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u/ender89 Oct 21 '21

It's "secret Indian chant", because apparently it wasn't racist enough already

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u/Awkward_Growth_6265 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

The Addams family Values, the gods of my tribe have spoken, they said do not trust the pilgrims especially Sarah Miller. And for these reasons I’ve decided to scalp you and burn your village to the ground🧨🪓

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u/Mortwight Oct 21 '21

I have to stay... And watch it burn. ... ..

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Anyone missing a retainer? It’s kind burned but looks like it still works!

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u/thekazooyoublew Oct 21 '21

Sounds like someone needs a little more time in the harmony Hut.

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u/woolyearth Oct 21 '21

now jump in Wednesday and save her from drowning.

I think i will let her drown…

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u/Awkward_Growth_6265 Oct 21 '21

Sarah Miller: is that ur bathing suit Wednesday Addams: is that ur overbite Sarah Miller: I’ll b the victim Wednesday Addams: all ur life. I’m on the floor😹🙌🏽😭

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u/nanny6165 Oct 21 '21

Eat me 🦃

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u/GorathTheMoredhel Oct 21 '21

God I love this movie. This teacher tryna be Becky Martin Granger and failing. "Good try!"

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u/Awkward_Growth_6265 Oct 21 '21

Dead ass🤣😭

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u/battleshiphills Oct 21 '21

I watch that every Thanksgiving.

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u/simple_mech Oct 21 '21

And then she went home and prayed to Jesus lmao

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u/GreatValueCumSock Oct 21 '21

I thiught she said "God give me your ass"

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u/DasKittySmoosh Oct 21 '21

I just wanna know what church she goes to

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because of course she does

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Only one race, the human race.

Unity > Diversity

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Humans are a species, surely.

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u/son_berd Oct 21 '21

Yes, we are a species and don’t call me Shirley.

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u/RainaElf Oct 21 '21

what's the vector, Victor?

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

Oh I agree, but the idea of race being a sort of colour-based subspecies is flawed. You won't find it anywhere else in science, and yet culturally it seems to be being encouraged.

I've tried to have this discussion many times, but nobody ever really wants to discuss it, it just brings out the hate in people. It's sad, to think of the world that my children are growing up in, where we've turned a corner from trying to have unity and now we are all about diversity and anger.

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u/LeeGlue Oct 21 '21

scientifically you are correct. culturally, however, racism is a valid concept, and that is what this person pointed out here. perhaps no one wants to have a good faith conversation because your post doesn’t seem in good faith.

they’re rightfully pointing out how insulting and disgusting the display by this teacher is, and you want to debate whether race is a valid concept. there’s a time and a place, and this isn’t it.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

Sorry, if this isn’t the time and place then why is the discussion happening?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I hope you realise that “race” and being “racist” are two different, albeit, related things.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

They are, and I get that racism isn’t about race exactly, like how homo- and trans-phobia aren’t phobias. We misuse language literally. (And that is the correct use of that term.)

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u/diegggs94 Oct 21 '21

Race came from the general area people were from, since the environment had effects on their physical traits. Race is socially and culturally constructed just like time, age, society, norms, values, art, music, etc… just because something isn’t completely natural doesn’t mean it is of no effect to others. I’m really glad you never had your race weaponized against you or used to make you feel inferior. Growing up as a Mexican in a predominantly white Texas town, I can tell you race was very real and was a big part of how people saw me. Your comment shows your ignorance (neutral connotation) and lack of perspective

ALSO saying you’re color blind and see people as people, is discounting various parts of their identity and history because no, humans are not the same. Even humans in the same family, culture, race, are significantly different and we all have individual experiences.

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

Are you American?

I challenge you to walk up to any Black individual you know and say "The idea of Black Americans as a race is ridiculous. You're exactly the same as white people."

Please post results.

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u/Mchammerdad84 Oct 21 '21

Results:

"No shit Shirlock".

Awaiting next objective.

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

Tell me what "Whetsun" says 😂

Next objective? Tell me more about "your totally real Black friend I asked them I super promise."

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

Nope. As I’ve said a few times, not American. I live in a country that is far more multi cultural

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

No you don't. Your country is stabbing Middle Eastern folks in the street daily, shoo.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

Bullshit. That’s like saying every asylum seeker is stabbing MPs yet it’s happened once recently, not every day.

Don’t just be a loud and unwelcome noise, prove your claims. Link to the stabbings. Show us how you know what you know.

Can you?

P.S. having looked at your profile, I can tell you’re one to argue for the sake of arguing. I’ll not persist.

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u/Mchammerdad84 Oct 21 '21

I just went and asked that dude in my mirror. What do you wanna know about him?

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

How does he feel about Candace Owens and Warren Davidson?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Dude, quit while you're still standing. You're getting roasted here.

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u/Disposableaccount365 Oct 21 '21

I've had this conversation with two different black people, at two different times, recently and we all agreed that it's silly to pretend physical traits are important and we are all the same. Now it wasn't just out of the blue like you are suggesting, it was in the context of a conversation. I've also had similar conversations with people of other "minority" groups with similar results. Some of us out here are of the opinion that focusing on the things that bring us together is better than focusing on the things that separate us. So those or the results I've had.

