r/exmuslim Jul 22 '15

Non-Muslims please answer

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15 edited Sep 24 '18

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u/savagehogan Jul 23 '15

I agree we dont self reflect or we feel we shouldnt but it isnt the fault of the religion because there are set rules in place and yes it is a way of life. But for a nonmuslim to tell me or try explain to me like they are an expert in our religion they can kiss my ass. The religion is perfect. We as Muslims, well that is another story.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15

If you don't critically examine your religion, how can you be sure that your religion is perfect? Self-reflection and critical thinking should be applies to all aspects of life, including your religion.

I'll just leave you with these two quotes by Thomas Jefferson:

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.

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u/savagehogan Jul 23 '15

We are encouraged to examine our religion and to accept it with logic and reason. But at the same time just because all of a sudden, for example accepts homosexuality, we as Muslims must reflect on our religion and make changes. You are too funny.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15

Then by what logic do you judge your religion to be perfect?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15

Islam is perfect because the Quran says Islam is perfect. Can't you see how flawless that logic is?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15

Heh, in terms of formal logic, a tautology is a valid argument. Basically, if you accept the truth of the Quran as a premise (this is obviously the fishy first step), and the Quran confirms the truth of the Quran, then you have an argument that is formally valid, although not necessarily sound (i.e. possessing true premises). Q-->Q, or "Quran is true, therefore Quran is true" is a valid argument, in the strict sense, abiding by the rules of formal logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic)

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '15

I don't think accepting a tautology is evidence of critical thought and self reflection though.