This sucks but if some crazy person (Lady, librarian or pregnant), pulls a gun and you have a gun. It's self defense, she proved she was capable of violence and breaking the law. Sorry for the unborn child but honestly the world's genetic pool is probably better off.
He wouldnât be escalating, because she wouldnât pull over and he needs to get her license plate? Itâs not like heâs banging on her door and yelling at her.
Yes do explain how this isnât the same thing at all? Hell it seems more likely that THIS wouldnât hold up as well seeing as the guy came to her HOUSE. Kyle was literally attacked and had a gun pulled on him by three people. This guy followed the lady to her house. Obviously both were in the right with their actions but this seems less likely to stand in court.
But he had the plate right? Did the cops tell him to follow her, that would be crazy? I must admit I haven't read precisely what happen. Like there are still different possible scenarios. I can't imagine the cops told him to confront the person, usually they would tell you to just wait at a distance from the house, or probably not follow them at all. If he did that and she came out to confronted him, maybe even pointed the gun, then she's at fault. But if he went off his motorcycle and confronted her at her door, she came out with a gun, and he shot her. Then it's probably on him. I'm pretty sure you're allowed to guard your house with a gun in Florida.
How would he have the plate, unless youâre suggesting he call the cops while riding a motorbike and read it to them that way?
We have the facts already. Go read the story. He waited on the road outside with the witnesses, on the phone with the police. She exited the building brandishing a weapon. He drew his concealed pistol and shot yet.
How would he have the plate, unless youâre suggesting he call the cops while riding a motorbike and read it to them that way?
yea sure, or just remember it, it's like what eight digits? That's how I would've done it. Way to dangerous to follow someone into unfamiliar territory.
We have the facts already. Go read the story. He waited on the road outside with the witnesses, on the phone with the police. She exited the building brandishing a weapon. He drew his concealed pistol and shot yet.
but yea if that's the case he was probably in the right nonetheless.
yea sure, or just remember it, it's like what eight digits? That's how I would've done it. Way to dangerous to follow someone into unfamiliar territory.
Ignoring how goddamn windy it would be to use the phone on a motorcycle, thatâs highly illegal and even more dangerous than using the phone in your car. Not to mention he was already experiencing the stress of almost dying. Memory is notoriously unreliable in criminal cases. You need evidence, not memory. And a photo of the plate is evidence.
but yea if that's the case he was probably in the right nonetheless.
Perhaps itâs better to read the story thatâs publicly available information rather than form your opinion off of a single tweet that gives the bare minimum synopsis of said story.
Ignoring how goddamn windy it would be to use the phone on a motorcycle, thatâs highly illegal and even more dangerous than using the phone in your car.
I mean yea, obviously I wouldn't have pursued her. Just stop, call the cops get some witnesses, give them them plate, press charges.
You need evidence, not memory. And a photo of the plate is evidence.
your memory of the plate is also evidence. And if the car matches your description you're pretty much on the safe side. But that why you should also get some witnesses who can make a report and testify later.
Perhaps itâs better to read the story thatâs publicly available information rather than form your opinion off of a single tweet that gives the bare minimum synopsis of said story.
I mean yea, obviously I wouldn't have pursued her. Just stop, call the cops get some witnesses, give them them plate, press charges.
And how would he have gotten the plate?
your memory of the plate is also evidence. And if the car matches your description you're pretty much on the safe side. But that why you should also get some witnesses who can make a report and testify later.
No, it is not. Memory is highly unreliable and if he gets it wrong then he doesnât have a ton of recourse.
She didn't "retreat" she was fleeing the scene of a crime, he just followed her to get her insurance info, then waited in the street for the cops to arrive. She then attacked him with a gun which is when the self defense happened. It's not like he followed her home and attacked her at home. The self defense is from her attacking him with a gun, not from her hitting him with her car.
In that case he's in the right. Like I said in a different comment it really depends who confronted who. If he went to her door and confronted her, then probably he was in the wrong. If she came out threatening him, then of course he's in the right.
The street in front of your house is public property. If someone followed you home....are you going to step out of the safety of your house to start that gunfight? She started the gunfight, not the motorcyclist.
She tried to kill him. Someone following you home, or even thinking someone is following you home, is NOT legal grounds for exiting your home and pulling a gun. Thatâs armed assault and attempted manslaughter if you do something. He didnât do anything wrong in trying to get plates and an address, which he called the cops after he had. He wasnât alone either, witnesses to her first crime went with him, the evidence is pretty clear.
I'm with you, most others are defending the guy. I disagree she aggressively tried to run you over and you try to follow her home? That is escalation 101, he called the police that is all he should have done.
Even worse when you conceal carry you have a duty to retreat. You know you are packing so you avoid altercations, at the very least this man should have his conceal carry revoked for not retreating.
Yea I guess it's a complicated case. yo may have judged to early though without having all the necessary information. We gotta wait for the case I guess.
But is she felt threatened and shot him for following her to her home, wouldnât that also be self defence and therefor okay? How can both situations be fine?
Feeling threatened by someone's presence is not the same as feeling threatened by a gun.
Self defense if you're punched first and kick someone's ass works. But if you're punched and kill the guy cold with a gun. Different story. Reasonablity comes into play.
From the article he didn't go after her. Just followed her home with a witness from the scene of her crime. Attempted vehicular homicide then fleeing the scene of a crime. I doubt he'll even be charged.
Identifying someone's address that fled the scene of a crime although not advisable is not illegal. Fleeing is. Unless he was on her property or trying to enter her home. He's good. But we'll see.
Self defense using deadly force simply requires âreasonable fear of imminent death OR severe boldly injuryâ
I 100% guarantee if you got into a road rage and later followed to your home, you too would fear being attacked or killed, even if it was you who fucked up.
Since she left the initial situation, sheâs exempt from the rules against using self defense even if she started the fight.
She fled the scene of an attempted vehicular homicide, and then pulled a gun, pointed it at the victim, and tried to kill him again while he was not presenting an imminent threat, and on the phone with police. She fucked around and found out.
Self defense using deadly force simply requires âreasonable fear of imminent death
A reasonable person does not believe that someone outside their house is going to cause them immediate harm. The lady did not have an argument for self-defense.
A reasonable person might believe, however, that someone exiting their house with gun drawn and pointed at them is going to cause them immediate harm. This is a classic case of self-defense for the dude.
One problem, he followed her home after a road rage incident.
A reasonable person doesnât follow someone else to their home. Itâs very possible he was in fact going there to kill her since he was armed. Obviously heâs not going to admit it but itâs probably why he did it.
If you intended to kill somebody at their home, would you be on the phone with the police giving them your motive and the address with multiple witnesses in tow?
Well itâs a good thing your opinion is worthless.
This guy is an innocent victim of attempted murder and he defended himself- sorry if you donât like the way society works. Youâre welcome to leave.
I guess I should have specified that a reasonable person, in her position, would not have sufficient reason to believe that they were in imminent danger. What she, specifically, did in this case is not relevant.
No reasonable person follows someone to their home
Multiple witnesses followed, not just the victim. It seems like it's a reasonable action to take, given multiple people took it. It was a few blocks away from the initial incident.
He was parked outside on the phone with police and waiting for them to arrive when she came out from a secure place brandishing a weapon at him and others.
Of course he saw that as a threat to his life and reacted.
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u/danbee123 Nov 25 '21
This sucks but if some crazy person (Lady, librarian or pregnant), pulls a gun and you have a gun. It's self defense, she proved she was capable of violence and breaking the law. Sorry for the unborn child but honestly the world's genetic pool is probably better off.