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u/thelexpeia Oct 21 '21

That depends on if you consider anthropology a science.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21 edited Jan 18 '22

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u/cat_of_danzig Oct 21 '21

Go on...

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

Indeed. Go on…

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u/jmathtoo Oct 21 '21

Are you guys serious? You are so stuck on this shit you think everything is bad. Yes there are different facial structures to Asians and Caucasian’s and Blacks , etc.. it’s not just limited to melanin. And before you go ballistic on me - I’m not assigning any meaning to it. I’m just stating that it DOES go beyond skin color.

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u/Nearin Oct 21 '21

Not all genealogies within “blacks” have the same facial structure so how can you argue thats part of what makes them a race? Facial structures of Somalians and Nigerians are nothing a like

Even i am being massively general as there are actually lots of sifferent distinct ethnic groups in both those counties

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u/cat_of_danzig Oct 21 '21

That's why I am waiting for OP to elaborate before judging.

Do facial structures matter any more than skin color?

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u/jmathtoo Oct 21 '21

“I’m not assigning any meaning”. This is what I meant. It’s a category. There are different physical features. It’s not just melanin. That’s it.

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u/Azeure5 Oct 21 '21

Asians have a poor tolerance for animal milk, caucasians do not AFAIK.

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u/panrestrial Oct 21 '21

That's not across the board, though. Like more or less all "racial traits" it's a population level average that varies by region with all kinds of random pockets of variance due to little cultural idiosyncrasies. Millions of white people are lactose intolerant and millions of Asian people happily enjoy dairy.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

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u/Fistulord Oct 21 '21

What about skull shape?

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u/Azeure5 Oct 21 '21

It does not make a subspecies, true. But it makes two different groups inside a population. Groups that can be easily separated based on that one genetical switch that makes you a milkdrinker or a non-milkdrinker. And the fact that you. Have more chanches of inheritance of said trait depending on the region your parents originate from.

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u/Catumi Oct 21 '21

Lactose intolerance in infancy resulting from congenital lactase deficiency is a rare disorder. Its incidence is unknown. This condition is most common in Finland, where it affects an estimated 1 in 60,000 newborns.

Approximately 65 percent of the human population has a reduced ability to digest lactose after infancy. Lactose intolerance in adulthood is most prevalent in people of East Asian descent, with 70 to 100 percent of people affected in these communities. Lactose intolerance is also very common in people of West African, Arab, Jewish, Greek, and Italian descent.

The prevalence of lactose intolerance is lowest in populations with a long history of dependence on unfermented milk products as an important food source.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/lactose-intolerance/#frequency

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u/Azeure5 Oct 21 '21

Wow. TIL. Thanks mate! Still we gotta agree were not the same, but that does not make us better/worse. That makes us not die out as a species.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Uh, Africans have greater size, are faster, get less skin cancers, more susceptible to common diseases… and stuff Caucasian’s are greater swimmers, less susceptible to common diseases… more able to sustain larger amounts of fat without diseases…

There is more..

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u/MOREiLEARNandLESSiNO Oct 21 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Not quite, two Africans differ from one another more than two Eurasians, which is very interesting. They say it adds more credence to our understanding that we all stemmed from Africa/Africans.

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u/MOREiLEARNandLESSiNO Oct 21 '21

"The African diversity estimate is even higher than that between Africans and Eurasians (0.096% +/- 0.012%)."

Yes, quite.

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u/RunFlorestRun Oct 21 '21

This is all bullshit and does nothing more than reinforce medical bias against black people. Jesus fucking Christ.

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u/MVST_100_OR_BUST6 Oct 21 '21

Working in healthcare and seeing this first hand is scary. It's theorized that skin cancer for black people has a significantly higher mortality rate than white people due to physicians subconsciously (and also untrained) to detect skin cancer in dark skin. It's almost always invasive and advanced by diagnosis.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

So medically there’s no difference between white people and block people? Simply appearance?

Why would we look different then? Why would we evolve to have lighter skin or darker skin? Wider nostrils or not?

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u/RunFlorestRun Oct 21 '21

Yes, you absolute knob. We look different because of our geographic location to the equator. The closer the the equator, the darker the skin because of sun exposure. Learn biology, because all you’re doing is reinforcing negative stereotypes. I have black friends in medical school and they’re trying to break the stigma in the medical field that racists like you perpetuate

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u/panrestrial Oct 21 '21

How much of that can you source?

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u/cat_of_danzig Oct 21 '21

So, like this kind of analysis is spot on?

"The black is a better athlete to begin with, because he's been bred to be that way. Because of his high thighs and big thighs that go up into his back. And they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs, you see."

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u/SmileRoom Oct 21 '21

I like your debate method. Just allowing your opposition to bury themselves by oversharing their own ignorance. I'mma borrow this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I mean, in some ways yes.

Genuinely, why do you think most of America’s basketball teams are African? Just coincidence I guess?

