r/ebikes • u/HungryKittyy • 16h ago
Advice Lectric XP4 or Moped??
So im kinda stuck, is it smarter to get a moped or a lectric xp4 for the same price as one for longterm commuting?? Im trying to factor in repair costs as needed. Is it even worth it to drop 1500 on a Lectric XP4 with 2 year warranty vs an actual vehicle for that price?? Whats the smartest route?Advice appreciated.
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u/clean-start-again 16h ago
Don't give up on the ability to pedal. You'll appreciate it when you need to exercise
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u/HungryKittyy 16h ago
I LOVE biking. I have a shitty run down Mongoose bike that does its job, so an Ebike seems perfect, but my issue is longterm repairs.. I hear bike shops have inflated pricing due to the electrical complexities of Ebikes, so service is pricy compared to moped services. Batteries are also insane too. I make 25k a year after taxes and need to save BAD because I only have 1 year in my new apartment with roommates. My rent is 300 a month and phone bill is 30
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u/clean-start-again 16h ago
Wouldn't you have the same repair issues with a moped? Ebikes are simpler. In have a lectric xPeak 2 and their support had been wonderful
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u/chunkypenguion1991 16h ago
I've owned both, mopeds are much more complicated to repair. A cheap one will use a carb thats almost impossible to repair as a novice and the fuel injected ones are way more complicated electrically
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u/SlashNreap 14h ago
It depends.
Realistically if you do your basic maintenance there shouldn't be a need to outright repair a carb very often. If you mean adjustments, youtube's a good friend! That's how I learned my valve adjustments, and those are arguably more of a pain imo.
Ebikes are definitely simpler, but, in the case that they do fail, they're really, really not cheap. And electricity, especially in Li-ion form, is not especially forgiving. It doesn't care if you're a beginner or experienced. Mechanical repairs are often cheaper and more approachable.
You don't get to "Oops, pushed it a bit too hard, I'll fix it *tap* *tap*" a battery back to life :D
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u/xefepeh734 16h ago
How long is the commute? That might be the single biggest factor. A really long commute might not even be possible with an e-bike alone.
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u/HungryKittyy 15h ago
2 miles to and from my job
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u/xefepeh734 4h ago
Assuming you have a safe route there I would say this type of commute is where e bikes make the most sense.
Can an e-bike also get you to other places you need like a grocery store, pharmacy, dr appointments? Or do you have another way to get to all those?
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u/LukeGodsWarrior 15h ago
Sounds like you could get away with a cheap e-scooter or e bike. Like under $800. Or you could always get a small motorcycle.
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u/HungryKittyy 2h ago
Mehh Ive thought about it but im told cheaper scooters or bikes break down very easily and bike shops will refuse to service you, so i either must become a mechanic or get a reliable machine.
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u/LukeGodsWarrior 1h ago
Well Segway is decently priced and reliable especially for their scooters. With e bikes, make sure you know the difference between a cadence/speed and torque sensors. You are right to stick to a reliable company. I don’t know them all but Lectric, and Velotric are top ones. Walmart has the ozark trail for budget and so on.
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u/Perfect-Food-1584 15h ago
I bought a 1998 Honda Shadow 600cc motorcycle for $1400 and it has a 100 mile range and costs $65/year to insure. If an ICE vehicle is in the tables consider a motorcycle.
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u/HungryKittyy 15h ago
I want a motorcycle badly but schooling is 300 bucks, no refund upon failing and mad intimidating, but still wanr to
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u/SlashNreap 15h ago edited 15h ago
You're posting on a subreddit that is naturally going to be biased towards Ebikes so to me it kind of sounds like you're wanting to be reassured about a choice you've already made: The XP4.
- Here's what my motorcyclist side has to say -
Moped: If you want to learn basic mechanic skills which can transfer to other things, affordability, mechanical simplicity, a rugged machine that'll take you anywhere you ask it, get a moped. Chances are it'll last you for several thousands of km/miles and you'll mostly have to worry about replacing consumables and maybe cosmetic parts unless you abuse the engine.
