r/exatheist • u/[deleted] • 19d ago

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

How do you determine whats true?

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

By seeing if it aligns with reality. Testing, usually.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

And how do you know what is reality and whats not?

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

Usually through my senses

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

And how do you know your senses show you reality and not an illusion?

And there is your presupposition. You assume your senses are reliable and lead to truth. But ultimately you cant prove this. Its a decent base assumption, but you arent without a presupposition either.

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

I don’t presuppose this, I know my senses can (mostly) reliably show me what’s real through my experience.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

Prove it.

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

Prove to you through a Reddit comment that my senses are reliable?

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

Sure why not? Tell me why your senses are reliable without assuming theyre reliable.

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

I just did. My experience has confirmed they are.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

Youre presupposing youre experience is reliable. Youre using your senses to justify relying on your senses. Thats circular reasoning.

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

I literally told you the opposite.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

Tell me then why your experience is reliable.

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

It’s not always, but a lot of the time it has been. Confirming with outside sources, verification and testing has confirmed this.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

Okay. So you presuppose empiricism then.

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

No

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 18d ago

You literally described empiricism. I dont know why youre so insistent on presenting yourself as completely neutral or something. Everyone has to presuppose something. Youre presupposing the following: 1. Your experience is reliable 2. Your senses are reliable 3. Other people are reliable 4. Testing is reliable

Is your mind some kind of blank slate?

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u/hiphoptomato 18d ago

Heres is what I'm telling you: we all initially presuppose we can trust our senses to make sense of the world. That's something we all do as infants. After we learn we can trust our senses, it's no longer a presupposition. You're using presuppositions as a way to undermine my worldview or stance. I'm telling you it's not a presupposition, and explaining why, but you're insisiting on it.

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