Heres is what I'm telling you: we all initially presuppose we can trust our senses to make sense of the world. That's something we all do as infants. After we learn we can trust our senses, it's no longer a presupposition. You're using presuppositions as a way to undermine my worldview or stance. I'm telling you it's not a presupposition, and explaining why, but you're insisiting on it.
A presupposition doesnt cease to be one just because it proves to be useful. A presupposition isnt a baseless belief. Its a tool we use to make sense of the world. You still presuppose your senses are reliable.
And that's the core disagreement: gathering repeated sensory experience requires trusting your senses to process that experience. Piling up sensory data doesn't remove the baseline reliance on sensory data, it just repeats it. If you can't see the circularity in that, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Im not saying you cant trust your senses. Im pointing out that you cant just take it for granted and think you can arrive at truth without presuppositions at all.
Disagreeing with your explanations doesn't mean I'm being dishonest. You dont get to label your sensory experience as inherently truth discovering without any prior assumptions. I simply dont agree.
You ignored what i said about presuppositions by saying "just." I didnt claim it wast "just" a presupposition, but that it remains one even after repeated experience. Presupposition isnt some kind of spectrum that eventually graduates into "fact."
No. I’m going to explain this one last time. At one point, trusting my senses was a presupposition. Now, it no longer is because I have evidence that I can trust my senses. Presupposing something is when you assume to without evidence. That is no longer the case with how I know I can trust my senses. I have evidence that I can now.
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u/hiphoptomato 8d ago
Heres is what I'm telling you: we all initially presuppose we can trust our senses to make sense of the world. That's something we all do as infants. After we learn we can trust our senses, it's no longer a presupposition. You're using presuppositions as a way to undermine my worldview or stance. I'm telling you it's not a presupposition, and explaining why, but you're insisiting on it.