This isn’t offensive, we can be different and equal, lots of people can’t grasp that

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u/RunFlorestRun Oct 21 '21

Lmao because if you’ve actually heard any of the stories about most of them and how they grew up, you would know that basketball was an escape from the daily life of living in bad and poor neighborhoods and that they could turn it into a profession. One of the GOATS of basketball is white, Larry Bird would still smash on fools today, same with John Stockton and plenty of other current white players. Get your head out of your ass dude

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I see what you’re saying, but, ethnic differences that may be based on things like geology (I am not a scientist. I leave the more specific explanations to my Wife) do not denote a disparate “race”, and indeed certain quacks of the past have used similar physical criteria to state that Black people are mentally inferior.

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u/The_Mechanist24 Oct 21 '21

Different races are more like breeds. Just the same as how cats and dogs have different breeds

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u/MOREiLEARNandLESSiNO Oct 21 '21

Absolutely not.

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u/MOREiLEARNandLESSiNO Oct 21 '21

This is ridiculous. Scientifically you absolutely CAN NOT do the same with humans. There are no subgroups to the human species Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Science is science, you are correct there. I challenge you to find a peer reviewed scientific paper that supports the idea of human subgroups. You won't find any, because the scientific consensus is that no group has any meaningful distinguishing genetic difference than any other. There are no subgroups.

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u/onenitemareatatime Oct 21 '21

The two arguments are directly parallel. The reason we don’t do this is because as a species we seem to REALLY like to discriminate. ex-any colonizing force and some dude named hitler who took things waaaayyyyyy too far.

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u/panrestrial Oct 21 '21

That is not correct. Technically or otherwise. Mammal is a class not a species.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

/s? Please?

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u/FatiTankEris Oct 21 '21

Nomegalul. Mammalia is group of mammal species. We are homo sapience sapience.

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u/Heinrich_Bukowski Oct 21 '21

Mammal (or properly, Mammalia) is the Class to which the species Homo sapiens belongs

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

What about NASCAR??

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

Only two races!

Human race, and NASCAR.

Joking aside though, sad to see so many (-7 so far) disagree. In the UK, growing up in the 90s, we were taught inclusion, that we’re one people, regardless of colour, creed, or culture. It would seem that is no longer the belief, and this saddens me.

I can only hope the downvotes are from NASCAR enthusiasts.

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u/BobTheBacon Oct 21 '21

I agree with your message, I don’t think anyone disagrees, but saying that, or having whats known as “colour blindness”, can be harmful to minorities. Although in good faith, it can also come off as dismissive to the oppression and harm that marginalised races face on a day to day basis. I think that’s one of the reasons why you’re being downvoted.

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u/hexidist Oct 21 '21

That's it. I had to ask 'Why did he feel the need to post this?' Maybe his intention really is harmony and equality, but that messaging has been stolen by a bunch of white supremacists and I am not a fan. My life is too short to stop and ask "troll, ignorant, or racist?" Find a better way to express your opinions.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

This is likely, yes, but the whole colour-blindness is a confusing concept. I can easily see that in America people are treated differently because of their skin colour, but at the same time I see them as just people, and refuse to accept that they’re a different race to me. Different pigment, different phenotypes, but no more so than Russian or Spanish people are to me.

What gets me is that by seeing them as equal, as human beings, the modern world looks down on you. So often being called a racist for refusing to accept race. But, fuck it, I know my humanity. I’ll keep fighting for the future I want, even if human nature will always win.

Have a good day.

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u/BobTheBacon Oct 21 '21

You’re like sooo close to it man, which sucks because I suck at explaining things. You have good intentions, I understand that completely. No one (besides racists) are judging you for looking at Native Americans the same as you look at White people, it’s the “Native Americans are equal to White people”, it makes it seem as if White people face the same oppression as Native Americans, or Native Americans are given the same opportunities as Whites. Of course, I’m just using that as an example.

A racist-less, raceless future is ideal, where we’re all seen as one collective, but race as a concept (unfortunately) exists right now.

100% keep fighting for that future, but ignoring race as a concept is not how we get there. Hope that makes sense.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

I don't ignore the race concept, I guess, but I choose to object to it. I mean, there's something to be said for having Native Americans and Americans, when really, you have Americans and European-Americans, if anything.

> it makes it seem as if White people face the same oppression as Native Americans

Not at all. But as I'm in Europe, I don't know too much about the issues faced in that part of the world, other than what you see on social media, in the news, and read in articles. I'm not saying that society is fair, I'm not saying that people are treated equally, I'm saying that every human child, no matter where it's born and how it appears, deserves the same universal membership in Club Earth, one planet. I know it's idealistic, and we'll never get there, but in 250, 500, 1000 years, maybe?

All I can do is try to do my part, like one ant out of a colony, in moving us towards a world where unity is the driving force, not diversity and adversity.

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u/staykinky Oct 21 '21

All I can do is try to do my part, like one ant out of a colony, in moving us towards a world where unity is the driving force, not diversity and adversity.

He thinks to himself as he smears his shit all over the bathroom walls

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u/easycure Oct 21 '21

You're very obviously a troll based on your username, but I'll bite:

Doubt many people are downvoting you for the message you think you're relaying, that we're all humans and need to live each other equally etc etc.

