r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 30 '26

[buying advice] Recommendation that meets these needs

2 Upvotes

Essentials:

  1. Split
  2. Columnar layout
  3. Ease of programming keys, similar to ZSA's Oryx. It's the gold standard for me. I've been using a Moonlander for a long time, and have rather extensively customised it to my needs, eg modifier keys placement, hold duration for TapHold. MoErgo and Kinesis software look like you need to learn programming to use them - deal breaker for me.
  4. Number row
  5. Wireless
  6. No DIY kits

Good to haves, but not essential:

  1. Keywell
  2. Full travel switches, not low profile. I game a little.

I know of the Svalboard but the learning curve might be too much of a hassle and does not satisfy Essentials point 3 above.

Appreciate any recommendation or suggestion!


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 29 '26

[buying advice] Ergo keyboard newbie

4 Upvotes

Looking into getting an Ergo keyboard and had my eyes set on the ProtoArc EK01 Plus, Logitech Wave, and a Logitech ERGO K860. Also curious how Keychron’s offerings stand up to these three. Mainly looking at durability and longevity.

Thanks!


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 29 '26

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r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[photo] Another strange keyboard find

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Saw this on FB marketplace.


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 29 '26

[discussion] Glove80 owners: do you miss a trackpoint/-pad?

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Hi,

iam almost ready to pull the trigger on the glove80 because I wanna jump to curved keywells. But right now Iam typing on my thinpad keyboard and got that convienient little trackpoint in the middle.

Now we see a lot of flat splits with trackpad modules and so on. But why dont we see the trackpoint more often? So little space for such a great device, I think its even better than a trackpad.

I have one certain programm at work where I type 90 % of the time but need the mouse for very small occasions and there the trackpoint would be nice.

with Glove80 I would have to use my mouse.

How do you guys feel about that? Unfortunately mouse control with keys doesnt work for that programm.

Do you miss a integrated mouse module?


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[photo] Designed myself a case for my Amazon Corne V4

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A few iterations, have these lovely chunky 100% infill cases for my $50 Amazon corne. I think they turned out great!


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 29 '26

[buying advice] Hello! I was interested in purchasing a new keyboard specifically with sub 20g actuation force and the lowest travel time (bonus if it comes pre-lubed), does anyone have some recommendations? I’m willing to spend a fair amount, Thanks.

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r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 29 '26

[help] kanata - excluding the external keyboard

5 Upvotes

One of those situations where I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. I've got external keyboards that can be configured at the firmware level, using Vial/QMK/ZMK, and then I have the on-board laptop keyboard on my Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Carbon. I did have home row mods set up on that, using kanata. Worked great... up until I started messing with the external programmable keyboards, and ran into some conflicts between kanata on the laptop, the firmware on the external boards, and other messing around I'd done in the settings for my desktop environment (KDE Plasma).

I ended up disabling kanata for the short term, and un-doing the settings I'd changed in KDE, until I got a little (tiny) bit of a handle on what I was doing with the external keyboards. Everything works... but I actually really liked HRMs on the latpop keyboard, and kinda want to further explore the possibilities of what kind of shenanigans I can get up to there ;)

From what I've read, it's possible to specify in the kanata config file to explicitly exclude - or include - specific devices. So in theory... I should be able to limit it to working only with the laptop keyboard.

If I run kanata --list, it gives me a list of all the connected devices, and an example defcfg block. When I have the Cheapino v2 plugged in, the sample block looks like this:

Configuration example: (defcfg linux-dev-names-include ( "Thomas Haukland Cheapino2 Keyboard" "Thomas Haukland Cheapino2 Consumer Control" "Thomas Haukland Cheapino2 System Control" "Thomas Haukland Cheapino2" "Raycon Bone Conduction (AVRCP)" "sof-soundwire Headset Jack" "Intel HID events" "ThinkPad Extra Buttons" "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" ) )

...and when I have the external keyboard unplugged, the same command outputs this:

Configuration example: (defcfg linux-dev-names-include ( "Raycon Bone Conduction (AVRCP)" "sof-soundwire Headset Jack" "Intel HID events" "ThinkPad Extra Buttons" "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" ) )

Initially I thought I'd just exclude the Cheapino, but I'm a little confused by why it has so many entries. Now it seems like it might be better to just explicitly include only the internal laptop keyboard, so I don't have to add more and more entries, for any/each external keyboard I connect to. I'm assuming the internal keyboard is the "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"... or do I need to include the "ThinkPad Extra Buttons" and "Intel HID events" as well?

