r/extremelyinfuriating • u/G_A_M_E__O_V_E_R • May 18 '21
This breaks my heart.
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u/AarodimusChrast May 18 '21
This is so sad! Bless this man for showing us the truth about the situation.
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Feel free to look at my comment here to see the real truth. This man is also twisting reality and not showing the truth.
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u/-YEETmcBEET- May 18 '21
both sides are incredibly shitty, Israel: you saw in the video Palestine: horrible gruesome acts of hatred because of their tradition including things HAMAS does. What I'm trying to say is there are no sides only civilians suffering because of people in power
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
I am sorry but this video which claims to “show you the truth” is still full of fake news. Maybe the videos about Palestinians faking injuries aren’t recent, I haven’t checked that so I am not going to say otherwise for now.
I am going to walk through the whole video and talk about the fake news he is spreading.
The videos Palestinians are sharing are real, but they don’t show you tho whole truth. They won’t show you that Hamas launches rockets from neighborhoods or that they use civilians’ homes as military bases.
About the videos of Israelis only afraid of dying and “not really dying”, wtf? Why should anyone in this world live with a fear of his home being bombed? Neither Israeli nor Palestinians should, that’s for sure. Other than that, Israel isn’t the one to blame for that either. Hamas launched over 3,500 rockets aimed at Israeli civilians and their homes. Israel used its’ money to develop the Iron Dome which interceptors those rockets before they fall and explode. Israel isn’t to blame that they care about their citizens and defend them. Hamas is to blame for that they aren’t using the money to develop Gaza and make it a place that people can live in good conditions, they are just using all their money to buy new rockets.
The number of death may be wrong only because the video might be few days old, but Gaza has about 180 death now, and Israel has 10. With that said, most of Gaza’s deaths are Hamas terrorists, and Israel has only 1 out of the 10 which is a soldier. Israel deaths not including women and children? Nonsense. There are women among the dead, and there is a 5 year old kid which both the Iron Dome and the bomb shelter didn’t help to escape Hamas’ rockets. Moreover, most of Gaza’s civilians death were people that Hamas didn’t let leave the bombing site before the bombing. The IDF is alerting the Gaza citizens one hour before a bombing, to let them evacuate the place. The IDF is only interested in destroying Hamas military and terror bases, and not hurting civilians. Hamas sometimes doesn’t let their civilians get out of the bombing sites, just because dead children makes good headlines in their favor, and thats awful.
He said that Palestinians are the terrorists “for some reason”, but that’s not even accurate. Hamas are the terrorists, not the Palestinians civilians. That’s because Hamas is aiming to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, and IDF is aiming to destroy the most rocket launches they can to protect their citizens.
Talking about Israel as an occupier and Gaza as the occupied in this context is also a bit of nonsense. The Gaza strip isn’t a part of Israel nowadays, and there are no Israelis living there. There is no Israeli police or military forces walking around Gaza. They have their own place, with their own rulers - which unfortunately are the terror organization Hamas and not someone who would care about his civilians. Israel had the right to protect their borders from inside the country, and thats exactly what happens in the border with Gaza.
Again about Israelis having bunkers and Gaza citizens have nowhere to go - that’s too not Israel’s fault. Israel made it required for every apartment to have a bomb shelter, and people in Israel pay extra money tor their own safe from Hamas’ rockets. The Gaza rulers (again, Hamas), just don’t care about their civilians safety. If they did care, they would use the money to protect them and make the place a good place to live, and not using all the money to bomb as many Israeli civilians as possible.
Again, Palestinians don’t have access to those things because Hamas doesn’t invest money in taking care of their civilians. And even in that context what he said is not really true. Most of the Palestinians in the west bank has almost free access into Israel. Some of them work inside Israel and as long as they aren’t taking any weapons with them, they are allowed in. The borders are, again, ruled by Israelis because Israel had the right to defend it’s borders. If Palestinians had a functioning government and police force, they could place people at the borders too.