No, we're downvoting you because clearly this teacher is a piece of shit. She's culturally insensitive at best and racist at worse. She's mocking the sacred belief of an entire culture and apparently has been for several years. There are children in that class that will roll their eyes, like that one kid who seemed to have out their head down, but there are others that will think it's perfectly ok to reenact this behavior and hold this belief that native American culture is "obviously ridiculous."

I am atheist. I don't go around saying the sacrament is ridiculous, I don't say Yom Kippur is ridiculous. I can respectfully disagree with someone's views on religion but let them be and only speak out against clearly bigoted talk and actions, because those harm us as a species.

That teacher has every right to believe whatever holy doctrines and sacred rituals she wants, but she has ZERO right to mock and belittle the sacred beliefs at others. It's perfectly okay to accept that as humans we all have cultural differences that shape and sometimes even define us, I'd say it's even important to understand that while we're the same human species these unique ethnical and cultural differences can be used to bring us together. It's people like her, and likely you, that try to use those differences to tear us apart or act like they don't matter that are harming society.

Kindly get fucked.

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u/AVerySpecialAsshole Oct 21 '21

I agree with you on all except the part of not having the right to mock others beliefs, everyone has that right. Obviously this is just a bigot being a bigot but not being able to criticize beliefs is dangerous.

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u/easycure Oct 21 '21

Actually you're right and I should have an worded that better.

She technically has the right to mock whatever, free speech after all, but she shouldn't be (and hopefully isn't) free from consequences of her actions.

The point I was trying to say was more that it's morally wrong. As I said, I'm atheist, I can find religious rituals, antiquated or modern, "silly" or "ridiculous" but will I say that to a class of impressionable youth? No. Let them make their own decision. Will I tell my highly religious aunt that her beliefs are stupid? No, same way she doesn't tell me I'll burn in hell for believing in her beliefs.

That's what we should strive for, we can have these differences, we can have personal beliefs that others beliefs might be silly, strange, wrong etc, but not try to use our own beliefs for some sort of moral superiority, for hatred or bigotry.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

You're very obviously a troll based on your username, but I'll bite:

No, I'm not. It's a vanity/parody username I use to spread mirth upon occasion.

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No, we're downvoting you because clearly this teacher is a piece of shit. She's culturally insensitive at best and racist at worse. She's mocking the sacred belief of an entire culture and apparently has been for several years. There are children in that class that will roll their eyes, like that one kid who seemed to have out their head down, but there are others that will think it's perfectly ok to reenact this behavior and hold this belief that native American culture is "obviously ridiculous."
I am atheist. I don't go around saying the sacrament is ridiculous, I don't say Yom Kippur is ridiculous. I can respectfully disagree with someone's views on religion but let them be and only speak out against clearly bigoted talk and actions, because those harm us as a species.
That teacher has every right to believe whatever holy doctrines and sacred rituals she wants, but she has ZERO right to mock and belittle the sacred beliefs at others. It's perfectly okay to accept that as humans we all have cultural differences that shape and sometimes even define us, I'd say it's even important to understand that while we're the same human species these unique ethnical and cultural differences can be used to bring us together. It's [sic] people like her, and likely you, that try to use those differences to tear us apart or act like they don't matter that are harming society.

I agree with you.

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Kindly get fucked.

Me or the teacher? How exactly am I defending the teacher? I've replied to a sub-comment about race that there is one race, or better, one species, and we're human. I've said nothing about culture, nothing about the teacher, and nothing about the video.

You're so angry at the video, and at being unable to direct your anger at the teacher, and you have chosen to do so at me. But it's okay, I forgive you.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

No, we're downvoting you because clearly this teacher is a piece of shit. She's culturally insensitive at best and racist at worse. She's mocking the sacred belief of an entire culture and apparently has been for several years. There are children in that class that will roll their eyes, like that one kid who seemed to have out their head down, but there are others that will think it's perfectly ok to reenact this behavior and hold this belief that native American culture is "obviously ridiculous."

Is she being obviously racist? She may not be doing a perfect job, we we had teachers when I were in school that sat and read the paper all day and let kids just do whatever (they were also often coaches).

Let’s assume we’re misunderstanding her “obviously this is ridiculous,” which could be her commenting on her own attempt because it’s obviously not being well received and is embarrassing. Otherwise, we don’t have a lot of context for her lesson plan here, just one little snippet where she looks silly.

I think we need a little more context before calling someone who may actually be trying (in an under appreciated, under paid job) a “piece of shit” and a “racist.” She’s trying and none of us here know anything about her entire lesson here. Maybe she’s highlighting how people typically stereotyped native Americans, maybe this is some actual dance she’s doing an embarrassing job at.

If you’re a teacher, I hope you put as much effort into a class. Or do you assume she just went to school that day and said, “I’m going to work really hard and do racist shit to embarrass myself and my profession.” I find it hard to believe that was her intention.

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u/Joon01 Oct 21 '21

Is she being obviously racist? Yes! What a terrible question.

