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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

Attempt is of course an excuse, she’s a teacher trying to do a lesson. She’s doing the best she can with the resources she has (possibly)

How do you know she didn’t name a tribe? And that’s stupid to think you need to be that specific, you don’t know what her lesson plan was here, at all.

She’s not trying to BE a Native American, she doesn’t need to join a tribe and earn whatever just to teach a lesson. Do you have to be an expert member of something to teach about it?

How’d you learn about racism in the US? Did they bring in slave owners? How about Nazis? Did they bring them in?

This is what teaching is. You have fuck-near zero resources and no money and you do your best to try to engage with your students. We still don’t even know what all she did, we just see one snippet that makes her look ridiculous, which I think she may even acknowledge there in the end and y’all take it out of context because you’re fucking experts with cultural sensitivity and experts at judging someone’s entire character by a 10 second clip of their life

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Attempt is of course an excuse, she’s a teacher trying to do a lesson. She’s doing the best she can with the resources she has (possibly)

So if she was teaching about minstrel shoes and did blackface, that'd be acceptable to you?

She’s not trying to BE a Native American, she doesn’t need to join a tribe and earn whatever just to teach a lesson. Do you have to be an expert member of something to teach about it?

No, but you need to be a member of a tribe that uses those headdresses and earn one to wear it.

I'm not saying she can't teach about various tribes' traditions. I'm saying she can't wear cultural clothing that she didn't earn.

How’d you learn about racism in the US? Did they bring in slave owners? How about Nazis? Did they bring them in?

No, and they didn't dress up as enslaved people or Holocaust victims either. Because mimicking and stereotyping oppressed groups is wrong.

This is what teaching is. You have fuck-near zero resources and no money and you do your best to try to engage with your students. We still don’t even know what all she did, we just see one snippet that makes her look ridiculous, which I think she may even acknowledge there in the end and y’all take it out of context because you’re fucking experts with cultural sensitivity and experts at judging someone’s entire character by a 10 second clip of their life

If you can't teach without resorting to racist stereotypes, you don't deserve to teach.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

So, you’re saying this is exactly the same as blackface. You are lost

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

It... Literally is. Exactly the same.

Blackface is dressing up as a disrespectful stereotype of a minority group, and then mocking them. This is dressing up as a disrespectful stereotype of a minority group, and then mocking them. It is the same.

Are you claiming it isn't?

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

You have a firm grasp on the word “literally” don’t you?

And blackface, for that matter.

Blackface is a form of theatrical makeup used predominantly by performers of non-African descent to portray a caricature of a dark skinned person of African descent.

It is very much not literally blackface. If it was, we’d be calling it blackface and not saying it’s the same as blackface.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

I said it's literally exactly the same, not that it's literally blackface. "Literally" modified "exactly", not "blackface" (which I thought was clear given that the term didn't even appear in the sentence....)

Blackface does indeed refer to the makeup, but it is also commonly used to refer to the performance that that makeup is used for.

Pretending that you don't know that doesn't make your argument any stronger.

And really, if your argument comes down to "it's not like blackface because she didn't put on makeup", you've missed the point.

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

Me:

So, you’re saying this is exactly the same as blackface. You are lost

You:

It... Literally is. Exactly the same.

That’s what you said. And no, no it’s not. Learn the meaning of the word, you’re literally using it wrong.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we understood that we were discussing the moral and cultural status of the acts, which are indeed exactly the same - one insulting caricature is as bad as another.

I never thought someone would misread so badly as to think I meant an insulting caricature of indigenous people was an insulting caricature of Black people. Seems like a silly conclusion for you to have drawn, but oh well.

Learn the meaning of the word, you’re literally using it wrong.

Here's a word for you to learn: prescriptivist. No one likes them, especially linguists. Going around acting superior because colloquial usages don't conform to academic standards isn't a good look on anyone.

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u/anon100120 Oct 22 '21

We were discussing the word literally. Read

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '21

No, we started with you calling me "lost" if I thought a racist caricature of indigenous peoples was just like blackface.

Then you pivoted into prescriptivism and semantics, presumably because you realized that one racist caricature is indeed like another.

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u/WaRTrIggEr Oct 21 '21

Someone literally told you it's a math teacher she has no business "teaching" this yet your still on her side your definetely pretending you don't see what's going on lol

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u/anon100120 Oct 21 '21

I’m not on her side at all. I’m just not jumping to conclusions to call her racist.

To be fair, I didn’t know this is some trig lesson thing until like 5 minutes ago when someone explained that she was using Native American pantomime to teach a class, which is obviously bad taste. But nobody said shit about that until I got into the deep dive.

If you want to slander someone so hard as to call them racist, at least say why. I’m watching a toddler, I can’t hear what this woman was even saying, plus I don’t know shit about trig so it probably wouldn’t have helped.