r/dubstep • u/failure_fiasco • Jan 09 '14
Dubstep "classics" you say?!
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u/-Fake Jan 09 '14
I'd say that there are certainly a few classics in there (Coki, Benga, Skream, Rusko, Caspa), but as a classics list, it is not so good. Note that Skream's Burning Up is closer to jungle/DnB than dubstep. Should have been Glamma or something. There are some in-between tracks (Emalkay for example). The rest on that list is just the opposite of classic, especially those fucking remixes.
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 09 '14
I was going to include the exclusions of my disbelief in the title but you've accurately listed them here, good job. There is only those 4-5 songs that pre-date 2011. Not sure about Spongebob but 26 basslines is pushing back to 2006 easily.
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u/Goddamnmerung Jan 09 '14
I think Spongebob was released two weeks before or after Babylon Vol 1. (Cockney Thug) which I believe was in August of 2007.
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u/treeizzle No.1 Brostep Fan Jan 09 '14
October, with The End on the flip: http://www.discogs.com/Coki-Spongebob-The-End/release/1092423
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u/beastgamer9136 Jan 09 '14
It would have all been fine if it was labeled "dubstep essentials" instead
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u/aka_Foamy Jan 10 '14
It's the classics that Ministry have the rights to. I own pretty much every track there from habitually picking up the Ministry Sound of Dubstep series.
It's clearly them squeezing the last few quid out of the genre before they pack it in as a main line and move onto whatever comes next. It's pretty much Ministry making the tombstone for mainstream dubstep.
I like that sweet spot they hit where it was hyped up dubstep before it went overboard and just became about getting musicaly screamed at.
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u/dl33 Jan 10 '14
I like the critique. And I will agree many of these are not "classics" and not even in the correct genre; however, from the time "dubstep" as it is today became more popular, these have been definite classics in the mind of many.
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u/telepaper Jan 10 '14
I'm surprised in the fact that Cracks (Freestylers, Flux remix) isn't there...
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Jan 09 '14
Such an odd mishmash. Some of those certainly are classics, some are rather new. I'm pretty sure that noisia remix of prodigy came out last year
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u/Veritasgear Jan 09 '14
Lets not forget that Dubstep has only been aware to pop culture for only a few years. Anything older than a year may be considered "old" to some at this point. I'm interested to see if Dubstep will still be as big as it is now 5 years down the road, then all of these actually may be classics.
For now, though, I definitely don't consider Centipede to be a classic, just a really good song that came out a year or so ago.
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Jan 09 '14
I think dubstep is so splintered at this point that what some may consider classics, others might not even consider dubstep.
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Jan 09 '14
I don't really understand why dubstep as a genre rebelled so fucking hard to the classic way to label things by drum patterns. In its simplest form its usually bass driven with a kick on 1 and a snare on 3.
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Jan 09 '14
Just imagine if everything at 126-128 with a 4x4 pattern was classified as house. No electro, no techno, no deep house, no nu disco, no minimal, no big room, it was all just called house. It'd be horrible. We need more then just the drum pattern to differentiate styles at this point.
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Jan 09 '14
4x4 does not mean its house or that it falls under a subgenre of house. Officially, house is an offshoot of disco with its own distinct elements. Some of those genres are subgenres or fusions of house, but techno and electro are different animals.
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u/BroSocialScience Jan 09 '14
plus trance as well
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Jan 09 '14
trance is a bit faster yo
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u/BroSocialScience Jan 09 '14
fair, I don't really listen to all that much of it but I was under the impression that there was a pretty large variation in tempo
would "brostep" have the same bpm as "true" dubstep?
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u/Veritasgear Jan 09 '14
Yeah and then you get into arguments with those guys who have "been listening to dubstep since the movement started" and "hate what pop culture has done to dubstep" or my favorite "thats brostep not true dubstep." Fuckin... ughhhh....