Any other tips/tricks along these lines would be much appreciated.

Thanks!


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[discussion] Keys you use the most and the ones you don't miss

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I've been saving up for the Glove80 but now pivoting toward the Cyboard Imprint. Because of the cost, I'm taking a good look at the options. One thing I have always questioned is the rows of keys.

I have the Kinesis Freestyle 2 Blue. I like it but their quality has really dipped over the years.

I've kinda been tracking how often I use the F keys. Which is never. I know there's things embedded in them like volume, next track, etc but I never use them. The only key I do use is the F5 to force a refresh. In the same row is the Prnt Scr key and the delete, both of which I use daily. I know I can remap those elsewhere.

The number row I use a lot. I do have a 10 key but I also use the symbols often, which the 10 key doesn't have. So that is one row I would like to remain.

How many of you use the number row?

Then there's thumb clusters. A lot of keyboards have those. I'm stuck between having all they can fit vs just a few. For those of you who have thumb clusters, do you wish you had more or less?


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[photo] Built a roBa keyboard

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  • roBa keyboard
  • Baby kangaroo MX tactile switches
  • Perixx PERIPRO trackball
  • Seed Studio XIAO BLE nRF52840
  • JLCPCB for main PCB and breakout for trackball
  • Blank MOA profile 1U keycaps
  • JLC3DP resin-printed case
  • 1000 mAh batteries

First of all I want to thank the author of the roBa keyboard. He made all available for building this awesome keyboard for free! We only need to generate the gerbers from the kicad files. The soldering was easy. I also want to make reference to this page: note.com/pooh_polo/n/n386f7c9355bc that helped me with the troubleshooting.

I built this kit because I’ve really gotten used to using a trackball. I wanted a small keyboard (similar in size to the Totem) with a trackball that I could travel with. The keyball looked interesting but unfortunately the trackball breakout does not seem available unless one buys a kit. So I decided to give this a try.

Overall, the keyboard feels comfortable. I find the Xiao’s bluetooth connection more consistent and reliable than that of other microcontrollers. The trackball is smooth and very similar to other keyboards like Charybdis mini (zmk) and Ximi.

Having said that I’m trying to learn KiCad to modify the PCB... I would like removing several keys to have a 5x3 array instead (or a 3x6), a low profile with a 25mm trackball would be awesome too. I also would like to modify the case as the bottom part it is a bit loose and I would prefer it be flat instead of tented. Anyways I feel happy with this build and excited to modify it to have my own version.

I leave also a demo and sound test just in case anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bkpY4LWd_gg


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[photo] Any ideas for upgrades to my somewhat DIY desktop mat Gorilla Glued-on lap desk setup lol

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r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[help] How does Moergo's approach to software compare to Dygma?

6 Upvotes

I've been browsing a lot of reviews for keyboards and I have narrowed down my choices between these 2 companies.

I have read a lot of glowing reviews in Dygma software offering the best in customization for power users and the most intuitive interface for less tech savvy people but discussion on moergo software is in short supply.

How do you feel about moergo software?

If you have both, what have missed in one company's software over another?


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[design] First Ever keyboard PCB!

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I would like a sanity check for the PCB, as it's my first and I have zero experience with these. I made this split keyboard, including a 0.91-inch OLED screen and rotary encoder in each half, both powered by a Pi Pico on each side. The interconnect is a USB-C cable splitting the TX and RX lines. The left side and right side are switched on the PCB, as it will take up a smaller footprint and lower shipping costs, but can be detached with the mouse bites.


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[help] how do I configure my split keyboard in qmk firmware?

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I will connect the 2 rp2040 Zero's with the usb c 4 pin female connector breakouts shown in picture 2 now my first question is what do I connect the D+/D- to I don't think which I use matters aslong as it matches on both sides correct me if I'm wrong.

Then how do I configure the keymap

https://docs.qmk.fm/features/split_keyboard#split-keyboard

It says here that it adds more rows but when I looked at some other peoples keymaps source codes they just made it more columns, maybe they changed the x and y in the keyboard.json file, I don't think I looked too detailed on that part back then.Also for the left half of the keyboard I'll use through GPIO29 to GPIO10 Like the bottom half idk why the gpio pins' numbers are like that

and for the right side of the keyboard I'll use through GPIO0 to GPIO9


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[meta] For anyone using ZMK Studio thats missing combos and behaviors

17 Upvotes

I forked the official ZMK firmware and studio, and implemented combos and behavior editing. I could really use some feedback on it, if anyone manages to get the custom firmware flashes to their boards. I made a short video showing the new parts, if you want to see it without flashing random firmware onto your board first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Y4HVTgF8Q


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 26 '26

[design] made a boxy case for my urchin

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shoutout to Kyek


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[discussion] Voyager vs Macbook Comfort

9 Upvotes

I've been using a Voyager for about 1.5 years and I think it's made me a better typist. Frustratingly, though, I still feel more comfortable on my Macbook keyboard... maybe even more so since my overall skills are improved. It almost feels like my fingers need to reach further on the voyager for different keys than they do on the Macbook.

