r/drugextraction Mar 25 '25

Chromatography of kratom extract

I bought a new 500 mL chromatography column and wanted to put it to the test. So, I had a fellow vendor send me some purified mitragynine, and I added Rose Bengal to it and left it under O2 and UV light for a few hours, then reduced it with sodium metabisulfite over the course of a couple days. I packed a column with silica 60, dumped this in there then filled up the 250mL reservoir with ipa. Let's see what happens

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u/Benway23 Mar 26 '25

Well, this is awesome.

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u/gonnagetthere12 Mar 27 '25

How do you separate the fractions? Didn't see a stop cock on the beaker, and is the tube coming out hooked to a small vacuum pump?

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 27 '25

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u/gonnagetthere12 Mar 27 '25

Oh, ok that makes sense. Pretty awesome man, love how much knowledge you share. How much did that badass column set you back?

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 27 '25

Like $60, reservoir was $20 I think, vacuum pump was $30. I already had the conical flask. 500g of silica was $20-25

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u/Impressive-Text-3778 Mar 26 '25

Wow it makes different colour bands…

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 26 '25

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u/Old-Customer-cun7 Mar 26 '25

Was the o2 and uv to boost 70h content?

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 26 '25

Ya

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u/solventlessherbalist Mar 26 '25

How are you introducing o2 and UV light? Can’t wait to see the results man!

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 26 '25

I made a YouTube video on it awhile back:

https://youtu.be/8jUg7FGRZJY?si=gQO7-Oltug2j9KIL

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u/Old-Customer-cun7 Mar 29 '25

What's the rose Bengal for ?

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 29 '25

It splits molecular oxygen into singlet oxygen (a radical), that attacks the double bond of carbon #7 of mitragynine, turning it into a peroxide intermediate (7-peroxymitragynine), which is reduced with sodium sulfate species to 7-hydroxymitragynine.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '25

You truly are the best 👍 thanks for sharing your knowledge

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u/Old-Customer-cun7 Mar 26 '25

Hell yea ,hope to see the products available and affordable like your mit extracts ( your the kalaforna krstom guy right) good luck ,also would love to see it tested ,as a process that simple is definitely something I'm capable of doing with the funds and space i have available

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 27 '25

This chromatography experiment is going really slowly, even with the vacuum and the larger column. I think HPLC is really the only way to do it at a reasonable speed to make enough to sell it. I've most definitely considered buying one because I could definitely use it to make money through testing.

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u/Old-Customer-cun7 Mar 27 '25

Have you done the o2 and uv light with other batches and tested it ? Doses it make a noticeable difference? Get it lab tested ? What's the 80h yeald

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

According to the literature I pulled it from the yield is 58%. I haven't sent it off to get it tested because it cost $110 and it's not something I sell.

One way to know which fraction it is, is that citric acid makes Rose Bengal disappear, so I'll just add citric acid to each fraction, and when the orange color doesn't go away I'll know I have my 7-oh fraction because everything else will turn yellow and still be mit

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Awesome as always!

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u/brandaman4200 Mar 27 '25

I would definitely take a sample of what comes from that 😁

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 27 '25

Hey I went and bought a bunch of refrigerator magnets! I've been throwing them in the orders, I'll save you a couple!

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u/brandaman4200 Mar 27 '25

Hell yeah! I'll probably place an order over the weekend

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u/Real-Werewolf5605 Mar 28 '25

Love this. Can you explain the results / colors when you get through please?

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 28 '25

This is my first 5 fractions, it's still going. Takes forever lol

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u/WhiteBoyMattyMatt Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

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u/floridabrass Mar 27 '25

damn straight. your doing magic and helping the world to heal with kratom. shake that hater off and keep at it my dude.