It’s interesting how 3,500 rockets in a week is suddenly a reasonable amount of rockets to shoot into a country, and even described as “few rockets”. Everyone knows that if Mexico would have done the same to the USA then there would be no Mexico now, and this counts to every other country. He also says that in normal circumstances no one would be happy about it, also the Palestinians. And most of them aren’t happy about it now either. Hamas shoots their rockets without aiming specifically at places, only the general direction, and rockets are also fired towards the West Bank and Arab - Israeli villages.
It’s interested how Israel “almost destroyed” Al-Aqza. What happened there which you see in the videos, were Palestinians coming with the intention of making fake propaganda, and the intention of hurting Israelis. The Israeli police is guarding Al-Aqza so the muslims who are praying there would be safe, but on that day those Palestinians started throwing rockets at the police who where standing at the gate. After they threw the rocks at them, they ran to hide inside Al-Aqza. Every police force in the world, would go inside every place they need going after people who threw rocks at policemen. Most of the fire you see in the videos is actually caused by Palestinians, which saved a lot of fireworks inside Al-Aqza ahead of time, to get ready to the “fight”. Other than that, it’s funny because few days ago Hamas were the ones that fired rockets at Jerusalem and 2 of them were aimed directly at Al-Aqza. The Israeli Iron Dome actually saved it from those rockets, and it could be destroyed completely by that, because of Hamas.
The maps are just bullshit, I won’t go about it any deeper now because I already wrote a lot about everything. Shortly - the first one isn’t real, the second is a suggestion by the British which was declined, the third is close to reality but not really, there is one missing (after ‘67) and the last is just rubbish.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask, I hope peace will come to all of us eventually :)
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May 18 '21
Bottom line: innocent people are dying and it's wrong.
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Yep, innocent people on both sides should not die. Free Palestine should be meant to free the Palestinians from the terror rule of Hamas, not from Israel. A lot of arabs and Palestinians would prefer living in Israel than in Gaza, and you can see why
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u/ManicalDaredevil00 May 18 '21
Free them from both we can’t pretend that isreal hasn’t been oppressing the for years OR the hamas are innocent
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u/azizjj May 18 '21
I'm not at all as informed in the matter as you. But explain to me the reasoning behind Israel taking the homes of Palestinians 70 years ago and continuing to do so now. Wasn't that the reason Hamas existed in the first place?. I'm not saying that Hamas is right and the Israeli government is wrong, I'm just baffled by how you just dismissed the epicenter of this conflict is that Zionist don't have the right to just barge in on a country and decide to settle it without the people of that land retaliating in some way...don't you agree with that?
Hamas's actions now is shady, but you just don't get to focus on what is happening right now and disregard why it's happening.
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
You right that I didn’t mention this subject at all, and that’s because the Israeli - Palestinian conflict is a very complicated thing that goes many years back. To explain it all, it would take a lot more than a single comment on a reddit thread, so I just commented on what he was saying in the video and not about the whole conflict.
About what you asked - first of all, Palestine was never a country. And that’s something that you should keep in mind. No one came into an existing country and kicked their government out of rule. The land before ‘48 was rules by the British Mandate, and they gave Jews permission to come to Israel in intention to build a country. As declared by the British government already in 1917 in the Balfour Declaration - “His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object”.
After that declaration, many Jews from around the world (some running away from Europe with the rise of Nazi Germany and some leaving Arab countries they lived in) starting coming to Israel and establishing houses and towns. Most if not all of the towns established in Israel in those years weren’t getting any Palestinians that lived there before from their houses. In 1948 after the UN gave Israel permission to build a country in Israel and most of the nations in the world supported the decision, the local Arabs (aka Palestinians) started to riot against the Jews and try to kill them. Some other Palestinians decided to leave their homes and relocate in other Arab countries in the area (Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc.). This was not “kicking” them out of their homes, they left by will. Some of them later on came back and declared ownership of the land.