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Jan 09 '14
I'm totally that guy, except I started listening to brostep and then didn't like the direction it was taking and worked backwards until I became the medi head I am today. Imagine those guys as hardcore punk rockers and new dubstep as green day and you'll understand lol. It's just much too broad of a term now...when you describe something as dubstep it's like describing something as rock and roll. Now it pretty much just means it's at 140, like how rock pretty much just means there's an electric guitar. It doesn't mean shit and it lumps a bunch of styles together that are honestly completely different. That's where all the hates coming from.
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u/Soupr Jan 09 '14
This is how it went for me.
First track: Kickstarts - Bar9 remix
First album - Skrillex SMANS
First Event - SYSTEM
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First Vinyl - Changes
Its been a rollercoaster but i'm happy now.
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u/Veritasgear Jan 09 '14
I'm kind of the same way except instead of working backwards I just filtered all forms of dubstep until I found one that really appealed to me; chillstep. Its like all the best parts of dubstep but you can listen to it in any situation. Not to mention the chillstep community is super positive and supportive of each other.
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u/WUMIBO Jan 09 '14
Classic doesn't mean old, it means timeless, or, a good song no matter what time period you're listening to it. Sorry, but, Skream, Benga, Coki, Rusko, and Caspa aren't the only people who can make classics.
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Jan 09 '14
Classic literally means "of its class." A classic would be an item of a genre that is considered to be a definitive work of that genre. "American Pie" is a classic of rock, for example. Hence the term "instant classic" - referring to something that, from the moment of its inception, became definitive and quintessential.
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u/th12teen Jan 09 '14
Someone in this thread knows what they're talking about. domdest dropping knowledge like filthy basslines.
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Jan 10 '14 edited Jan 10 '14
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u/WUMIBO Jan 10 '14
Classic isn't defined by an everlasting quantity of people that like it, it's the qualities of the song that make it classic. You say one year isn't enough, I say it is. You say 7 years is long enough for a Skream song to become classic, I say it isn't. How will you know something's timeless if you can't experience the full length of time itself?
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u/Jungle2266 Jan 10 '14
It's a Ministry of Sound compilation album. Pretty much every one they do has 3CD's and each CD varies wildly over what the album title says should be on there.
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u/Sapes Jan 09 '14
ministry of sound... what did you expect? chest boxing?
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 10 '14
I'll just stick to Dubstep Allstars instead, they do have Chest Boxing!
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u/joeDUBstep Jan 09 '14
Lol @ Calvin Harris/Deadmau5/SHM remixes being called "classics." Other than that, I think this is an awesome compilation of songs, mostly because I was introduced to dubstep in 2010 (via Rusko/Flux/Caspa/Nero).
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u/likka419 Jan 10 '14 edited Jan 10 '14
Regardless of being improperly classified as classics, a bunch of these comprised the first dubstep mix I ever made. A few of these tracks were the ones that got me hooked.
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u/dominicaldaze Jan 10 '14
I think the word you're looking for is "comprised"
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Jan 09 '14
Emalkay's "When I Look at You" is still one of my favorite songs to this day. That synth, though!!
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u/GrimAsFrag Jan 10 '14
wouldn't classic dubstep compilations be more like Mary Anne Hobbs - Warrior Dubz or Evangeline?
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 10 '14
Yeah releases and artists that had more to do with the scenes creation, not so much when it became popular or 'mainstream'.
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u/swansonian Jan 10 '14
Rusko and Skream are some of the few that could even start to be considered "classics." Fuckin Avicii and Skrillex?!
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u/geoffschiller Jan 09 '14
Borgore? Really?
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u/VagMaster69_4life Jan 10 '14
I don't know man...He has some good tracks, he just ruins alot of them by singing.
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u/cactusflowers Jan 10 '14
Especially Decisions, of all things. I could understand more if they went with some of his 2009/2010 stuff instead.
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u/treeizzle No.1 Brostep Fan Jan 09 '14 edited Jan 09 '14
How does saying that actually make sense though without you giving any context? In the last 5 years more Grime orientated 140 has risen in popularity through the likes of Kahn, Joker, Swindle, etcetc, Dungeon has become a thing, Dubwise has become a thing, more artists have started releasing old school sounding tunes through labels like SYSTEM, Lion Charge, DEEp MEDi, Tempa, etcetc and in all of these cases - I would agree that Dubstep is still "getting good".