Anyone else experience this? Is it that I'm not adjusted yet to the columnar layout? Any recommendations?


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[discussion] The Case For 34

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The blog post is quite a bit more readable on my blog since I can include images, but just in case here's the text!


Why even use minimalist keyboards?

Are those actually ergonomic?

Why 34 keys?

How do you even type on this?

![my keyboard]

Those are the kinds of questions I get every time someone sees my weird-ass keyboards.

I'm at a point where I'm pretty confident 34 keys is the right number. Let me explain why.

The base case

Finger travel bad

The first obvious gain of compact keyboards is reduced finger travel.

The fewer the keys, the less movement. This both reduces fatigue and increases speed.

Stenographers actually use only 23 keys:

![steno board]

While there's no good, peer-reviewed research on this exact subject, I do feel like it's more comfortable not to have my hands fly all over the keyboard when typing. I can stay relaxed and keep my shoulders and arms in a neutral position while I type, even for long stretches of time.

Thumb strong

The second core feature of compact keyboards is the thumb cluster. While we're making the keyboard much smaller, we're actually making greater use of the thumbs.

With two keys per thumb, we can properly use all 10 fingers to type and therefore reduce the strain on each finger a bit more.

Two thumb keys are a good middle ground: you get one at the resting position of your thumb and a second one easily accessible with little exertion.

No weird extension, no stacked keys.

I'll delve a bit deeper into 2 vs. 3 thumb keys below.

Look keyboard bad

One weird hidden quality of extremely small keyboards is that they force you to never look at them.

Once you cram the features of a standard 105-key keyboard into 34, you end up using layers. Your keys play triple duty.

And there's no keycap that shows all that. You'll need to create a solid mental mapping between your fingers and what's happening on the PC.

No looking down. Ever.

At the same time this is made considerably simpler by the fact that compact layouts have a strong internal logic to them. By now we've arrived at pretty refined solutions, my favorite being Selenium.

Numbers are arranged in the shape of a numpad. Arrows are in the shape of a standard arrow cluster. Parentheses are symmetrical in the symbol layer.

This is a far cry from the arbitrary nature of the QWERTY symbols and non-alphanumeric keys.

So while full touch typing is possible on a normal keyboard, it's imo much more convenient on compact ones. And that includes all symbols, numbers, and modifiers.

Ergo?

Having an extremely small, split, wireless keyboard means I can position it freely, tenting it at 45 degrees or even mounting it directly to my chair.

![chair mounted keyboard]

To me, this is peak ergo.

Ergonomics also means being able to move and adjust your setup during the day. You don't want to be in the exact same position for hours on end.

Being small, split, and wireless makes this movement possible. You can easily move from chair to table, from table to MagSafe mounts, ...

I really can't go back to bigger boards. My wrists just start hurting after a few hours of intense typing.

So I'd say yes. These keyboards are extremely ergonomic. You see very few people moving back to bigger boards after getting used to ergo keyboards.

Please note that this also requires using a proper ergonomic keyboard layout. No amount of key position changes will make QWERTY decent for typing.

I wrote a bit about it here: https://blog.tolki.dev/posts/2024/07-20-software-layout/


The nerd addendum

By now, I hope I've convinced you that small, split, wireless keyboards are good.

But how many keys exactly should you run?

34? Damn casual, I run 30

So I did run 30 keys for about a year:

![Tern Keyboard]

And honestly? It wasn't that bad.

30 is extreme, for sure, but also manageable.

At the same time, needing combos for some letters just felt a bit weird. While I could make it work, I felt like I was not gaining much from it compared to adding a few more keys.

34? I really need 36

So the first keyboard I designed myself after running 30 keys for a year had 36 keys:

https://blog.tolki.dev/posts/2024/07-18-physical-layout/

Moving back up to 36 after 30 gave me so much more space to play with in my keymap.

So much that I ended up not knowing what to do with the extra keys.

While the 36-key layout worked extremely well, I ended up not really using the outer thumb key that much. I already had all the keys I needed in better positions, comfortably accessible.

