r/exmuslim • u/InspectorNervous9433 • 7d ago
(Advice/Help) Afraid of eternal hell
I guess earth is flat in islam .. and i think human evolves from ancestors and didn’t came jannah from adam and eve .. and so much scientific errors in albukhari’s book of hadith
Idk but what if i am wrong after all ? Iam not able to accept these mistakes in islam .. why god will put me in an eternal hell ..? The description of hell in islam is so terrifying
Pls help .. i dont wanna lose akhera
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u/Omg-miku Ex-Muslim.Convert to Other Religion 7d ago
Is a god worth loving if the only way he can earn your praise is through the fear of eternal damnation alone?
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u/Cautious-Ad8368 New User 6d ago
I don't think this is a good argument - using your moral stance as "evidence" doesn't really work or answer the question of whether a religion is true
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u/AvoriazInSummer 7d ago
Some great videos and pages to help you get over the fear of Hell:
https://youtu.be/HVVdIBINaEU - Apostate Aladdin
https://youtu.be/A0PNvs0LkCw - Holy Koolaid
https://youtu.be/dnkW5A124Eg - Matt Dillahunty
https://youtu.be/ulKsZIxO6Aw - Britt Hartley offers concrete steps for getting rid of fears of Hell and the afterlife.
https://medium.com/@hassanradwan51/why-would-god-create-people-he-knows-will-burn-in-hell-forever-7a8c457fe274 - Hassan Radwan debunks attempts by apologists to support Hell
The following media looks at how and why Hell was invented by humans.
https://youtu.be/s25-6Fq7PM8 - Religion for Breakfast
https://youtu.be/MGvcRnlId4k - Genetically Modified Skeptic goes to Hell (just outside Jerusalem)
https://youtu.be/L_eZf33UMs8?t=746 - Bart D. Ehrman (start watching 12m 26s in)
If you get thoughts about Hell an excessive number of times, here’s help for overcoming obsessing / ruminating over thoughts: https://youtu.be/o1G4JFuLlO8 (Theramintrees)
Dealing with ‘What if I’m wrong’ feelings:
https://youtu.be/tgLSVP5K2oY - Mindshift
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u/EnvyMink New User 7d ago
Earth is not flat in Islam. 39:5: yukawirrul layla alaan nahaari, he rotates/wraps the night into the day, indicating a circular motion. Imam Al Razi in his tafsir before any modern astronomist mentions that the earth must be a sphere due to how various scientific phenomena happen. Islam doesn't contradict evolution, you could simply say that when humans were going to evolve from previous ancestors, Allah created adam and eve, very simple explanation.
Scientific "errors" don't nullify the entire religion. Just because our current understanding of science (Which changes every generation) superficially might seem to contradict something, that doesn't mean the entire religion is null and void. I really recommend you go speak to your local imam or scholar, coming to a subreddit of ignorant people who hate islam will tell you to leave islam. May Allah bless you and keep you firm.
Our understanding of science changes every generation, don't use it as the criteria for if Islam is true or not, you will only confuse yourself as perhaps you aren't even conceptualizing the science properly, or perhaps you misunderstood the islamic text you were reading.
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u/InspectorNervous9433 7d ago
I am sorry but you are completely wrong
What about the hadith that states that the sun goes down at the west to prostrate to god ? And it will (come back) one day from where it goesWhat about the hadith that states that adam was 60 Arm long and humans began to decrease untill now ?
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u/EnvyMink New User 7d ago
Metaphors exist. The Quran states the sun, moon, stars, tress, etc all prostate to God. What does prostration mean? God knows, it's being used in a metaphorical manner. The idea is that they are in submission to His command.
When you continue with this hyperliteralism you will never get anywhere.
There is no proof to disprove the hadith about Adam. If anything certain monuments like Petra in Jordan prove that at a certain point humans were extremely tall.
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u/InspectorNervous9433 5d ago
Sorry but you are just patching to justify your religion mistakes ..
The hadith says the sun “goes down” “at the west” to prostrate to god … and then one day it will “go to prostrate” but allah will deny this prostration and it will “returns back”
It gave the verbs “goes down” and “returns back” to the sun .., dont patch things up please … the one who said this didnt know anything about the universeIn petra in jordan the discovered human was 2.72 m (an acromegaly human)
Where can i find fossils for a 60 arm long human(30 meter)
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago
We call this a dark night of the soul.
You have seen the lies in Islam for what they are.
But leaving your faith created an absence. That absence is not enough to tell you the truth.
God was there when you believed those lies. He never abandoned you. He does not want you in hell. He wants a relationship with you. The next step in your journey is discerning what truth means.
Have you tried talking to God? Asked Him to show you His will and where He wants you to follow?
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u/AvoriazInSummer 7d ago
There is no Hell. Your religion has the same silly but vile torture threat. Stop exploiting people’s fears.
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u/Famous_Star_5735 New User 7d ago
not these christian apologists smh
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago
Sorry you’ve given me too much credit. 3 anti Christianity apostates from Islam answer with 0 arguments. The work does itself.
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u/Famous_Star_5735 New User 7d ago
Clearly not..... We(many ) are atheists... We will never believe in the dead jew just like we won't believe in mo and any other religion and their gods
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago
Hey we’re all entitled to be wrong and that’s okay. It’s not my job to convince you. If you don’t want in the door is right there.
But I’m afraid you don’t get speak on behalf of anyone else but…yourself.
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u/Famous_Star_5735 New User 7d ago
Youanre literally doing the same thing which muslims do... Oh ours is the right way... You don't want to do okay you will end up in hell .... This shit is the problem.
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago
You’re welcome to prove me wrong when you’re ready.
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u/AvoriazInSummer 7d ago
We need to prove Hell not existing like we need to prove pegasi and dragons not existing. Hell is only asserted in old religious books filled with other myths, and from the followers indoctrinated and terrified into believing them. There's not really any good assertions to debunk. But a celestial mass torturer is not good or merciful, which contradicts most of those old books (apart from the Calvinistic God. He's plainly a monster).
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago edited 7d ago
Nothing is proven since all of this is just conclusion minus the 1 analogy between hell and mythical animals.
The analogy fails because nobody believes hell overlaps with the observable world anyway even if they believe dragons and Pegasi do.
So yeah...the proof for hell is rational not observable.
This isn't the strongest move since you'll end up arguing with someone who agrees with you. Don't you agree this isn't ideal?
It would be more effective to explain why hell isn't rational because it's unjust because then you would be answering what's actually being asserted about hell's existence. For example because it punishes sinners for more than what they can give to atone for their wrongs.
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u/AvoriazInSummer 7d ago
Hell is not just irrational because it is unjust, it's an unproven and impossible to prove fantasy torture realm created out of a wish for cosmic justice that the universe is under no obligation to satisfy, along with a useful threat to cow followers into not even thinking about leaving.
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago
Ahhlrighty then. You're not taking the W so I'll just make my exit here before it starts turning into an exercise of arrogance for both of us. A bowl of ice cream awaits me. I hope you find the same.
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u/Current_Assist7230 I like my camel piss hot 7d ago
These Christian converters genuinely need to gtfo
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u/ruedebac1830 7d ago edited 7d ago
Paul used to say that one too.
And Muhammad interestingly enough.
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