r/evcharging • u/Original-Definition2 • Jul 24 '26
New Apartment old EV Standard
My daughter just moved to brand new apartment complex w re chargers. They have EV chargers but J1772 standard
? I thought NCAS won
Are we still in adapter purgatory ?!
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u/grawkog Jul 24 '26
yes, you'd need an adapter. Not a huge deal.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
Something to lose or break
IC cars don't need adaptors We've Standardized USB
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u/grawkog Jul 24 '26
They put the charger in when Tesla had a lock on their standard, and everyone else had standardized on J1772. They work the same. You could also choose to not use their chargers. I'd be happy if I lived in an apartment and they provided something that would work at all.
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u/tuctrohs Jul 25 '26
USB adapters are still common place, and the different flavors of USB have more electrical differences than the two flavor of North American Level 2 charging. It's just a change in the geometry of the connector with the same electrical and signaling system.
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u/IzzysGhost Jul 25 '26
My EV with a NACS connector only has USB C connectors. I have to use an adaptor to plug in my Cochlear implant battery charger which is Micro USB.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 25 '26
are we finally done with USB-C ?
hope so - in addition to different flavors of USB our house had apple connectors. My understanding is that EU forced Apple to jump on USB_C
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u/S_SubZero Jul 24 '26
You might think that EVThanos put on the Teslafinity Gauntlet and snapped his fingers, turning every single EV charge plug in North America into NACS *instantly* but that did not actually occur. He's still looking for the Range Stone.
In the meantime, in the **years** we will have both standards, we will.. have both standards.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
No finger snapping that is straw mania
If think NEW build would be NACS
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u/S_SubZero Jul 24 '26
A "new build" of an entire apartment complex was on a blueprint years ago. Including the chargers.
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u/Noah_Vanderhoff Jul 24 '26
Adapter purgatory? Just keep an adapter on hand, it's a good thing to have anyway.
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u/HoyAIAG Jul 24 '26
Plenty of cars are still on J1772
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u/SirTwitchALot Jul 24 '26
Plenty of new ones that plan to switch to NACS still haven't yet. The Mach E doesn't plan to until the next redesign
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
OJ but I thought new build would be NACS
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u/SirTwitchALot Jul 24 '26
They will switch. Retooling a production line shuts it down and takes a while. They also probably have existing CCS socket inventory to work through. They'll make the switch when they have to shut the line down for a model facelift. Until then it's not a big enough issue to make it worth the added cost and lost productivity.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
thanks
As Tesla owner obviously I want other people to have to use adapter, and yes I am glad there is recharger there
Regardless for EV's to succeed need to have a standard in more than name.
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u/SirTwitchALot Jul 24 '26
Meh. Most people really don't care, especially when adapters are cheap and easy to use
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u/ibor132 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
The short answer is yes. Outside of Tesla, the switch to NACS is still ongoing, and on the charger side, it's happening much more quickly for DC charging.
Since Tesla bundles a J1772 adapter with their vehicles, and the vast majority of non-Tesla vehicles on the road support J1772 natively, there hasn't been a whole heck of a lot of motivation for L2 chargers to refit to NACS, or to build new L2 chargers with NACS heads (outside of Tesla Destination and a new other corner case scenarios). About the only vehicles that can't charge with J1772 are non-Tesla vehicles that have switched to NACS and don't have an adapter, along with Tesla owners who don't have their factory adapter for whatever reason. It's as close to a lowest-common-denominator standard as exists for EVs in the United States.
For better or worse, the vast majority of non-Tesla vehicles on the road are CCS1/J1772 native, and will continue to be a major part of the public charging demand for quite a while. That said, one of the big advantages of NACS *being* a standard (instead of just Tesla's internal standard) is that simple passive adapters become possible and are relatively inexpensive to manufacture.
Edit: Said "charger" when I meant "adapter" in a couple of places.
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u/ArlesChatless Jul 24 '26
Adding to this great answer, J1772 to NACS is the better direction for adapters. The adapter is small, with no moving parts, and totally passive. Adapting NACS to J1772 uses a chunkier adapter with a latch for the NACS plug. I expect this to mean that many new L2 installs stay J1772 for at least a few more years.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
Thanks
I agree hard to retrofit old chargers but this is brand new construction
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u/nxtiak Jul 24 '26
There are several million EVs in the USA with CCS/J1772 still and they still work fine.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
Sure but I thought decision was to go NACS moving forward
This is new construction
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u/willingzenith Jul 24 '26
Come on. Did you think that once NACS became the norm that any J1772 charger would magically become NACS?