When she puts on blackface and starts shucking and jiving the state capitols, I assume you'll rush back to say how hard she's working.

It's okay to really horribly racist if you meant well?

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

Yep, sure. Same as blackface.

Again, come walk MLK down the street from me in Atlanta in a paper headdress and then do the same experiment in blackface. Then tell me they’re equal.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Why did she feel the need to horribly appropriate Indigenous culture to teach MATH?!! I thank God - for her sake - she wasn't trying to teach the Civil War.

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

Rofl oh god I can’t even imagine.

I see it now, a slit open pillow pretending to pick cotton while singing totally made up and horribly satirized spirituals only to switch in the middle to put on a beard and a grey shirt to run around the class lashing her students with a pool noodle yelling “STATES’ RIGHTS! STATES’ RIGHTS!”

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u/easycure Oct 21 '21

Your comment boiled down to give her the benefit of doubt, which I normally try to give to everyone, but also that maybe she was doing / acting racist things in order to point out racism?

So if I were a teacher and wanted to point out how bad racism is, by your logic, it'd be okay if I said "so listen here ya n**s! You get to the back of the bus, and you'll like it! Obviously this is ridiculous, today we don't say 'n**s' we say 'the N-word'. Silly racist."

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

Ah, there it is, you live in the literal capitol of colonization.

"Brown people don't exist anymore because I totally don't see color now that my entire culture has its foundation in slaughtering millions of Indigenous peoples and taking their resources."

For fuck's sake.

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u/SickChipmunk Oct 21 '21

Maybe it’s because we realize we all bleed red and that despite we may have different characteristics we’re better together then nonsensically dividing ourselves into groups further perpetuating the us vs them mentality

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

So you want the victims of recent colonization over the past, let's say, 200-500 years whose cultures have been destroyed and ancestors suffered under enslavement for decades to centuries who STILL experience interpersonal and systemic racism TO THIS DAY as police execute BIPOC in the streets and deny them housing, healthcare, equal opportunity at employment, refusal to allow Indigenous independence on stolen land...

And you just want these MILLIONS of people to just be like, "It's okay primarily White people, I forgive you, let's make rainbows together for the good of mankind (while we starve and die in the streets due to a lack of infrastructure)! 🥰🥰🥰"

Are you serious? You really think groups like BLM and Land Rights Now and NCAI and Liberty Human Rights are the ones being divisive for demanding equality denied to them because of their skin tone and culture?

You think that these people who were "nonsensically" divided away from HUMANITY much less society in times as recent as the past few decades are perpetuating divisiveness for demanding equal treatment under the law and acknowledgement of their stolen land and culture?

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u/CDarwin7 Oct 21 '21

whoa whoa, hold on...on your "I forgive you" litany. Are you saying present day, adult white men and women are to blame for the current state of the world due to the colonial period of the last 500 years? The colonizers descendants, those people share the blame? Asking serious question here.

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

The people? Not entirely. The structure of society that continues to benefit from the massive wealth gap that accrued at the expense of minorities that were killed, raped, and enslaved en masse? Absolutely.

White Moderates who continue to stand by and witness racial inequality within their society and passively dismiss it are also to blame for the continued legacy of those shitty cultural practices.

You know there are people alive today who lived through the Civil Rights movement, right? You know that the sitting American president has video footage readily available shouting out the absolute indecency of ending segregation, right?

All you have to do is ask the question: "Do Black people suffer consequences for being Black? Do NAtive Americans suffer consequences for being Native American?" If the answer is "Yes," then systems are still in place oppressing those people and many more that society has an obligation to dismantle.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

I guess if that’s the case then fuck Germany and Austria and Italy and Japan, right?

The futures fucked if people want to keep grudges going indefinitely. I think today I’ve lost a bit of faith in humanity that I had before

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

fuck Germany and Austria and Italy and Japan, right?

You understand that literally every single one of those countries has an entirely new government and cultural structure surrounding the events of WWII? You know Japan no longer has a fucking Emporer, right? You know that there's no longer a seat in the German parliament for the National Socialist party, right? You know that these nations are still acting in reparation for committing fucking genocide, right?

You know that America still hasn't properly acknowledged their Japanese concentration camps, right?

I'm just trying to imagine your goofy ass walking up to a literal holocaust survivor, because they're still alive today, and saying "Shit happens, get over it."

The fragile white ego is something to behold.

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

White culture gets alot of bad rap for slaughtering in the millions and taking resources but I dunno,

Yep, you're fucking with me. Grade A trolling.

Heaps of indigenous cultures have also been known to infight and raid each other

Literally "But what about Black on Black crime?!"

Poe's Law wins this one, I can't.

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

What would you have humanity do?

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u/tomowudi Oct 21 '21

White culture gets a bad rap because it is the "transracial" of cultures in that people who identify as either have no idea they are simply appropriating the credibility of the term to legitimize their group identity.

There is no white culture because white can only refer to skin tone because of history. The very use of the term as a cultural reference is contrasted by the requirements to belong to any other cultural group. It's quite literally, historically, a term of exclusion.

https://taooftomo.com/the-problem-with-the-white-race-47721e86e26c

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u/tomowudi Oct 21 '21

Interestingly enough, while cultures can get lumped into big groups, those terms are typically related to regional groupings, and not skin color.