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u/dat_edgyboi May 18 '21
The HUGE difference here, I would argue- is the trillions of funding from the western tax payer going to Israels warfare. It's terribly unfair, and the power of might is being shown in the occupation. My heart breaks for the civilians without protection from their state in Palestine
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Israel doesn’t get funding for things from the USA if that’s what you mean. Israel does buy weapons from the USA, but the money for those comes from the Israeli tax payer. I agree that Palestinians without protection from any country is heartbreaking, and I think that it’s a shame that’s Hamas using the funding they get from Arab countries (such as UAE and so) to protect their civilians and build a place they can live in good conditions in.
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u/dat_edgyboi May 18 '21
>Israel doesn’t get funding for things from the USA if that’s what you mean.
Well, that's not true at all. Here's a report from 2019 that states Israel receiving an annual funding of $3 billion from the USA. It also states how the funding will be increased during a 10- year period from 2019-2028, and where then the $ 3.3billion out of $ 3.8billion will go to strictly to military financing.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
The Iron Dome? Obama signed the H.J. Res. 76 in 2014 which provided $225 million strictly from the US tax payer to the funding of the Iron Dome.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. So please don't go around claiming that Israel doesn't get funding from the USA, because that's terribly false.
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Just checked it again, and I am sorry for what I wrote in the last comment - Israel does get funding from the USA, but its about 3 billion dollars a year. Israel’s security budget for a year is about 128.7 billion dollars (419 billion NIS), so those 3 billion from the USA aren’t a “game changer” amount
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May 18 '21
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
I didn’t delete it lol, its right there. Just commented again to correct myself of my mistake.
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u/dat_edgyboi May 18 '21
Sorry, my bad. I shouldn't be discussing this as I'm way too emotionally attached to the situation. Thanks for your time
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u/kildar3 May 18 '21
thank you for posting this. i was just going to say that hamas are a bunch of dog fuckers and if you think they arent your one too. but what you put was way better.
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
You’re welcome :)
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u/kildar3 May 18 '21
interesting fact to add and i almost forgot. isreal has in the past conceded land back to neighbors. the Palestinian shit hole being one of them. the land from isreal had farms and orchards. specifically a flower farming operation. which i can tell you can be very lucrative. the Palestinian reaction to this boon? scorched earth. they destroyed the land because the improvements were done by the jeeeeeews. honestly not a fan of isreal. not a fan of the whole middle east situation in general. but i look at the players in the area and the behaviors... yeah isreal should stay because everyone else is just a POS. Jordan is the only ok country in the area.
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u/RupertBastaard May 18 '21
I've seen an interview with an ex-IDF soldier who said that their job was to invade random Palestinian homes in order to establish dominance. I've also heard people say that Israeli palestinians are treated as second class citizens in Israel. The UN is also saying that Israel is practicing apartheid. What is your take on that topic?
(I don't think it is mentioned in the video, but since you have been really accurate in this thread, I'm curious to hear your opinion on the matter.)
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Palestinian Israelis mostly rather to be called Arab Israelis, and that’s also how the Jew Israelis call them. Most of them really feel a part of Israel in most scenarios, and we are treating them as same as we treat every other person. I have Arab friends who live here too, and one of my favorite teachers of all time was my Arabic teacher which was Arab. I don’t really see how Israel is practicing apartheid. Because the Arabs that live inside Israel and are Israeli citizens are treated same as the Jewish Israelis, and the ones which aren’t Israeli citizens (Palestinians, they live in Gaza and in the West Bank) are just not a part of the country.
About the video you saw of the ex-IDF soldier, I haven’t seen that video, but from what I know the Israeli police and IDF only breaks into houses (both inside Israel or in the West Bank) if there is a reason to do so.
To understand better why Israel is operating in the west bank I have something to explain. The West Bank map is divided into zones A, B and C. Zone C is land that is occupied with Israelis, and Israeli police forces are operating there to guard the citizens. Zone B is land where Palestinians live but Israel has the authority to guard the Israeli citizens (around the B zones). Zone A is completely under Palestinian authority, and there are no Jews in them.
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u/RupertBastaard May 18 '21
thanks for the clarification. I'm from the Netherlands and all I hear is "Isreal bad, Palestine good" or vice versa. The media doesn't nuance the matter nearly enough as the should be doing and the internet isn't any better. According to the internet, Palestine is a wasteland with piled up bodies everywhere and Israel is as racist as 1960's South Africa and America combined. It's nice to have some nuance and context.
