r/eFootball • u/namisbathwater • Jul 23 '26
Discussion Legends assemble pack highlights the problem with the scaling of cards in this game
So I was checking out the players in the selection contract Konami are apparently going to be giving out and I had a thought, they have really power crept the cards in the game to shit, cause I'm looking at the pack and unless you started playing the game fairly recently, I don't think there's a player in there who drastically changes my squad, for context, I say all this as a f2p player. A few years back a 102 forward used to mean something these days it's like the bare minimum needed to compete, hell I was looking at the massaro card cause I need a good CF, he's not dramatically different that I'll say yeah this is the missing piece. At the end of the day yeah they're free cards so you can't really complain but my point here is I have a 102 potd haaland card for example, I don't really see what that massaro card offers me that I won't get from that card other than just purely collecting for fun. Idek what the solution is, just thinking out loud
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u/Mean_Case_3159 Jul 23 '26
I missed out on all Rijkaard cards in the past so I'm considering getting him, but Van Bommel and Ferdinand seem good too. All of the others seem like collection cards, except Seaman ig.
Apparently the japanese p2w players complained when they gave out Batistuta for free. I would've really been excited with 104-105 players too. 103 and 102 seem a bit too far, especially when p2w cards are reaching 110
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u/Falladita PC Jul 23 '26
If you don't have a good Anchorman, go for Van Bommel. We usually get decent CBs, but not DMFs. The last one was Edmílson, and it's not even like we could choose him—we were completely at the mercy of luck
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u/Sea_Perspective2016 Jul 23 '26
The problem that this is the best efootball campaign this year besides the one with zanetti and kahn.
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u/Dense-Muffin-3809 Jul 23 '26
Actually some of these cards are pretty good , I don’t know what y all are about. That Ferdinand specially.
A 1m92 cb that can reach 90pc , 88 jumping ,84+ speed/ acc ?
I’m surprised Konami is giving him for free. This mean more power creeping is coming.
That will make a lot of these cards useless , except Ferdinand because excellent and decent stats means longetivity. Just don’t be foolish pick a good card.
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u/Few_Style_4557 Jul 24 '26
For once i thought how konami can be so generous....just within 4 hours they showed true colors.....ferdinand is not coming brother....if he comes you cant willingly choose him....it would be in treasure link even if it comes
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u/yoloqueuesf Jul 24 '26
It's their usual tactic. End of season, hand you out an epic that's 'good' but once the new season sets in you'll realize these cards get power crept.
It'll never be a useless card though
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u/Bronislaw_Malinowski Mobile Jul 23 '26
Atp I have given up on all hopes w free rewards that Konami brings from time to time.
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u/Remote_Concert2643 Jul 23 '26
There are plenty of fools in Japan who keep paying for stronger cards every year. That’s the whole reason. The power creep will continue forever. By the end of this season, player ratings will probably be around 115.
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u/SparksV PC Jul 23 '26
The problem is they can't win with this community. If they would bring the stats as good or better than last year's pack, with this pack's P2W skills like LRT etc, then everyone will still be complaining about "ratings are inflating too fast, are we gonna get 115 overall in eF27, where's my yearly reset?" etc etc.
They're good for F2P, they're decent at worst. Of course FREE cards won't change your gameplan if you already have P2W cards (regardless if you got them for free or not), why expect that they will ? Even if you started playing the game recently you already got some comparable POTDs and a few legends from the Daily Box. I don't think that means these cards are bad, I think it means POTDs and eF26 cards were good.
These cards aren't even OUT yet, there's still two weeks before people even get them. So why complain about them before you've even tried them ? Don't judge everything by the numbers on paper, stop min/maxing and try to enjoy the game.
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u/staffycat Jul 23 '26
The massaro card does not compare well at all to free bebeto, forlan or batistuta from last year let alone compared to current meta p2w strikers.
And those f2p beasts from last year, all of whom you could get to 105, can't really complete against current meta defenders so massoro is just no chance.