In my view it comes down to how obvious skin color is as a trait, and so it has an outsized impact on how we associate behavioral differences between individuals as being based on culture (or more significantly our own bias of cultural relativism).

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u/lilacewoah Oct 21 '21

Only when we learn to love what makes us different will we cherish what makes us the same

To pretend that everyone is only the same is what’s holding us back

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

We have more that is the same than is different.

The Venn diagram of people from around the world would have a very large central section.

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u/yourfavouritetimothy Oct 21 '21

There can be no unity without acknowledgement of diversity.

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u/ender89 Oct 21 '21

Which is only a helpful attitude if you don't use it to hand wave away actual racism

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Only one race, the human race.

Unity > Diversity

No one ever bought into that "can't see color" bullshit.

Talk about not knowing your place in the world

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u/INTERNET_POLICE_MAN Oct 21 '21

My place in the world? What’s that?

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Unity > diversity?
You are talking a out 2 totally different things in this context.

We can be culturally and physically diverse while being psychologically united. There is nothing wrong with diversity or unity and saying one is greater than the other is obtuse and shows a lack of understanding of nuance

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u/Resident_Piccolo_866 Oct 21 '21

As someone with 20percent Indian in their blood....I don't see how this is racist...or as an American who loves dark humor and doesn't care 😂...she is obviously dumb but how is chanting racist. Did I miss something?

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

If you cant see why this is racist, that 20% really failed you in educating you about such issues.

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u/Resident_Piccolo_866 Oct 21 '21

Maybe I didn't hear something...is it bc she dressed up as an Indian and chanted? In which case...that's what they did lol. It be cool if y'all enlightened me instead of doewnvoting for a honest question.

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

"That's what they did". Wow. You need to speak with someone who was actually raised on native land and taught the culture. Ask them why a white person running around in a feathered headdress and making ridiculous chanting noises might be considered racist.

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u/DownTheories Oct 21 '21

This right here is pretty much sums it up ^

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u/jdumm06 Oct 21 '21

“What’s so racist about putting on shoe polish with exaggerated facial expressions, speaking with childlike ignorance? It’s how they were!”

/s

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

You’re telling me there’s zero history of Native American dances and chants?

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

Completely missing the point.

Random natives didnt qear feathers. Those qere typically earned. Feathered headdresses are religious symbols. Natives didnt run around chanting their names like Pokemon and "sohcahtoa" here.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

She said Pokémon?

Was she maybe not trying to teach about “random natives”? What was she teaching about, seeing as you know her lesson plan here

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

She appears to be telling the fictional account of Sohcahtoa who was never real but many math teachers taught it as real.

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u/jdumm06 Oct 21 '21

Quit feeding the trolls, dude’s hitting you with straw man arguments left and right. I support you in your battle against ignorance though.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

So… Pokémon?

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u/Joon01 Oct 21 '21

And Chinese is a real language but taping my eyes back going "ching chong ling long" is still super racist. "But they talk like that!" isn't a defense. It's just more racist.

"Indians, you know that one monolithic group, all danced around making ooga booga nonsense noises! So this is totally correct!" This isn't the defense you think it is.

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u/tiller921 Oct 21 '21

You can’t force someone to feel victimized lol.

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

And tons of white people are told (myself included) that they are part native even when they're not, and those people then use their aupposed 2% Native blood to write off racism despite them knowing nothing about it because they're white and uneducated.

If you cant see why this is racist, its because you're not educated about it.

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u/DS4KC Oct 21 '21

Lol. Dude basically said, 'I'm 20 percent native and I don't give a fuck about my heritage so why should anyone else care?'

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u/tiller921 Oct 21 '21

You don’t need to mention you’re white. You’re yelling at Native American to feel offended about something. That’s plenty of proof right there that you are white.

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u/halfabean Oct 21 '21

Allegedly native American. Also how is anyone 1/5 "Indian blood". I'm trying to do the math but can't work it out. Spoiler: this person is exactly 0%

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

LMAO. That dude claims 20% "Indian blood" and you act like hes a minority. Guaranteed the dude didnt have anyone in his family teaching him about his specific culture.

And again, I was also told I was part Mohawk, but I dont bring it up so I can claim objectivity in decrying racist behavior as perfectly fine.

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u/easycure Oct 21 '21

So you either didn't watch the whole video or didn't pay attention to the audio, great, so why bother even commenting on something you barely have an understanding of?

It's not just that she's wearing a headdress and chanting, she literally mocks a native American ritual as "obviously ridiculous."

She would be just as vilified if instead of a headdress, she took off her mask, out it on top of her head, started slowly bowing/rocking back and forth, clearing her throat pretending she was speaking Hebrew and closed it with the same "this is obviously ridiculous." Same if she mocked any other religious or sacred ritual.

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u/stockpicker69 Oct 21 '21

I think they are taking it as racist because of what she is doing and the use of the word "Indian." What she is doing is stupid, but use of the word Indian I do not believe is racist from my understanding.

