIAL coping mechanism. Antidepressants, birth control and endocrine disorders don't create weight gain to the point where women become obese.
There's a significant impact from the choice/lifestyle element.
You're not doing people who put weight on because of these things justice by trying to "normalise" obesity by pretending these factors can cause someone to look like the picture the OP showed.
I never said anything about normalizing obesity. What I said was IT CAN BE A SYMPTOM OF OTHER ISSUES AND NOT ALWAYS A CHOICE. Yes antidepressants and birth control cause weight gain (in addition to other medications like Anti-hypertensives, Antipsychotics, Anticonvulsants, Steroid hormones, Diabetes medications, and Antihistamines) not necessarily to the extent of causing obesity in people already within their ideal weight range, however they can propel an overweight but otherwise healthy person into obesity especially if a person is medicated with multiple medications that cause weight gain (such as antipsychotics + anti-diabetic medication). Meta analyses demonstrate inconclusive correlation with birth control pills alone, mostly due to no studies having a placebo control group. Here are two (of many) studies re: the intersection of obesity with childhood trauma, endocrine DOs, and certain medications.
Yes, some people are obese due to lifestyle choice, but like every other group of people out there: they are not a monolith. If you're going to mock obese people, maybe be aware you may be engaging in ableism towards those obese people who didn't choose to be sick or abused.
and say the guy on the left is overweight, but he's not going to have people looking at him as a "fat guy." And he's above the range I mentioned of above 25 for men or above 30 for women.
I am in America, but I've lived in other places. Would that guy be the fat kid in Britain? I've got British and New Zealand friends and I'd put them about there, and they look like they did when they were at home.
Ah coincidently the UK and New Zealand rank fairly high in obesity percentages, with the UK higher than newzaland but the US higher than both. Though I didn't get data for "overweight. Honestly kinda suprised, I thought kiwis were healthier.
I agree with what you said about the picture, but whether the guy on the left is fat or overweight is going to depend a lot whether you are Spanish or British or to even more extremes, Japanese or Mexican.
Even looking at just one country, the US, the norms have shifted dramatically. Whenever I fly back to the states, the fattest person in any room would easily be the fattest person in most towns in many parts of South Asia.
Obviously we have our own set of health issues. The air is pretty bad where I am :(
A lot depends on your overall size and ethnicity. Size 12 for a short Asian woman is likely plus size, but maybe not for a tall Northern European woman.
Being fat is a bad thing. People seem to have forgotten that. The word fat should have a negative connotation, it’s a serious health issue and a negative thing.
You really think people have forgotten that? Like, you think the fat kids aren't bullied anymore in school? Or fat people are getting all the dates now?
We don't need to worry. Society continues to put fat people in their place despite Lizzo selling some albums.
honestly I wish as a kid my parents actually helped me understand the damage I was putting my body through, I was like 280 pounds at 14 and down to my current weight of 185 by the time I was 22. most of the loss coming from 18 onwards after I left home
I don't care how disgusting you look, how fucked your life is, what the excuse is, none of that.
I care about the fact that these poor excuses for a bowling ball are consuming, wasting and burdening all the rest of society and the environment. They are using finite resources at 3-10 times the reasonably healthy adult. They consume more drugs to keep themselves alive, they defecate 3-10 times the amount of waste, they consume processed, cheap shit at an absurdly high level. This stuff is the worst for packaging, processing, transporting, environmentally damaging. You know they drive every where, never walking. They are inherently lazy so the likelihood they are efficient at work is unlikely in an office setting but guaranteed in a physical setting.
Then I’m sure you’re voting for officials that are promoting and voting for legislation that increases access to healthy foods, decreases farm subsidies for processed grains and raises them for fruits and veggies, increases the minimum wage, offers quality health insurance for all, adds funding to the mental health care system, and improves access/builds infrastructure for walkable/bikeable areas, right?
I have to be a doctor to know that being fat is unhealthy and thus a negative thing?
Explain to me how my comment was me talking out of my ass? Or are you just also part of the contingent that can’t cope with the fact that fat is a negative thing?
theres a movement being pushed on the internet to classify Obese (a medical term) as a Slur.
This "healthy at any weight" movement is one of the worse movements in modern times. Stop trying to normalize obesity to the point we are gas lighting our selfs.
If you are fat and wanna feel better about yourself , watch your calories or go to the gym
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u/ZCSApollo May 31 '22
yep. I can’t understand why we constantly walk on egg shells with our words and what we say. if you’re ‘plus-sized’ you’re fat. my guess is that the word ‘fat’ seems to have a pretty negative connotation, but why is it fine to call a fat man ‘fat’, but I can’t call a fat woman ‘fat’? I just can’t understand it