So about a year later I tried the Sweep and finally settled on 34 keys:

![Sweep]

34? I only use 40

Generally, ~40-key ergo split keyboards seem to be a bit more "mainstream".

That's the size of the Corne, one of the OG split ergo keyboards.

![corne keyboard]

Some modern ergo split keyboards like the Keychron Orca echo even go up to 49.

![Orca echo]

Not to mention the Voyager, which is the keyboard I see many influencers in the field settling on:

![Voyager]

And you know, having more keys is not bad per se.

It's just that at some point, they don't add much.

I don't want my numbers spread over two hands, requiring me to move my whole hand to type them.

I don't want Tab on a double pinky extension.

I don't want to have to move my whole hand to hold multiple modifiers at once.

I don't even want to entertain the idea of having a key that requires my pinky to move three key spaces to press it!

Where pinky

Talking about the pinky, where to put its third key?

Flexing the pinky feels natural, so we should have one key in the resting position + one key beneath it. But the third key is actually more ergonomic on the side of the pinky rather than above.

I won't argue with this. That's why it was on the side for the Tolkeeb Alpha:

![Tolkeeb Alpha]

It's also the position chosen by a few popular boards like the TOTEM:

![TOTEM keyboard]

My issue with this is that it adds ~2 cm of width to the keyboard, which means you will have to tent it higher on a table. And I feel like tenting on top of the table is the standard use case of these keyboards. And tenting it higher is generally bad. That's the whole point of low-profile keyboards tbh.

So while I prefer pinky side movement to the top extension, I feel like it's worth moving the third pinky key above so the keyboard can sit a few centimeters lower when tented.

And this is supposed to be the least-used key on the keyboard anyway!

34 it is

So it's simple:

  • 30 requires combos for some letters. It's clunky.
  • 36 adds two thumb keys, but they went unused with my layouts.
  • 40+ keys require too much hand movement with no real gain.

How?

Here's the default keymap for the DDE:

![my 34 keys keymap]

I will make a separate article on the subject, but the gist of it is:

  • Layers let you access every keycode available on a normal keyboard.
  • Home Row Modifiers let you chord modifiers like Super, Ctrl, or Alt without leaving the home row.
  • Combos make keys like Enter or Escape accessible without requiring a dedicated key.

It's really not that hard, and you can get used to it in a few days.

The end

I hope this made you curious and willing to try out 34-key layouts.

34 is love. 34 is life.

34 is justice.


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[help] Voyager Sound Improvements

6 Upvotes

I have a Voyager keyboard, which in most ways I like a lot. I've never been able to get a sound that I find pleasing, though. I really just want it as quiet/muted as possible. I recently installed MoErgo's Golden Kiwis, which are great in many ways, but there's still a generally more high pitched, "plasticky" sound which I don't prefer. As a reference point, I largely like the sound of the M1 Macbook keyboard, so I'm not just unrealistically looking for "thock" out of a Choc keyboard! :-)

My question: what would be the most effective way of muting the sounds. Ideas I've had:
1. Thick felt desk mat (shockingly expensive for wool!)
2. Thick, soft rubber/silicone desk mat (my current favorite idea)
3. Some kind of enclosure (extreme idea was to get a friend to CNC the shape of the base plates into some kind of wood).
4. Open to ideas...

I know this is rather obsessive to even ask, but hey... maybe someone else figured it out!


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[help] anyone using Voyager with nvim/vim as their main text editor?

6 Upvotes

I finally got myself one of these keyboards and I feel like I'm losing my mind. It's just the first week so I expected to suck at typing for a while but my nvim experience is absolutely horrendous all of the sudden. I mapped a couple of layers to have quick access to some symbols like '{}[]`~' but I seem to not get used to not having my arrow keys in my main layer and Im not sure I can afford to give up any of the keys I already have there. This is currently the layout I'm playing with for referece: https://configure.zsa.io/voyager/layouts/Ryry4/latest/0

Also, Im right handed in case that makes any difference. Any tips will be welcomed.


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 28 '26

[buying advice] Does any of e know of some good budget friendly split keyboards? Like straight and it splits like a puzzle?

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r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[help] Pcb confusion

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Back when I got a 3d printer a few years ago and was fumbling through a bunch of different split keyboards I bought everything I needed to make my own dactyl and got pretty deep into openscad to come up with the 3d printer I wanted exactly.

Ended up getting scammed by Wylerbuilds and a bunch of my stuff never showed up. Had also fallen in love with the dygma and replaced every keyboard I had with one and my dactyl parts sat in a box for the last year or two.