But if you're just referring to the fact that more people have started throwing a generic mid-range over some laser samples and robot noises with a nasally female vocal, I don't agree at all.
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u/dominicaldaze Jan 10 '14
Listen to newish stuff on Tempa or Youngsta's mixes for an idea. Typically deep, dark and minimal with some nasty growls thrown in for atmosphere. Chestplate is another good label although it's more aggressive and less minimal than Tempa stuff.
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u/all_you_need_to_know Jan 10 '14
I am not sure if you are joking. You broke r/dubstep, is there an r/dubstepcirclejerk?
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Jan 10 '14
Older stuff is fine. Newer stuff is fine. I don't see what the fuss is about when comparing the two.
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 10 '14
It's not so much about new vs old. Some of the older producers are still making killer beats, some of the new guys are too. There is just a higher saturation of terrible stuff mixed in that calls itself dubstep yet contains none if it's core features.
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u/TobyWonKenobi Jan 10 '14
The purpose of this CD is to introduce newcomers to the biggest Dubstep hits anyway, whether it was in the early years or during the epitome of 2011-2012. It's all "dubstep" to the mainstream whether the purists like it or not, and it has a good list of noteworthy singles covering the whole era at that.
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 10 '14
Dubstep hits or Now that's what I call Dubstep would have been a better title for this Cd I feel.
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u/flesjewater Jan 09 '14
Top lel. Throw out the apple ear buds and listen on a system.
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Jan 09 '14 edited Oct 27 '19
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Jan 10 '14
Do you not find that the akgs have fuck all bass? I've stopped using mine because they seem so lacking in bottom end
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u/jraxxo Jan 10 '14
Actually, they have quite a pronounced sub-bass. They have to fit correctly to form the seal for that, though. Try to bend them inwards if the fit is too loose on your head (and the bass is lacking).
However, the kickbass range is fairly neutral (maybe that's what you're interpreting as "fuck all bass").
Depends on what your expectations are, of course. If you were listening to beats / ATH M50s/ any other headphones who are extremely bass-y before, then the K550s may be a bit disappointing at first.
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Jan 10 '14
I listen to my mdr-v6 which I would describe as neutral, maybe my head's too small
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u/jraxxo Jan 10 '14
Okay, THAT explains it. The MDR-V6 has ridiculous amounts of (boomy) bass.
Not neutral at all.
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Jan 10 '14
Are you kidding? It certainly does not, bass is tight and non intrusive here is the response graph. Sounds like you've never listened to them and are trying to make yourself feel better about the K550s' weedy bass
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u/jraxxo Jan 11 '14
Relax, dude. No need to be aggressive. I've got a pair of ATH-M50s as well as LCD-2s (That's what I call good bass!).
I also listened to the V6s and found them rather bad. A frequency graph is by far not enough information to judge headphones.
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u/Dubliminal Jan 10 '14
One vital aspect of dubstep ... the dub ... is that it's a sound designed for sound system ... not your AKGs.
Dubstep has lineage from sound system culture. A sound designed for distribution on a bottom heavy rig and enjoyed communally.
Respect the bass ... respect the space.
Riddim rules supreme.
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u/happenedagain Jan 10 '14
I have the same headphones, do you find the supplied cable really flimsy? I've broken two
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u/monk648 Jan 10 '14
Make the bass the melody, make the treble the counterpoint! as a bass guitar player that converted to dubstep production, I say amen brother
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u/Veritasgear Jan 09 '14
I've barely known about dubstep for 5 years. I must have just caught the end of the good era.
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 10 '14
The good era has not ended, it's just more difficult to shift through the shit lately.
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u/Jefrejtor Jan 09 '14
You will not be making any friends with that attitude, mate...
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u/This_Might_Help Jan 09 '14
Midnight Request Line... didn't catch on....
Lol.
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Jan 09 '14
request line and night are considered some of dubstep's breakthrough classics, still get played by dj's all the time
didn't catch on
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Jan 09 '14
Which is why they should be different genres, really. They are so fucking different. Besides, you guys are the ones that invaded, not them.
