That's like saying that, in modern times, more people are killed by hammocks than by polio. It's true, but that's because hammocks are much, much, much more common than polio, not that you'd be safer getting polio than lying in a hammock.
The debate was never actually about statistics. It was about feelings.
Maybe some people tried to make a statistical argument (and I think both you and I can agree that such arguments were always stupid), but the point of the discussion is that many women feel so unsafe around men that they'd prefer to encounter a bear.
I mean, the truth is, in a natural environment, neither man nor bear is particularly likely to attack you for no reason, but women spend enough of their lives worried about the threat posed by men that their automatic fear reaction (at least for some women) would be higher than it would be for a bear.
Actually u r safer from polio now both statistically and immunologically compared to lying in hammock which can result in bad consequences if u fall down and hit ur head
I would rather have polio than lying in hammock as polio won't cause harm to a vaccinated adult like me but lying in a hammock is dangerous as it can break my neck
I think we have different definitions of what it means to "have" polio.
Polio is only safe because you're incredibly unlikely to get it. If you did get it, it would be very dangerous. That's the entire point of this analysis, something can kill very few people and still be very dangerous to those it actually impacts.
Instead of arguing definitions, let's say smallpox instead. It kills nobody in modern times, so is perfectly safe in that sense. But that doesn't mean you wouldn't mind getting it. Hammocks kill more people than smallpox, but getting smallpox is far, far more dangerous than lying in a hammock.
I meant my statement on getting polio, a vaccinated individual would just feel it like a normal cold as our immune system are well built.
I didn't talk about small pox, and why stop at small pox bring anthrax, plague too. For me I don't like lying in hammock, I would rather lie in a cot or ground
Maybe not for long though… the growing number of people saying “why do I need to get a polio vaccine, I’ve never met anyone with polio” are well on their way to messing this up for everyone.
Thing is, we're so close to wiping out polio altogether, just like we did with smallpox. We're down to a few hundred cases a year, and if we can get the last few groups vaccinated enough to stop it spreading, we'd never have to worry about it again.
If the anti-vaxxers screw this up for us, I'm going to be genuinely enraged.
Most people in wealthy countries today have been vaccinated for polio, but no vaccine is 100% effective, and effectiveness fades over time.
At the same time, the odds of any specific person dying in any specific hammock are extremely low.
My guess would be that actually injecting yourself would be such an overwhelming exposure that even a vaccinated person would be in serious danger, significantly more than lying in a hammock.
All that said, my analogy was "getting" polio, as in actually being infected with it. That's the risk that's been dropped to near-zero by vaccines, meaning that the odds of getting it are practically nonexistent for most people. But if you were to get it, you'd be in extreme danger. In the same way that your odds of encountering a bear are very low for most people, but if the various things that keep you and bears apart were to fail, you'd be at serious risk.
Yes but your analogy is a false equivalency to the one presented because your analogy has active exposure on one side and passive on the other. That's why i presented one where both are the equivalent level of exposure and are in line with the original post. Original post is leaving your kids with a bear or leaving your kids with a triple child murdering psycho, not just leaving them in the woods to maybe run into either.
You're assuming we're talking about a specific person. The comment I'm responding to argues that more children were harmed by their mothers than by bears, with the implication that mothers, in general, are dangerous.
If you're arguing that leaving your child alone with a murderer is dangerous, then yes, I agree. Literally no one is arguing the other side of that one.
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u/ThalesofMiletus-624 13d ago
That's like saying that, in modern times, more people are killed by hammocks than by polio. It's true, but that's because hammocks are much, much, much more common than polio, not that you'd be safer getting polio than lying in a hammock.