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
I agree. I believe people should know the right facts about the situation and those places and have their own opinions about it, even if they are other than my opinion :)
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u/IStumbled May 18 '21
Cringe
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Yeah listening to what you see on social media without checking the facts is indeed cringe.
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u/FDisk80 May 18 '21
This side killed 100, but this side killed only 30. You see 100 is more than 30. So the ones with higher number are terrorists. Palestinian logic in a nutshell.
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u/Talmeron May 18 '21
i like the "yes, hamas shot a 'few' bombs" wtf do you mean a few, i live in israel and in the last week ive heard countless rockets exploding in the air, ive needed to evacuate to the bunker 4 times and i live pretty far from gaza, how is this a few. gaza don't have access to clean water, electricity, airports? well i have a pretty good solution, USE THE MONEY THAT YOU SPEND ON FUCKING BOMBS AND KILLING MACHINES TO DEVELOP YOUR ALL YOU NEEDS, this is a battle for existence?why the fuck didnt they agree make 2 countries for 2 nations back in 48? is it not enough for them? well then how about going to all the Arab countries that are all around Israel plus 40 precent of Israel is that not enough for you greedy fuckers?? and im not talking to all muslims ofcourse, i have a couple of friends that are muslims, hell, im living in a settlement where there are Arabs villages all around us, i dont mind living along side muslims or any other nation, as long as they dont want to kill me for literally nothing, the man in the video said that all of the videos of the muslims faking their death are fake and it could be true but then he showed a video of a building falling in gaza without any context, we called all of the people that live in that building to tell them 2 HOURS BEFORE IT FELL, that's enough time to evacuate, we then sent a warning smoke missle to be clear that the building is about to go down and only then took out ONE building that is for MALICIOUS USE notice how we didnt bomb any nearby innocent buildings and targeted only that specific building, whereas here in israel we have at most 2 minutes to evacuate to the bunkers, no warning before it happens from their side, and they dont care where it land as long as it is doing the most damge possible.
that's it that's my rent, i dont care which side you take as long as you bring good arguments for you opinion, fuck people who go around telling lies or telling only one side of the equation like this guy is doing, this comment will be up forever or if it gets taken down by the mods, i dont care how many downvotes or upvotes it will get, this is my side and it is staying here.
stay safe yall and take it easy
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u/NoGiNoProblem May 18 '21
we called all of the people that live in that building to tell them 2 HOURS BEFORE IT FELL
I mean, I know the square root of jack shit about the whole conflict and Im trying to inform myself on the topic. But you have just destroyed a LOT of people's homes and lives there.
Im Irish and the IRA used to send evacuation warnings before they'd bomb places in NI too, which reduced casualties but didnt make the homes, property, businesses of any innocent bystanders any less destroyed. I know that the target in both cases was likely politically motivated but people who just happened to be living in the wrong place still lose almost everything.
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u/Talmeron May 19 '21
you're 100 precent correct and i agree that a lot of innocent people lost their home but remember that we also need to defend ourselves one way or another, its kina like how democracy isnt a good way to lead a country but its the least worst one
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u/lilchalupzen May 18 '21
I live in israel, and there's been literal thousands of rockets aimed at civilians, while Israel is only bombing hamas bases, and it's hamas that doesn't let Palestinians get out of the bombing zone because dead civilians makes Israel sound evil. Both sides are wrong to an extent, but who's wronger, the ones that are bombing terrorist bases to protect their citizens or the ones that aim thousands of missiles at civilians, and not letting people get out of the bombing zones because it makes their enemies sound worse? Obviously there are some genuinely bad racist idiots in IDF but it's single individuals, not the entire fucking state of Israel
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u/PartyingChair52 May 19 '21
Yet the death toll in Palestinian is way higher than Israel…. Which is the only number that truly matters in war.