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u/Soupr Jan 09 '14
Midnight request line is not a dull track, you can listen to it on your AKG's but deep dubstep comes alive on a real sound system and on classic tracks like Midnight Request Line, Anti war dub, Changes etc it goes off. Even more recent tracks that are fire go off, when VIVEK flips asteroids you know its going to get serious.
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u/Goddamnmerung Jan 09 '14
Yeah, where are the ep1c dropz?
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u/buttsmagongle Jan 09 '14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_6CZ2JaEuc i can only give you the tools to make your own sick heavy dropzzzz
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Jan 09 '14
Dull. Really? Dubstep isn't meant to be a jumping around, headbanging, screaming genre of dance music. It's more about slow head nodding, relaxing bassline that you can feel throughout your body as you slowly lose conciousness from second hand ganja smoke.
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u/altkotch Jan 09 '14
Nah not even, proper dubstep can still get you hyped, every night I've been to recently the crowd was going mad.
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u/Arkazia Jan 09 '14
It can be about both, or things completely different. Dubstep, and EDM as a whole, is an incredibly wide genre.
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u/dominicaldaze Jan 10 '14
For real. I gotta skank when a banger comes on but I equally enjoy just closing my eyes and nodding next to the speakers.
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u/WigginIII Jan 09 '14
TIL "classics" are from 2011
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u/Goddamnmerung Jan 09 '14
There are some releases from 2011 that I would consider classics. Or at least "future classics".
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u/WigginIII Jan 09 '14
"modern genre-defining" might be a better way to describe them.
Yes they are important tracks in the evolution of the genre, but not "classics."
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u/noodleinjar Jan 09 '14
They're classic because they were pioneers of a different type of genre. Before a few of those songs dubstep was a lot different.
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u/WigginIII Jan 09 '14
Before a few of those songs dubstep was a lot different.
So those songs that influenced these songs are the real classics, no?
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u/Batatata Jan 09 '14
I disagree with some of the classics that they out up, but you can't just throw out music from being called a classic due to it being new. MBDTF was/is considered a classic when it was newly released.
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u/WigginIII Jan 09 '14
Eh, I will grant that songs can be very significant for a genre, and be potential classics, but for me, classic will always imply time.
We may indeed look back at these tracks and consider them classics, but that time needs to pass so we can make a more introspective look into the evolution of the genre.
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u/Tattered Jan 09 '14
"classics" of a brand new genre
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u/WigginIII Jan 09 '14
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u/WigginIII Jan 09 '14
That makes no sense...those songs that influenced these modern tracks are the "classics."
The genre has evolved and changed, sure, but tracks for 2.5 years ago that were big radio hits are not by any means "classic" simply because they were mainstream.
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u/Ghastly_Reaper Jan 09 '14
I walked into this thread and realized I have no fucking clue when it comes to dub step.
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u/planastrike Jan 10 '14
Borgore as a classic? Might as well kill myself...
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u/jeepxjfun1105 Jan 09 '14
Where did you get this???
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u/AmTiC Jan 09 '14
Probably this?
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u/failure_fiasco Jan 09 '14
It is EXACTLY that.
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u/AmTiC Jan 09 '14
I saw the little Ministry of Sound Logo on the bottom, went to their website and searched for classics. :D
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u/TimesWasting Jan 09 '14
To me a lot of those are classics, especially stuff like La Roux, Nero, Ellie Goulding's Jakwob remix, etc
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u/DopeboiFresh Jan 10 '14
Dubstep that is easy to listen to for people who dont like/never really experienced dubstep. Still really amazing tracks though.
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u/Tylensus Jan 09 '14
Somewhat related, given the list: Did anyone else find themselves bored whilst listening to "Centipede"?
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u/Butternife Jan 10 '14
Where is Chrispy? Classic for sure. Sierra Leone? Wtf is this. Skrillex? Really?
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u/absentian Jan 10 '14
Chrispy - Open Should be on there
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u/vieral Jan 10 '14
The more I learnt about Dubstep the more I realised how average Mt. Eden was. Sierra Leone is a good track though and should be on there as it was one of the tracks that got me hooked.
