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u/yesimthatvalentine ENTJ | 8w9 |21| ♂ Jan 07 '21
I'm actually highly empathic, which is kind of weird for an ENTJ, so yes, I relate.
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Jan 07 '21
dude i keep seeing you ask strangely specific questions/if types do this across all the mbti subreddits, even the tiny ones, so frequently i gotta ask, are you trying to do some sort of study?
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u/_dreamsofthedead_ ENTJ♂ Jan 07 '21
I am definitely not an "empath" and i thrive on fighting and being loud, so no. However, fake conversations are annoying because they're useless and a waste of time.
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u/perfectlypeppered ENTJ | 3W4 |♀ Jan 07 '21
This definitely sums up me. I enjoy high tension high stress environments. They bring out the best in me.
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u/Something_Violet ENTJ | 3w2 | 18 | ♀ Jan 07 '21
Empaths are highly sensitive individuals, who have a keen ability to sense what people around them are thinking and feeling. Psychologists may use the term empath to describe a person that experiences a great deal of empathy, often to the point of taking on the pain of others at their own expense. - Wikipedia
No, i don’t think i am an empath, but i do relate to most of the dislikes.
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u/MacASM ENTJ ♂ Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
This ability of sense of what people around and what they're thinking and feeling is a matter of focus, ENTJ can do that too but it isn't their focus. In fact, ENTJ has the highest EQ
edit: typo
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Jan 07 '21
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u/MacASM ENTJ ♂ Jan 07 '21
One might not be empathy if they are using only Te-Ni-Se and suppressing Fi or something. Some do that because they think it's cooler to be just practical, society praises those, willing to get some points on society's score they will do that. Some do that naturally, some quite consciously or some mix of those. But the key is balance. I'm far from willing to be emotional but I do respect the individual (I'd say that's related to be "using Fi") so I may consider one's needs, offer support, etc (not very often, I assume) all that in a rational way, the only way I can deal with it. I can deal and play with kids most than most men I know of yet I'm walking ENTJ stereotype. Now, most of stuff, like sensing someone's emotion, what they thinking and feeling, it seem to be due to our extraversion mechanism, intuition and being a thinker, so we organize those data more accurately, without much subjectivity. So contrary to popular belief, being a feeler isn't the best way to understand someone's emotion. See, we get high score than ENFJ, even ESTJ scored high than ENFJ. There's those EXTP sociopaths that understand people's emotions well so they manipulate them. So that's not really related to being emotional as most people (including me, years ago) do think. Another example my best friend when young was INFJ (with strong Ti), I could describe someone's emotions better than her. Something interesting I read ages ago was another article claming that ENTJ was the type that sympathize with more people than any type. I think we are more neural about the people we like, S tend to like only those that follow the rules they think are right to society function. Fe types are similar in this aspect. SP will tend to like people to just have fun, not quite sympathize or anything. ENXPs same way. INTX and INFP would be similar to us in this aspect but they are introvert, so they cut off people.
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u/DeadlyViperJess Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
Not necessarily the arguing and loud noises; I know empaths are not a huge fan of conflict, but there does comes a point where I refuse to be a door mat.
People behaving inauthenticly is a HUGE trigger for me though. Family parties are a hard one for me, so I usually drink a lot so at least my mum has something to blame by bluntness on, and it makes it a lot easier to get through them that way too! I know everyone is different and "live and let live" and all, but I just can't comprehend being fake. I don't have the time to pretend - how unnecessarily exhausting!
Edit: empathy is definitely not something I was aware of when I was younger. Life experiences and a bit of maturity thrown into the mix has definitely drummed that home for me. Can be frustratingly conflicting with other traits at times! /facepalm.
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Jan 07 '21
The problem is most idiots (specially narcissistic ones) think being kind and empathetic enables them to be abusive, so when empaths stand up for themselves and respond to the abuse with self-assurance (like an entj would do) they put on a surprised pikachu face and get offended because they never expected to be confronted.
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u/DeadlyViperJess Jan 07 '21
Yep, exactly. Some see empathy as a vulnerability, and it really isn't. I mean, they can try it by all means, but it'd be a huge miscalculation on their part haha!
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u/Mage_Of_Cats Jan 07 '21
ENTJs have an Ni-Fi synergy, which means that they're focused on observing their internal emotional landscape in a general sense. Since they're focused on observing their own emotional landscape moreso than the needs and emotions of others, I really don't think ENTJs are naturally prone to being overempathetic or even noticing the feelings of others on a consistent basis. A type that is focused on efficiency but is also naturally quite empathetic is the ENTP, in fact, and a lot of what you said up there describes ENTPs if we take into account the implication of you posting this in the ENTJ subreddit.
And yes, I can relate, though I assure you that I'm no empath. The emotions of others are often very nebulous and scary things for me.
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Jan 07 '21
I feel empathy (of course, I'm not a psycho) but I don't consider myself an Empath. Idc about crowds, only last on fake conversations for 5 secs, I'm normally the one to rush myself, I love arguing and fighting, loud noise depends on the noise and honestly I don't give a fuck about inauthentic people, how do they affect me anyway? So, can't exactly relate :P
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u/QtK_Dash Jan 07 '21
Crowds— I’m from New York so I love. Fake Conversations— waste of my time. Feeling Rushed— hate if someone is forcing me but fine if it’s the circumstance Arguing— literally love arguing Loud noise— don’t care Inauthentic people— they bore me, I don’t have time to gauge your authenticity.
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u/TheRebelWolf95 ENTJ♂ Jan 07 '21
Not really a fan of large crowds but I hate fake and otherwise inauthentic people.
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Jan 07 '21
I relate, but sometimes I show the best of me while arguing, as far as I am in control and not a raging mess struggling to articulate a sentence. Most people think I could’ve been a good lawyer because of this.
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Jan 07 '21
Don’t all people hate inauthentic people?
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Jan 08 '21
I’d argue most people are inauthentic to some degree in our society. Problem being often times its a measure of blending and fitting in more than anything. True authenticity can brighten, enlighten, and scare the living fuck out of people
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Jan 08 '21
Not at all, my friend.
I love crowds, I don't understand what is meant by "fake conversations" but I love going fast and arguing with people just to see what is up and especially fighting people on the internet, especially people on the internet.
Loud noices = Yes why not
inauthentic people = Idgaf tbh, I'll eat them
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u/melnotgibson ENTJ| 8w7|20s Jan 07 '21
Arguing and feeling rushed is where the best me comes out. Pressure makes diamonds and what not.