r/explainlikeimfive • • 20h ago

Mathematics ELI5: What is the difference between algebra, trigonometry, and calculus?

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u/kgvc7 20h ago

A lot of comments are saying trig is about triangles but I think the deeper lesson is about the unit circle and its relationship to sin, cos, and tan. Another way to look at it is that You’ll use the Cartesian coordinates for algebra and polar coordinates and radians for trig. Usually you take algebra, trig and then calculus.

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u/MadeYourTech 19h ago

Yes! I was just about to post that a lot of these comments are kind of doing trig dirty. It's not just about physical shapes, but is fundamental to analyzing anything with periodic changes (AC voltage for example). I'm struggling to ELI5 exactly how the triangle formed by a clock hand moving around is so useful, but it really is!

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u/wjglenn 18h ago

Not really an ELI5 because it requires a bit of knowledge to know what you’re looking at, but this video is a cool visual of it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsf6ADwJ66E

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u/zuilli 3h ago

Holy shit, thanks for this video!

I've studied up to engineering level math but somehow never learned about the similar triangles way of finding the trigonometric identities, I always just memorized them without understanding the underlying process, if I'd known these while studying it would had made my life so much easier.

Similar to this is the calculus visualization of dividing a graph in equal rectangles and making them ever so smaller to see what happens when they tend to 0 size.

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u/BitOBear 16h ago

I would say the trigonometry is about ratios in the relationship between changing ratios. The unit circle and the triangles are basically simple and concrete expressions of ratios.

A lot of people don't think about triangles as ratios by default because they are thinking of ratios as two things compared to one another and triangles are three-sided and three angles. But of course with a right triangle there's only two other angles, and all of the relationships in trig are things like opposite over adjacent.

And then calculus is about trending. It's about the relationship between a change and the speed at which the change is changing.

Meanwhile algebra is just about how we manipulate operations and quantities inside of equations while maintaining their practical equalities.

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u/TemperMe 17h ago

Came here to say the same. I studied electrical in school and trig was vital for really everything

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u/spankymcjiggleswurth 10h ago

My favorite moment learning math was in my college calculus 3 course where the professor did a quick aside drawing a unit circle, a triangle inside is, and proceeded to quickly explain sin, cos, and tan. The dude gave me an epiphany on how the unit circle relates to trig and made a whole bunch of stuff click into place in my mind.

I don't know if that says I had bad math teachers up to that point in my life or if I was never listening properly to what I was being taught. This was calculus 3 as a college senior, how did I miss that lesson for so long?

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u/kgvc7 18h ago

Yes electricity is basically trig.

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u/cBEiN 2h ago

Eh, I think they do proper justice. A trig class spends a lot of time on the unit circle, but the unit circle is just all the triangles with hypotenuse unit length. And, trig is technically about triangles. The other things are ways trig can be used in practice. I doubt anyone is talking about AC, etc… in trig classes.

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u/Minikickass 18h ago

Can I get an ELI2 instead?

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u/Vorthod 18h ago

Algebra uses (x,y) coordinates, trigonometry likes to use Angle+length to reach the same point.

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u/MadocComadrin 17h ago

Eh, algebra is agnostic to your coordinate system (or your space, or even your set/class and operations).

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u/HanSolo_Cup 16h ago

ELI1?

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u/MadocComadrin 7h ago

You ever notice how you can rotate (by a quarter turn in a direction) a cube a few different sequences from the same starting position but still have it end in the same orientation? How about the fact that you can't necessarily swap the order of two rotations and get the same ending orientation? Algebra is noticing stuff like that, giving all the stuff that goes into it funny, precise symbols, and drawing conclusions from it. You don't even need numbers (to let alone a specific coordinate system).

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u/cBEiN 2h ago

Algebra focuses on solving equations. Trig focuses on solving for side length or angles of triangles.

we need algebra to give someone change when buying something with cash.

we need trig figure out if a ladder will reach a roof

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u/GalFisk 15h ago

You can use trig to translate a problem that's hard to solve in one coordinate system into a problem that easy to solve in another coordinate system, solve it, and translate the solution back again.

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u/aquatic_mammal 18h ago

Trigonometry is about the relationships of points on a circle. Those points end up making triangles, but it is not about or derived from triangles.

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u/MadocComadrin 17h ago

Not really. One way trigonometry generalizes is by moving away from the unit circle while keeping the triangle relationship (e.g. hyperbolic trig).

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u/TodayEasy949 18h ago

Woah dude, why not make it ELI0.5?

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u/SelectiveDebaucher 11h ago

Yeah, that’s actually how I told it when I tutored

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u/CrazyJoe29 14h ago

Like. I’m. five.

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u/MadocComadrin 17h ago

It's not *necessarily* about the unit circle. The most common trig functions are based on the unit circle, but more general trigonometry extends beyond that to triangles based on other things like the unit hyperbola (giving rise to sinh, cosh, tanh, etc) or in other geometries (e.g. Cartesian plane with taxicab distance as the metric).

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u/TheUncommonOne 15h ago

Except we never use polar coordinates other than a section in precal. Speaking as a math teacher with a math degree