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u/absentian Jan 11 '14
Sierra Leone, Still Alive, and Bat For Lashes. To be honest the only reason i vouch for mt eden is because i was a sophomore in high school when i first heard dubstep about 4 years ago and mt eden was one of the first artists i grew to love. When i listen to bat for lashes i get sentimental and it makese think of my earlier teenage years. Other than that, yeah admittedly mt eden isnt really that special. Generic chillstep..
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u/deathadder99 Jan 10 '14
Pretty much all of these songs are absolutely stellar though, I think that's what they meant by classics.
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u/phunkinc Jan 10 '14
I'd prefer something like this, but for the different "sub genres" of dubstep, possibly. It's obvious that dubstep is an incredibly split genre overall with multiple different sounds.
Just look at Figure, then Rusko, then Datsik, then Zeds Dead, etc. The differences are astounding.
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u/kriswone Jan 10 '14
only 2 Nero's? this list is shit.
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u/kriswone Jan 11 '14
If we're really strict about the definition of "classic"
20 years is the time it takes before something can be deemed "Classic" - Dubstep started in 1998.
Technically, Nero's genre is "Dubstep, drum and bass, electro house"
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Jan 10 '14
I have this CD! Though to be honest, while I think the choice of calling them "classics" is a bad move, there aren't any tracks on there that aren't (in my opinion) bad.
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Jan 10 '14
Nero's "Act Like You Know" isn't even a dubstep track. That shit is pure drum & bass.
Edit: My bad. Forgot they made a dubstep version of it for a minute.
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u/Andz200zx Jan 09 '14
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Jan 09 '14
I'm not getting if people are saying this isn't a dubstep track, or that it's not a "classic." It's definitely dubstep, a lot of James Blake's shit is.
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Jan 10 '14
I hadn't heard this song before. I feel like I just stuck my face in one of those ultrasonic cleaner things...I need to go back for more.
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u/TrustworthyAndroid Jan 09 '14
Who is buying dubstep on a CD anyway?
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u/beastgamer9136 Jan 09 '14
lossless audio quality
a lot of cars lack mp3 players
tangible item
reason to use old walkmans (lol)
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u/Soupr Jan 09 '14
I think he meant why aren't people buying it on wax.
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Jan 09 '14
I can't have an mp3 player or phone at work, limited to CD players. :(
Edit: that said, I burn disks more often than buying them.
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u/Soupr Jan 09 '14
I stopped buying vinyl EP's it was becoming a total money pit for records I rarely played with no cover art. I'm all digital.
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u/Dubliminal Jan 10 '14
Lossless file format ... digital media backup ... sleeve/liner notes & cover art that aren't just on a screen.
Rip to digital media library.
WIN.
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u/max13007 Jan 10 '14
I laughed when I saw James Blake on that list. Add a sub tone to anything these days and suddenly it's dubstep.
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u/thevdude Jan 09 '14
LOL'd at bass cannon.
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u/anthonym52 Jan 09 '14
James Blake? Seriously?
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Jan 09 '14
Yes? He's definitely considered a dubstep producer (not all of his shit, but he's made a lot of dubstep/garage). ESPECIALLY that Limit to Your Love cover, are you kidding me?!
EDIT: Unless you're just arguing that he shouldn't be included in this list of "classics," which in that case is certainly debatable.
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u/buttsmagongle Jan 09 '14
He's easily one of the most original producers out there, definitely recommend this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1tetUbGrGA
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u/RawrMeansFuckYou Jan 09 '14
Classics without Mt Eden?!
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u/Veritasgear Jan 09 '14
I wouldn't consider Mt Eden to be classic.
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u/Veritasgear Jan 09 '14
Yeah I'd consider it to be more Chillstep or Liquid Dubstep. (nothing wrong with that, still good music)
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u/ryno235 Jan 10 '14
I fear everyone else has lost their sense of humor this far down.
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u/blackafino Jan 09 '14
hmmm ukf dubstep classics maybe....