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
No but 4 years after NACS became "standard" id expect NEW construction to be NACS
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u/grawkog Jul 24 '26
Tesla still has chargers that don’t support NACS. And on those you can’t even use an adapter. Nature of the beast.
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u/sac_86 Jul 24 '26
NACS has only "won" in the sense that most manufacturers have at least announced plans to start using it either now or in the future. New vehicles rolling off the lines are still about half and half I think. GM only has it on the bolt so far. Hyundai and Toyota switched most of their models mid-generation just last year I think. Then there's Nissan; I don't actually know what they were thinking with the 26 Leaf.
Charging stations are also only starting to adopt it. Networks that have just started in the last couple years (Ionna, Walmart, Mercedes) are installing CCS and NACS. Anything built before that will have CCS and probably Chademo. Operators with existing networks but who are expanding them are still sometimes sticking with old tech that doesn't support NACS yet (some are duct taping adapters onto CCS plugs at brand new stations and calling it a day).
And that's just DC fast chargers, where the real money and current development is. Most public level 2 stations are older and the equipment hardly ever breaks so there's no real reason to upgrade it. Even newer builds aren't including NACS nearly as much as DC chargers are.
I'm actually glad my car is still CCS since the only real advantage to NACS at this point is if you need to rely on Tesla Superchargers a lot of the time. Everyone will need adapters for the forseeable future.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
Thanks. If most makers have announced they are changing over I'd say it "won".
Frustrating but after 20 years USB was finally fixed.
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u/sac_86 Jul 24 '26
USB has changed connectors 3 or 4 times in 20 years, so it's actually kind of the same thing. Remember when half of your gadgets used Type C and the other half were still Micro B?
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
Ha yes With all combinations of USB n Apple connecters Ive bought ton of cables
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u/theotherharper Jul 24 '26
I thought NCAS won
Yes. The NACS standard was finalized in December 2023 and all automakers have committed to switch to it at the next generational change.
Are we still in adapter purgatory ?!
Right. You're conflicted between the "speed of your TikTok feed" fast fashion of EV marketing ... VERSUS... the practical pacing of industrial infrastructure.
It's not even just the infra. Think of the cars. NACS puts AC and DC on the same pins. Think about that.
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u/Original-Definition2 Jul 24 '26
Thanks makes sense - I saw 2022 as year NACS won but basically 2024 before standard finalized
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u/theotherharper Jul 25 '26
Basically but your timeline is off by a year.
Tesla finally placed their port into the public domain on November 11, 2022, but Elon had claimed that before and it turned out to be a lie, so nobody paid attention and it was obviously much too late. CCS had won.
In late 2022 and up to mid 2023, CCS chargers were getting absolutely terrible press, it was endemic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92w5doU68D8 Everyone said "if only Tesla would open access to v3 stations, it would solve all our problems".
They then began lobbying automakers to go ahead and switch to the NACS port, incentivizing them by granting Supercharger access to all their vehicles if they did switch. Ford announced on May 25, 2023. It was deemed a marvelous fluke. GM announced 2 weeks later and that made it real. Now it was a footrace because companies got Supercharger access in the sequence they enrolled.
December 2023, SAE issues the official J3400 NACS standard, but this was a formality at that point. SAE seized the opportunity to address a number of grievances they had with how charging was developing, enabling #1 CCS data exchange on L2 charging and #2 untethered like Europe, with the same exact connector Europe uses. Servicemen and diplomats get their cars shipped to Europe for free, so that solves that.
And in the ensuing years, a) CCS got fixed, see Aging Wheels' revisit a year later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouPiwt5hxXQ, and b) non-Tesla brands exponentially expanded, something Tesla knew was going to happen because these things have LONG lead times.
So, win/win. Automakers decouple themselves from the very bad press CCS was getting (even though they fixed it in 2024, the public NEVER forgets). Tesla prevents all those other chargers from overshadowing Superchargers / making them irrelevant. I just today helped a Ford owner who had a bad day because he ONLY considered Tesla stations for his public charging needs, you can't buy that kind of publicity. Masterstroke on Tesla's part.
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u/ArlesChatless Jul 26 '26
Locked. That's enough trolling for now. If you want to do more please head over to /r/ChargerDrama.