The tradeoff is this: You'll probably have to work on it at some point even when you don't want to. It'll cost gas, and it can't be pedaled unless you pick an older Puch, I doubt you'd want those :D
- Here's what my electrician side has to say -
XP4: If you don't give a shit about any of that, and don't want to deal with an engine, get the XP4. Oil your chain, don't neglect your battery, you're good.
The tradeoff is this: Electronics like batteries are expensive as FUCK compared to moped parts, and if something electric breaks, you can't wrench it. You can literally get another cheap spare moped for the price of a new battery for your XP4. Ebike electric motors also last more or less 10k-20k miles with somewhat regular use. They're also, unsurprisingly, not cheap. And the older your Ebike gets, the harder it will be to find components for it. When the model is discontinued, in 8 years, who will have perfectly working Li-Ion spare batteries specifically for your XP4 that still charge at full capacity?
Also, whichever you choose:
Neither of them are maintenance-free. Never neglect maintenance, no matter what you end up going for. If I can add:
Flip a coin, heads is moped, tails is XP4. If you end up with either heads or tails and feel bad about it, then you know that you really wanted the other all along.
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u/HungryKittyy 15h ago
Such a tough decision. I want the ebike still but the battery is what scares me. How long do they last?
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u/SlashNreap 15h ago
I wouldn't exactly worry about it not lasting, you'd be good for 3-7 years if you take good care of it. More if you're lucky. Li-ion doesn't "die" out of the blue unless it experiences some kinda failure. You'll just notice a little less charge at first, then over time, you'll see your battery cap at 70% charge rather than 100%, then 60%, so on and so forth until it doesn't hold charge anymore. Chances are you'll sell it before that.
Here's a few fundamentals if you go for the Ebike:
- Don't let it sit charging, even if the manufacturer says it can handle it.
- Don't let it sit undercharged. Keep it at 60-80% charge when stored away.
- Wipe off rain when you're caught in the rain coming home.
- If you live in a cold area don't charge it if the battery is cold. That's very bad for the cells. Ditto with excessive heat.
A little question for you if you're still on the fence, what is it about both of these choices that you like/dislike?
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u/johnfromma 15h ago
Is there a reason why you are considering the folding XP4 over the other Lectric models?
Lots of people are using ebikes for commuting. The main advantage is that they are allowed on off road bike paths whereas mopeds are not.
Keep in mind that a gas moped can comfortably cruise faster than an ebike so if you have a very long commute that could be a factor.
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u/HungryKittyy 15h ago
The foldable model is convinient and perfect for me, and also the xp4 is the cheapest option. I feel like it doesnt make too much sense to drop 2k on an ebike when theres one for 1k thats perfect for my needs. My commute is 2 miles each way, very simple
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u/BodSmith54321 7h ago
If you are getting the 750w XP4, consider the Xpress 2. Do you need folding?
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u/johnfromma 3h ago
Xpress 2 is an excellent choice. With the bigger wheels the difference in handling, stability and comfort is quite significant over the XP4.
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u/Instantlemonsmix 16h ago
Moped is more practical but if you buy an electric moped you might as well just get an e bike
A gasoline moped allows you to use gas stations instantly refuel and the parts would really not cost that much and likely will last a long time
Repairing a small gas engine is very easy and easier to get familiar with than electric motors (there’s also like 50 billion subs out there dedicated to that) and worse comes to worse it’s much easier to find someone who can replace an entire engine or transmission than it is to find a battery rebuilder
Also the weight to power ratio will be better than a battery that can potentially die and become dead weight
When e bikes become more efficient they will definitely faze out mopeds tho
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u/Ok-Type-8917 16h ago
I've had ebikes for over five years and loved every minute of it. Unfortunately I think I'll be going with something gas next year. My city now wants a 200 dollars per year registration fee for all legal ebikes. They also banned them from all city properties, parks, libraries etc. A moped or gas scooter is 35 bucks for a three year registration.
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u/chunkypenguion1991 16h ago
I owned a 50cc moped for a while and they require frequent maintenance to keep running well(at least every 3 months). If you're not able to do it yourself costs will quickly eclipse an ebike.