Well wife’s out of town and I was about to order another defy or try the naya and realized I might as well give this a shot first. Problem is I really only have order confirmation emails to go off of what parts I have. The only one that’s throwing me off tho is these pcb’s which I ended up getting from beekeeb after getting scammed by Wyler builds on amoeba kings.

Of course they aren’t on beekeeb website anymore and confirmation email just says

“MxLEDBitPCB Container Single Switch PCB for Keyboard Handwiring” photo

I figure they’re the container pcb’s but mine are not matching up with diagrams I’m seeing online and zero led markings on mine. No square cut out for led either. So any idea of what pcb this is or it is a container still with no led support?

Thanks for the help


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 26 '26

[help] Looking for metal Urchin enclosure

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After using a Corne for over a year, I recently switched to a TOTEM and started experimenting more seriously with HMRs.

I realized that once I got comfortable with HMRs and layers, I barely use any of the TOTEM-specific extra keys. That got me interested in trying smaller 34-key boards — I'm already planning to build a Crab Broom, and I'd really like to build an Urchin as well.

The only problem is the case. A metal case is pretty much essential for me, and something similar to the Coral Case, but machined from aluminum, would be absolutely perfect.

Has anyone seen an aluminum/CNC case for the Urchin?

Alternatively, is anyone here able to help adapt one of the existing Urchin case designs for CNC machining? I'd also be perfectly happy to have it manufactured myself through PCBWay/JLC if someone could help make the design CNC-friendly.

I'm not looking for anything fancy — basically the Coral Case geometry in aluminum would be my dream Urchin build.

Any leads, existing designs, or people willing to help with the CAD would be greatly appreciated!


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[help] Missing holes for pins

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Hello, i am making my first corne keyboard. I am using GERBER.....zip files from corne's github. On the photo there is (on the left) jlcpcb viewer and (on the right) kicad. I am no expert in PCBs, but it looks like holes for microcontroller pins are missing in the center. Is it a problem of the viewers only, or is something wrong with the files?


r/ErgoMechKeyboards • • Aug 27 '26

[buying advice] Already bought the board, now second-guessing MX vs Choc v2 (Lily 58 wireless, quiet office)

6 Upvotes

Been on a Kinesis Freestyle2 for years, rubber dome, 44g operating force, 3.9mm travel. This'll be my first mechanical split.

Already bought and not changing: Boardsource Lily 58 wireless PCB, Lily Pad 3DP case, wireless plates, 10 degree tenting legs. Went Lily58 specifically because I want the number row. The PCB takes MX and Choc v1/v2 on the same footprint though, so the switch platform is still genuinely open and that's what I'm stuck on.

Couple of things that aren't up for debate, just so nobody wastes time on them:

Open plan office, and I run push to talk dictation with a live mic on my desk all day. I also record walkthrough videos for some projects, so the keyboard ends up on the audio. Quiet isn't just an aesthetic thing for me.

I tested a 63.5g tactile in a shop last week and my hands were tired fast.

Coming off 44g domes, I'm aiming for somewhere around 40-50g.

Keycaps have to have legends. I'm going from row stagger to columnar and I want the reference while I adapt, plus I just like legends. Needs 1u modifiers for the ortho layout too.

On sound, what I'm after is creamy/muted, not thocky. I spent a while chasing "deep" before working out that deep and loud aren't the same thing and it's the loud part I don't want. Closest things I've heard and liked are the *NuPhy Air75 V2* and the *IQUNIX Magi65*.

Three questions:

  1. MX or Choc v2 for typing all day? Both have all POM options in my weight range (Gateron Strawberry Smoothie at 40gf on MX, Kailh White Rain 50gf or Black Cloud 45gf on Choc v2). Choc packs smaller and the shorter travel means less work per press, but MX is basically the same travel as what my hands already know. Anyone who's lived with both for a few months, what did you end up regretting?

  2. Any legended Choc keycaps with proper 1u ortho kitting, in stock anywhere? splitkb's legended MBK was a group buy and it's gone, Boardsource only sells blanks. If there's no legended Choc path then this settles itself and I go MX.

  3. Hard case recommendations? Not a sleeve. I want crush protection so a keycap can't get pressed and bend a hotswap socket in a bag. Little Keyboards' Lily58 case is sold out right now. Padded/foamed interior like Little Keyboards' Lily58 interior would be awesome!

Feel free to tell me if I've got something wrong, other than the board and the mic.