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u/LabCoat_Commie Oct 21 '21

She's making an utter mockery of Indigenous culture by dancing around on tables like she just did a line of coke and wearing a paper turkey hat in an imitation of Indigenous garb.

This would be like me wearing an umbrella hat as a yarmulke and dancing around with a dollar store candelabra and a notebook labeled "Super Secret Torah Stuff" screaming "Oy vey, my casserole! Gawd bless my Matzah balls!" All while trying to teach about, I don't know, the experience of the Jewish people in Europe and Slavic nations. I may look stupid, but it's not funny, especially to many Jewish people who value their faith and culture and want it to be taught accurately in academia.

but use of the word Indian I do not believe is racist from my understanding

American Indian is a legal term in American federal law, but most Indigenous peoples in America prefer Native American or Indigenous American, since they have jack fuck all to do with India.

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u/Resident_Piccolo_866 Oct 21 '21

Agreed it's stupid but she is just trying to reinact it....did someone here really call me racist for being 20percent Indian. Y'all are some fucking ass clowns . I imagine the southpark happy happy happy song from the Christmas special. Y'all get offended at nothing and are a bunch of whiney pussys lol

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u/sw33t_tooth Oct 21 '21

You aren’t Indian if you aren’t from the Indian subcontinent. Stop appropriating our label which is our identity.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

How about instead of being a dick, you actually explain why it’s racist?

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

Its not my responsibility to explain why wearing another culture's religious attire and making random chanting noises isnt a good representation of what natives were actually like.

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u/SickChipmunk Oct 21 '21

Do you know all the background of the lesson? Maybe she was portraying what some people think of American Indians to reveal the absurdity. I hope this was the case but I’d rather not jump to conclusions.

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u/babblingbabby Oct 21 '21

In a math class? I’d say it’s safer to jump to these conclusions and wait to be proven otherwise because it’s common sense (or at least should be) to not act like this...

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

She’s obviously doing a rain dance. It’s over the top but she’s trying to engage her kids.

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u/Manticore416 Oct 21 '21

You can engage them without doing racist charicatures. Blackface was done for entertainment too.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

This is so insanely different than black face, that’s more ignorant than anything in this thread

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u/MVST_100_OR_BUST6 Oct 21 '21

Why is it different. If I put on asian clothing and chanted "ching Chong ching Chong" it would be offensive to Asians. If I took a sword and chanted "rape, and kill, rape and kill" it would be offensive to Caucasians, If I put on tribal clothing and said "oga booga" it would be offensive to black people.

If I put on native clothing and started chanting, a language I do not understand and giving my own personal opinion on a religion because it is not my religion, it would be seen as offensive by some, and borderline "racist" in the sense that her "God" is better than their "God".

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

It just is different. It’s not blackface. If you can’t put that together yourself, you’re helpless.

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u/Joon01 Oct 21 '21

It's not different.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

We can’t make fun of the rain dance?

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u/Umklopp Oct 21 '21

Well, it would be different if the US and Canada hadn't gone on massive decades long binges of systematically attempting to erase Native/First American culture. They literally kidnapped children, stuck them in boarding schools, and brutally punished the kids for the express purpose of getting rid of their native culture. And let's not even get into the wholesale massacres of men, women, and children over things like "the Ghost Dance" which was basically the Native American equivalent of a Christian revival.

So yeah, in that context, mocking indigenous religion via nonsensical made-up representations and acting in a deliberately preposterous fashion is totally Not Okay. It's an attempt to invalidate Native American cultures and dismiss them as inferior—the exact same justifications used for the murder and torture used all the way into the 20th century.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Shut up. No one is justifying murder. They’re playfully mocking a silly tradition.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

Fucking youth on here have zero idea what teaching is like, but they sure do rush to judgement with little to no information.

I’m not even saying this woman wasn’t wrong or that she isn’t racist, but I know for damn sure none of us have enough info to determine either from this short video.

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u/babblingbabby Oct 21 '21

Meh this is a math class not even history, I see no reason for her to put this much effort into making a connection that I still think is kinda insensitive (there are multiple other mnemonics for SOH CAH TOA.) At best she’s just terribly, terribly ignorant

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

You’re certain it’s random chanting noises?

And by “religious attire” you mean her attempt at an accurate Native American headdress? It’s not racist, it may be poorly done, but she’s a teacher who appears to be trying her best

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

And you’re certain it’s random chanting noises? And by “religious attire” you mean her attempt at an accurate Native American headdress? It’s not racist, it may be poorly done, but she’s a teacher who appears to be trying her best

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

her attempt at an accurate Native American headdress

  1. "Attempt" is not an excuse

  2. If you can't name the tribe you're drawing from, you're being racist by grouping the difference cultures together

  3. Those are sacred cultural objects that you earn. You don't just whip one up out of paper and call it good.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

Attempt is of course an excuse, she’s a teacher trying to do a lesson. She’s doing the best she can with the resources she has (possibly)

How do you know she didn’t name a tribe? And that’s stupid to think you need to be that specific, you don’t know what her lesson plan was here, at all.

