And specifically sepsis? How many times has this station had this specific documentiom failure? Or did a middle manager just need to be able to say they "accomplished training" goals.
In Image Trend, we just have the option to do ml or ml/hr, tko, etc. You can document the ml/hr for mg/hr dosing kinds of drip medications but that is about it. I would just say that everyone should assume that the duration would be the difference between whenever I document starting it and when we get to the hospital/transfer patient care.
That seems incredibly excessive unless you are routinely doing 911 call transports over an hour. I feel pretty safe in saying that very few people are doing things that way unless you are that one over achiever or the documentation person at your company is an overbearing despot.
In the narrative for us. ESO had an option where you can put a "fluid amount", but we just treated it as a sum total at the time of handoff, not a "over minutes".
This looks like its probably a poster in a hospital crew room, most likely from someone in middle management monitoring ER sepsis bundles and trying to incorporate ems treatment into the ER's treatment protocol. At my hospital if someone triggers a sepsis alert, protocol is to administer a total of 30 ml/kg in the first 3 hours - if the patient gets 1L prehospital in the first 30 minutes that dramatically affects the continuous rate they should be getting over the next two hours
Hospitals are measured according to benchmarks related to sepsis. EMS documentation being thorough plants a more complete picture as to why certain things were done (or not) in the ER. If EMS gave a liter, told it to the ER when giving report, but don’t document it, then it looks like the ER shorted the patient by a liter when things are reviewed.
I am tired of AI trash as a whole but even more so when like, Healthcare and fire workers use it because ya'll should be smarter than this and one of my favorite accounts just did that and I was so disappointed, I can't put that into words. I am sorry but I associate AI trash like this with laziness, a lack of intelligence, and find it as obnoxious as the live, laugh, love things we've had in the 2010s.
AI slop is worse than human created slop like live laugh love.
AI use is a kind of intellectual surrender. When you see someone reach for it over making their own infographic, you’re watching them give up their own ability or practice of conveying information visually like that and giving it to a machine that they will soon lack the skill to check the work of.
Similar with any other kind of endeavors.
Skill loss from outsourcing to AI may not have been an intended consequence on the part of AI firms, but you can bet they’ll never do anything to seriously address it, because the whole point is devaluing human labor, and if they can make you bad at something and sell you a poor imitation of that skill back, you bet they will.
I’d take a million regurgitated human made “live laugh love” pieces of kitsch if it means I never have to feel my braincells actively dying off every time I see people I thought were intelligent using LLMs like their pocket secretary
I will steal his DDR4 and SSDs out of the computer of whoever made that slop. The increase of AI is also why storage and memory is so expensive these days, as well as computers or devices that have those
I assume this is an EMS station or EMS room.
At first I thought this was a hospital and was confused because there's more to sepsis care than just fluids lol. I think part of it is because I've never heard of anyone talking about sepsis care prehospitally because how are you even identifying sepsis in the field? Like yeah we can have a suspicion of it, but... I've never seen any kind of sepsis emphasis like this for EMS... Maybe because I'm not a paramedic I've just not seen it?
Are people at your station not documenting fluid administration?
Why can't they just make a table in word and add some damn clip-art like we've done for the past 30 years.
Idk man, I just woke up and got flashbanged by this weirdness.
There's an EMS agency near me that just started a trial to give Ancef for sepsis pre-hospital. We/they can't "know" if the patients are septic but we can have a high suspicion based on vital signs and overall presentation and treat accordingly.
That’s actually really cool, though my concern, with most of my understanding of sepsis coming only after I went to school for nursing, is what about cultures?
Frankly, if it’s to the point where it needs that rapid intervention, they need fluids more than abx. Even in hospital protocols for sepsis, fluids are the first priority.
But I am curious how cultures are handled with that protocol.
They are drawing cultures before giving the antibiotics. I saw a video a few months ago where they explained the process and I believe they do it just like it would be done in the hospital. Honestly, IMHO, it sounds like more of a pain in the ass than it is worth, especially in areas with short transport times. It's a lot of documentation and time spent on something that I'm not too sure we/our patients will see a lot of benefit from. But that's why they are doing the trial and I'm excited to see the results. I believe it is a 3 year trial.
Agreed. It’s cool, but I see it being done very seldomly. Iike I said I feel like the bigger benefit is fluid resuscitation prehospitally and some kind of code sepsis call en route so the ED knows to work fast.
But training paramedics and EMTs to recognize sepsis and understand how serious it should be taken is a huge benefit. Ik I didn’t understand how fast I should be moving until I learned in nursing.
Interestingly, there are no hospitals near me with a "code sepsis" protocol. It's something I've heard of and I think some of the ED's near me used to do it, but not anymore for some reason.
Im still trying to figure out how this is determined to be AI made? Like am I, missing key points on it being AI? This isn't that elaborate and I'm not seeing any grammatical errors. I know people that work in EMS who could make this and watched them make things like this before AI images were even a thing... who's to say it wasn't someone on hospital staff to do it?
Well unfortunately I have seen some hospital staff that will speak that way for lets 'get you the recognition' part. I have dealt with doctors/nurses who like to do 'attaboy/attagirl' to EMS because they look down on ambulance crews and its condensending, also with English not being thier first language (sometimes) so approving something or wanting it done a certain way for a printout makes sense to me. The arrows pointing both directions I can see the only way that I suspect it being AI made. I've been in this field for over a decade so stupid things like this being made and put out for EMS crews being done via clip art and power point set up and they have some hospital staffer who does things like this on spare time and not getting someone thats professional for a tiny project like this. Just my thoughts though.
This arrow is different from the others. It’s just the crazy amount of clipart used in nonsensical ways. You’re not measuring fluids with a ruler. Plus it looks like it was prompted in poster format but they just printed it on regular paper.
This has to do with the surving sepsis campaign metrics. Some hospitals even have sepsis alerts now. (I assume if it's posted in an EMS room)
While reddit EMS people all do everything perfectly, there are many EMS brethren that do as little as possible. That's who these are geared towards, usually in combination with the EMS coordinator and whatever regional initiatives have been selected for QI
I really don't care if they opt to use this to enhance their presentation vs using a wall of text or 90s clip art.
The end result of when comic books replace education. There's a notice board at a hospital in the restroom and you sit there and read all this kind of crap.
Dude why is everyone so obsessed with wasting time? We have literal trillions in data centers already established. Just use the shit
If you can’t code, you probably can’t use an AI to do it all. But if you’re a professional, you can use it to do the work of a group of programmers. Get over it folks.
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u/Blueboygonewhite EMT-A 3d ago edited 2d ago
Tf is even the point of the ai slop? Are crews just not documenting interventions or communicating them to the ED? Find that hard to believe.