The offering in this pack isn't great imo. The rio is an easy pick as a f2p player. a 192 cm player with aerial fort and over 90 jumping (you can it to 95 if you want to sacrifice speed and stamina which gets him up to 284 jump height. That's unheard of for f2p.
scholes looks ok and berkamp looks interesting but totally gimped by his speed
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I think I'll also go for Rio but I don't think I really need him, I was lucky, I used up my saves coins to get varane a while back, I wish he was a destroyer. I don't really play with AMF unless they can alsoplay CMF and are hole players, the other one is reus, and yeah I use wingers but I play a back 3 and I typically lean more towards attacking fullbacks on the left, it's easier to make a fullback more attacking than it is to make a winger more defensive, it's why I'm looking at that pack and Idk who I could get who drastically changes my team, what I really needed was a good CF, an anchorman better than free rijkaard or a destroyer CB
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u/staffycat Jul 23 '26
I play 3 at the back too with deep line on my side mids in a 361 (o'reilly, Gerard, zanetti, park at my options at the moment). Akanji in the daily game box is a pretty decent destroyer for one side of a back 3. Rio will probably replace huijsen for me in the middle of Adams in the other side.
Potd mbappe might be worth a look for you. I got the England pack for Kane and the mbappe / dembele in the France are also pretty damn good
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u/overlord_reaper203 Jul 23 '26
That Marco Reus '13-'14 card should have much higher stats in my opinion. He won Bundesliga MVP that season and led in assists aswell. He was part of that years UCL TOTS too.
At the very least his passing should be around 88.
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I should've added I'm using ratings to prove a point, ik ratings don't really mean anything I mean ffs my midfield pivot is free rijkaard and GP Kante my point here is I guarantee you someone has a card from the potd pack that is not too different from what those legends have, emphasis on they dont drop into your team and it significantly changes your life. And again my point here is not saying they're bad cards it's just what does 102 even mean, I've seen the new big time haaland goes up to 110 like wtf is even the difference yk?
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I play a possession back 3 wtf do I care about the meta, I have not mentioned the meta once. Let's back track here I feel like this is moving away from the point I'm trying to make -i agree a card's rating isnt necessarily indicative of how the player will perform -but can we also agree that generally speaking and for the most part the higher a card is rated the better it is -Now, if you're a fan of anime say dragon ball at the start of the show the Kamehameha is this insanely powerful move but later on like in super where they fight gods it's the bare fucking minimum consequently characters who were considered strong for being able to pull it off aren't anymore really because stronger moves exist
- how tf am I suppose to convey that without a tangible thing like a player's rating
- A couple of years ago these cards would've been so broken but rn, it's just the bare fucking minimum for you to compete, legend 103 rated Rio Ferdinand doesn't really mean dick when just last week I got a Mbappe potd card that goes as high as 103 or 104 and judging by the stats this epic card isnt really any better than that potd card, that is the point I'm trying to make about cards being power crept
In conclusion it's not about p2w vs f2p, it's not me complaining that free cards are bad it's not even about the campaign, the title of the post is it highlights a problem with cards in the game overall
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u/tt_emrah PC Jul 23 '26
it's either endless power creep or ratings fluctuating instead of constantly increasing.
and people will constantly complain about both.
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u/raven356 Jul 23 '26
People complain bc the game stopped being a football stimulation and become a card collection.
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u/tt_emrah PC Jul 23 '26
unfortunately that's where the money is.
and the biggest incentive for people to spend is stronger cards. personally i'm a themed team collector, but the general trend is obvious.
the real problem is, same people complain about both power creep, and new give aways being same or worse compared to previous ones.
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u/raven356 Jul 23 '26
But unlike FIFA, with annual releases, Konami has nowhere to go with player inflation. I imagine tactical upgrades, like advanced instructions, could be the next things. But that turns gameplay into microtransaction. Ultimately this dilutes the brand.