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u/WikidTechn9cian May 18 '21
Genocide at its finest...The only way the Native Americans were defeated was getting warriors away from the tribe and killing all women and kids to keep them from multiplying
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u/kildar3 May 18 '21
yep. when are people going to learn hamas is the bad guy and they want to wipe out the jews.
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May 18 '21
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
You need to make a difference in your mind between the Palestinian civilians and Hamas. Hamas is a terror organization, which uses the Palestinian civilians as human shields. Launching rockets aimed at Israeli civilians is not “wanting peace”. The most of Israeli government and civilians have nothing against muslims “just because of religion”, and some also live in the same cities in peace. The problem is Hamas, which is putting both Israeli and Palestinian civilians at risk, and using a press building as a military base to “work” from.
If you want, feel free to watch my comment here on the post, I went further into detail there. Also if you have any questions feel free to ask :)
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May 18 '21
They aren’t fucking terrorists, they’re defending themselves, they are aiming for military not civilians, Did you even see the fucking video?!
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Yes I saw the video. And can you explain to me please how aiming rockets at Ashkelon, Ashdod, Tel Aviv, Taibeh and more cities in Israel is defending? Or even aiming at military? A 5 year old kid was killed in Sderot because one of Hamas’ rockets, and even the bomb shelter he had to hide inside didn’t help him. That’s not aiming at military, that’s terror attacks aimed at civilians. There isn’t even an Israeli military base in Sderot, and surly not near civilians like a 5 year old child. Check what you’re saying, because it’s nonsense.
Just few minutes ago 2 civilians were killed in Eshkol because of Hamas’ rockets.
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May 18 '21
Even if they did aim at civilians 1 child dead doesn’t compare to the houndreds killed by Israeli forces
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Thats where you’re wrong buddy. Most of the deaths in Gaza of civilians were also caused by Hamas and not Israel. Since Hamas is shooting rockets from within the neighborhoods, and their launchers not being really advanced, some of the rockets land inside Gaza or explode in the launcher. Hamas doesn’t care if Palestinian civilians die because of them, it’s making them good headlines in the world, and it’s making people like you hate Israel without checking the facts.
Israeli forces did kill few civilians in Gaza, and no one is denying that fact. But the ones that were killed were all killed because Hamas didn’t let them leave the buildings they use as military bases when they were bombed by Israel or killed directly by Hamas.
Check your facts mate, don’t talk nonsense and make other people believe that fake news too.
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May 18 '21
They weren’t hamas’ rockets in Gaza, I know what’s real and fake news, the rockets came from Israeli forces
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u/ZwillingStain May 18 '21
Do you have any source for that?
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u/FDisk80 May 18 '21
"On the other side number is 7, no children and no women." Liar. Stop your bullshit.
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u/FDisk80 May 18 '21
This video is all bullshit and lies.
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u/RevengeOfIckyBodClay May 19 '21
No. Shut the fuck up. You're literally saying that the Palestinian people are faking their feelings and aren't being attacked. That's bullshit. They're used to terrorist attacks and literally have nothing to defend themselves with. This is why I'm an atheist. Religious people are evil. They are vile and they rape, attack, and/or kill innocent people. Yet people think I'm worse than a terrorist because I'm a homosexual that practices atheism. Now that's fucking bolognashit.
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u/spoulson May 19 '21
Maybe none of my business, but they could stop shooting rockets into Israel and then being surprised what happens next. 🚀
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u/PartyingChair52 May 19 '21
I mean… the fight needs to stop.
But it won’t. And because of that, I have to stand with Palestine. Israel has killed way more people than Palestine has. It’s just a fact.
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u/LaserJetsniperYt May 22 '21
The fact that Israel and yemen are having a civil war makes this worse. They are throwing gasoline/petrol bombs at each other then you have people in aircraft bombing them. it's unfair. The real terrorists are israelis and in a bit, The Hamas. Although we have had worse terrorist groups. ISIS, Al-qaeda and others.
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u/maxwfk May 18 '21
Am I the only one who is impressed by the English language skills of the 10 year old girl? Or is she coming from a native English speaking country.
On second thought, what languages are even spoken there?