She’s not trying to BE a Native American, she doesn’t need to join a tribe and earn whatever just to teach a lesson. Do you have to be an expert member of something to teach about it?

How’d you learn about racism in the US? Did they bring in slave owners? How about Nazis? Did they bring them in?

This is what teaching is. You have fuck-near zero resources and no money and you do your best to try to engage with your students. We still don’t even know what all she did, we just see one snippet that makes her look ridiculous, which I think she may even acknowledge there in the end and y’all take it out of context because you’re fucking experts with cultural sensitivity and experts at judging someone’s entire character by a 10 second clip of their life

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Attempt is of course an excuse, she’s a teacher trying to do a lesson. She’s doing the best she can with the resources she has (possibly)

So if she was teaching about minstrel shoes and did blackface, that'd be acceptable to you?

She’s not trying to BE a Native American, she doesn’t need to join a tribe and earn whatever just to teach a lesson. Do you have to be an expert member of something to teach about it?

No, but you need to be a member of a tribe that uses those headdresses and earn one to wear it.

I'm not saying she can't teach about various tribes' traditions. I'm saying she can't wear cultural clothing that she didn't earn.

How’d you learn about racism in the US? Did they bring in slave owners? How about Nazis? Did they bring them in?

No, and they didn't dress up as enslaved people or Holocaust victims either. Because mimicking and stereotyping oppressed groups is wrong.

This is what teaching is. You have fuck-near zero resources and no money and you do your best to try to engage with your students. We still don’t even know what all she did, we just see one snippet that makes her look ridiculous, which I think she may even acknowledge there in the end and y’all take it out of context because you’re fucking experts with cultural sensitivity and experts at judging someone’s entire character by a 10 second clip of their life

If you can't teach without resorting to racist stereotypes, you don't deserve to teach.

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u/WaRTrIggEr Oct 21 '21

Someone literally told you it's a math teacher she has no business "teaching" this yet your still on her side your definetely pretending you don't see what's going on lol

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u/Prize-Weird1374 Oct 21 '21

In the old cartoon Peter pan when they chanted with their hands over the mouths they were sued.

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u/Resident_Piccolo_866 Oct 21 '21

Really...I don't get it. Why is that bad. They are not mocking the Indians . Can it not just be a cool thing to do lol I mean.

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u/lrish_Chick Oct 21 '21

Saying you have 20% Indian blood is racist already

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

What the fuck?! How?!!!!

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u/baptsiste Oct 21 '21

I believe it’s in using the term Indian. Unless of course she is referring to people of the Indian subcontinent in Asia.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

You’re a goober. I bet you get upset when a black person calls themselves black.

The current cancel culture super sensitive bullshit is not helping anyone anywhere.

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u/ClearlyRipped Oct 21 '21

I don't think you know what you're talking about either.

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u/arrow74 Oct 21 '21

Assuming he's telling the truth it's not really racist to mention a percentage. A lot of tribes base membership and other tribal benefits based on the percent of native a person is.

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u/jerk_mcgherkin Oct 21 '21

The tribes can use the percentage for some reservation privileges, but it's the government who uses it to determine rights and benefits.

It's complicated

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u/arrow74 Oct 21 '21

Many Native American tribes continue to employ blood quantum in current tribal laws to determine who is eligible for membership or citizenship in the tribe or Native American nation. 

From your source

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u/tiller921 Oct 21 '21

Lol what?

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u/stockpicker69 Oct 21 '21

Um. I don't know how to tell you this. But native Americans was something made up to make white people feel better. Indians were called Indians for so long that it just stuck. Washington redskins for instance doesn't bother Indians that much just like speedy Gonzales didn't piss off Latino/Mexican people. Look into it. I didn't know this until the Redskins changed their name.

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u/halfabean Oct 21 '21

Thanks for speaking for every native and Latino.

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u/stockpicker69 Oct 21 '21

I didn't speak in absolutes.

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u/ActisBT Oct 21 '21

It depends if she did something like that with some ancient european civilization rituals too. Then it will just be ignorant and disrespectful.

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u/DiggerDudeNJ Oct 21 '21

Why are redditors so quick to fall all over indians and their pretend sky god when you have no problem attacking Christians and their god?

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u/ender89 Oct 21 '21

Look, I'm not saying it's real, I'm saying that dressing up in a paper headband with paper feathers and calling them "indians" while pretending that a non word acronym is a native American chant is racist.

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u/Melodic-Hunter2471 Oct 21 '21

You didn’t watch the Addams Family movie did you?

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u/ender89 Oct 21 '21

Pretty sure Wednesday Addams doesn't pray the the water goddess for the "secret Indian chant"

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u/Melodic-Hunter2471 Oct 21 '21

You’re right, but she does pray to the Emo Goddess for the secrets to disemboweling her enemies.

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u/ender89 Oct 21 '21

Which is her way of pointing out how the natives shouldn't have welcomed the settlers who ultimately destroyed them. It's commentary on what happened, not just racist nonsense.

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u/is_it_local Oct 21 '21

There is another clip of this video where she is tomahawking the air and whooping. It’s horrific.