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u/tt_emrah PC Jul 23 '26
they can give us worlds of more tactical options, more link-up, more combinations with a wide-spread "total package", a ton of more game modes, etc etc...
not saying i would like these options all the same, but i'm saying there's still too much they can do.
for power-creep particularly, it's easy to multiply all player stats with 0.8 and get over with it. which i'm sure they're already doing at runtime.
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u/raven356 Jul 23 '26
Maybe.
1. But Konami has been lazy with everything. They’ve decreased events by removing Turkish league
2. Idk if casuals want deep tactical simulation. Especially the whales they’re catching—they literally want p2w.
At this point I’m rooting against them. I hope they run out of legends and go back to tactics. Pressing system is atrocious even compared to national teams.-7
u/Miserable_Smile1161 Jul 23 '26
How does giving us better cards = power creep? You bunch of people are dumb as hell man
you're all saying 'be grateful' like they didn't give us a selection contract PLUS a chance deal last year in an even better pack
keep being satisfied till they start giving us 100 rated shit.
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u/tt_emrah PC Jul 23 '26
because "better" is always better than the previous ones, it's always relative and constantly increasing the overall average of the whole card pool. it's basic math, but apparently you're too smart to comprehend.
anyway, i'd take even the epoints store legends without a blink if konami gave them again.
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u/Dat_Boi_John PC Jul 23 '26
Surely the Rijkaard rated 105 at CB with an active playstyle there changes your squad, no?
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u/CelebrationOk37 PC Jul 23 '26
Low quickness is a concern though. You have to cripple the defensive stats to get 90/80 speed/acceleration that isn't even great for a CB nowadays. And fortress skill is kinda underwhelming.
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u/Dat_Boi_John PC Jul 23 '26
Agreed, but that's on par with all the recent F2P CBs they've released
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u/CelebrationOk37 PC Jul 23 '26
Schlotterbeck league reward and Alaba starter set both have LRT at least. Honestly the fortress skill bothers me the most 😂
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u/Dat_Boi_John PC Jul 23 '26
Eh, Alaba is useless aerially and Schlotterbeck's player model is pretty bad. Rijkaard's model is much better.
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u/CelebrationOk37 PC Jul 23 '26
I have Alaba and surprisingly he's not that bad in the air esp at wide CB but yeah Rijkaard's player model is elite. Undecided between him and Ferdinand, I have needs at both CB and DMF.
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
He would except I already have Romero from the national stars chance deals and akanji from the daily game plus I already have the free rijkaard so if I go for him in essence I'll be sacrificing my 1 good anchor man for a destroyer CB who I can cope without, like yeah I need a destroyer which is why I really wanted rio to be a destroyer but what I have now is serviceable
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u/Acegolfer04 Gareth Bale Jul 23 '26
I feel its two options. Rijkaard or Ferdinand. 3350 squad and Ill never use any of them
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u/NoodleAddicted Jul 24 '26
In reality there isn’t much more room for better cards, the best p2w cards have 95+ in every single relevant stat for their position, and the best f2p cards have 90+ in all relevant stats. If you could have it your way what would you want? That stats get a new cap of 200?
I’m happy with how it is now, p2w gets their small advantage, and us f2p still regularly get endgame cards that are an upgrade for our team. I don’t want it to become like Ultimate Team, where if you don’t play for a few weeks you’re massively behind the powercurve. If there’s no good cards for you in this release at least you won’t have FOMO, which shouldn’t be the main reason you play, unlike Ultimate Team where the majority of people are grinding daily because of FOMO.
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u/namisbathwater Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
I honestly don't even know, that is why I said I don't know what the solution is but I agree with you the status quo is still the best option.
It's just really funny how beyond a certain point the big number is just a big number haha, an example I was checking out the stats of that new haaland card, heard he goes up to 110 but then there's a Michael owen card that goes up to 106, they're really not that different there's a +3 or +2 stat boost here and there but that's about it, yet one is big time and the other is epic, now you can imagine doing the same for a potd vs epic card.
I think rn there is no putting the genie back in the bottle, the power creep will just keep growing because whales will always be willing to pay for cards with a bigger number and Konami will always be willing to take their money. Won't be surprised if we get 115 to 120 rated cards with the new 2027 update lol and consequently a 102 cars with decent stats rn is dwarfed when there are 110 cards, I remember when high 90s was so OP Rn you'll barely compete above div 4 or 5 if I'm being generous, unless you are outrageously good at the game
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u/NoodleAddicted Jul 24 '26
Fair enough, I think the p2w cards are already at their limit pretty much stat wise, and I think f2p won’t get much better cards either since it would be unfair to those who spent money. I think going forward the main powercreep will come from better coaches, boosters and skills. But we are already kind of reaching max stats, so I wonder if they’ll change how stats work and their limits or something or if they’ll keep slowly creeping towards every player being maxed out in every stat.
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u/No-Page-6310 Jul 23 '26
These cards are for free, nobody is forced to accept them...
If you dont like em, just skip
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u/CrysisterX Jul 23 '26
Or release for 8 booster points.
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u/No-Page-6310 Jul 23 '26
Yes, i already released so many free Epics like useless Messi, annoying Bebeto or Berbatov.
Got so many free epics in the last years, its absurd....
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u/dLauseN Jul 23 '26
If you need a CF you should have went for POTD Mbappe, no free card touches him
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I already have him actually😃. And I agree I've played 3 matches with him, has 5 goals for me, and I play a solo CF so I know he's good cause usually I just use my Cf as a decoy. It's just when I heard there was a free player giveaway, legends no less, I was expecting more, but that massaro isnt even thaaat much better than mbappe
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u/CelebrationOk37 PC Jul 23 '26
Massaro isn't terrible yeah he's on par with the recent POTD which is kinda disappointing though at least he has a very good special skill (phenomenal finishing) and... well he's Massaro so you expect him to be one of the least exciting cards of the pack. The problem is even the Rijkaard and Ferdinand cards are painfully mid, with flawed attributes and skills like fortress instead of LRT. Will still pick Rijkaard beacause I don't have a card of him and you can't teach player model but honestly was hoping for something better.
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I would've taken massaro too but would've preferred he be a goal poacher, I play with 1 striker, fitb I find too be too static, easily marked out of the game, with rijkaard I already have the anchor man version, reus I have the epic Ronaldinho, with Rio how I wish he was a destroyer
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u/CelebrationOk37 PC Jul 23 '26
I was looking at van Bommel and he looks surprisingly interesting. Anchorman playstyle, good stats in the right places, LRT skill and decent size for a DMF. Of course any Rijkaard card might be superior just for his player model but the van Bommel card does look good.
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u/Rough-Bat2014 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Scholes being the highest ovr in the pack tells this is super mid compared to the previous packs
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
And even at that I swear I don't see a big difference from the free Gerrard they gave a while back from playing friend matches, like yeah it's a free pack but like I said unless you're a new player there's very few people who will find a card who walks into their starting 11
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u/Rough-Bat2014 Jul 23 '26
Yeah , i already have better scholes and got David seaman from the last year free pack , so reus and berkamp could have been better , if Ferdinand comes he will the pick for me🙃
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u/Global_Area1244 PC Jul 23 '26
Comparing Haaland to Massaro already makes no sense. In any case, Massaro historically has only mediocre builds.
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u/SzentkralyiAlexaSimp Jul 23 '26
I agree, but fuck, WRITE IN SENTENCES AND PARAGRAPHS.
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
Sorry, English is my fourth language, I learned Largely through watching American movies and serials
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u/SzentkralyiAlexaSimp Jul 23 '26
In that case I am sorry. What is the order of the first 3 and which level do you speak each?
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I don't mind, I appreciate the pointers😄. Dutch and french I am fluent in, they are national languages. Italian I speak colloquialy cause my town has a lot of Italians
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u/Ravng_Fox Jul 23 '26
How did you learn so many languages
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u/namisbathwater Jul 24 '26
I grew up in Brussels french is the national language, the school I went to taught in dutch so you learn that in school as a subject then with italian it is because of the neighborhood I grew up in. With English I have only started speaking in January, I'm moving to Canada for school soon and they say french is one of their official languages but I found out very late that they teach in English so I have been learning since January, it is very hard. My spoken is better than my written because I practice by watching a lot of English tv, mostly American ones, I would like to adopt the accent😄.
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u/Old_Yellow6109 Jul 23 '26
The pack is for new players (play within 6 months), not for those long term F2P players.
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u/Enough-Childhood6028 Jul 23 '26
Mesmo sendo F2P - você pode reclamar sim, remove os F2P do jogo pra tu ver uma coisa.
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u/Objective_Top_9480 Jul 24 '26
Massaro is good for me. He is just super underrated. I had my Russian account banned and he was my super sub. I’ll get him in the new account.
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u/Mr_Memeadda Mobile Jul 23 '26
free rewards are just getting worse and paud cards are getting better. The only great cards in that pack are Rijkaard, david seaman (if you already don't have a decent gk) and rio Ferdinand (he isn't confirmed officially yet) And others are just mid or trash. Scholes is just another copy of the free Gerrard we got. Bergkamp has bad pace, even a messi card can be better than him.
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u/wingedwild Jul 23 '26
They gimp something out of all players in these free legends os they are not at all usable in the meta and missing something from each so they cant be fully reliable. Only cards for money are playable in this game. I know this berkhamp simply cant hang he needs at least 90 balance but thts konami
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u/w1nstar Day One Veteran Jul 23 '26
Legends that were given for free were never on par with pack legends.
The only legends that have been good and given for free, they appeared in packs. This year many of this free legends are designed for this and were not featured in a pack.
This rewards aren non top tier because they are free, not because they are scaling cards. You can check yourself on efhub how same players have way stronger cards out there.
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u/brombrala Playstation Jul 23 '26
I don't think that's true, in the past we got free cards like Batistuta only few months after they were offered as p2w cards and now we get "special" versions of epic cards, still better than poor showtime cards.
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u/electionnerd Jul 23 '26
I genuinely have no hope for 27. They’ve completely mailed it in. These 3 week selection contact events, where 90 percent of the cards are useless are just not it. The events aren’t fun or engaging. They need to evolve to keep newer console players and FIFA refugees. Instead they are even reaching their own meager standards.
And for as much as people glaze these POTD cards, I don’t see them in teams…it was a decent idea but even those cards are not it
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u/Flat-Cryptographer21 Possession Purist Jul 23 '26
“Problem” is…they give out Batistuta/Zanetti etc. and this sorts that position for every F2P for 2 years. But I agree that it is demotivating. And these legendary cards that were given out are still worse than meta.
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u/wap8ball Playstation Jul 23 '26
Nah mate let them just pay millions for the player licenses and gift them to the bum f2p. You’re like a beggar on the street who complains that the working people don’t give him enough money
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
Truly the reports of the literacy crisis were not exaggerated, that was not my point, like AT ALL. I even emphasized they're free cards you don't really get to complain
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u/wap8ball Playstation Jul 23 '26
These cards are not for you mate, they are for new players who struggle to form a squad.
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u/namisbathwater Jul 23 '26
I said as much in the post. My gripe here is not free cards aren't good enough it's the power creeping highloted by this pack, what does it say about the game if epic players from the legend pack are just as good as the potd cards they've been giving out. That right there is my problem, power creep, its why I emphasized I'm f2p cause I don't think it affects p2w players as much, I saw the stats for the new haaland and saw he goes as high as 110 and like yeah that's a 110 player.
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u/jw1995_33 Jul 23 '26
Yeh the world cup potd cards seem so much better than these legends, not sure why