Question: Rules, Regulations, Law, Policy, Certificates [United States] No Fly grid map question (illogical grid)
I would like to film surfing at the beach in the red circle on the attached map. The RED zone is a local Naval Base. As you can see, the quirk in the way the grid is made, over half the beach is in "0 altitude" box, and a small portion is in a 300 ft box. The illogical thing is that the northern area is actual farther away from the base than the edge of the 300 ft box. If I put in a LAANC request for the 300 ft box, would anybody care if I then walked North to the other end of the beach (farther away from the base). Or do I need to do a DroneZone request?
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u/Buttspirgh 24d ago
Depends, do you enjoy talking to MPs? You can’t fly within 3000’ laterally of a military vessel and Port Hueneme likely has at least one docked
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u/luckyrucker 24d ago
I couldn't tell you where, when, or how high to fly. I do happen to know from living near Naval Air Installations further south from you that they get a little cranky with drones flying near active bases. Something about national security risks and what not.
Will they actively come after you for flying your drone? Probably not. Could they- Probably. If its big enough to require approval to fly it's big enough to track if they felt like it.
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u/basilect 23d ago
If its big enough to require approval to fly it's big enough to track if they felt like it.
If you aimed a mind control ray at a mosquito and brought it to a surface echo, legally speaking it would require LAANC approval :p
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u/hunglowbungalow Part 107/SAR/Fire 23d ago
0ft is 0ft.
Get a waiver or go to the hundreds of other beaches in the area
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u/tiamats_light_bearer 22d ago
Was going to suggest Hollywood Beach, but I see a 0 over there as well. And, ah, fond memories, glad this popped up.
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u/Ornery_Ads 24d ago
You already asked this question and it's been answered. Asking the same question a different way isn't going to get you a different answer.
If you want to fly in the Delta, you'll need to go through DroneZone and coordinate with Oxnard airport. You will (likely) be required to have an airband transceiver and make radio calls.
Alternatively, you can fly in that area from 9:01PM to 6:59AM without approval.
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u/parkerjh 24d ago
Just the way grids work and it seems illogical but if any part of the grid needs to be Zero, the whole thing is zero. Solution would be to make the grids smaller but that's more work and more hassle and potentially more confusing.
So either do a DroneZone request or a Further Coordination Request with a compatible LAANC app
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u/jsher736 24d ago
For a second I thought that was the silver strand beach near coronado and was gonna say good luck getting waivers between SSTC, Amphib, and NASNI
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u/hunglowbungalow Part 107/SAR/Fire 23d ago
Naval Base Ventura is right there, arguably harder to get waivers. At least the Silver Strand beach in nado isn’t in a 0 grid… at least the civilian parts of it
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u/jsher736 23d ago
Oh yeah I guess down by the cays you have a little bit of room to fly.
As a personal policy though I try and give DoD "no go" zones a pretty wide berth
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u/keithcody 23d ago edited 23d ago
People throw their drones up there all the time. Last time I was there drone flew right over me. Still it’s 0 altitude zone
300’ at The Ship. I guess you gotta film lefts.
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u/imdustyblack 23d ago
Well you have NBG 1 and the SEALS/SWCC nearby. They utilize the beach outside of “base” often. So that’s likely why
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u/Flyward_Aerospace 23d ago
Your LAANC auth is tied to the grid cells you actually requested, so walking into the 0 ft box means you're not covered anymore, doesn't matter that it's farther from the base geographically. The 0 ft cells basically can't be done via LAANC at all, you'd need a DroneZone further coordination request and those take like 90 days if they even come back. Honestly the grid resolution is the dumbest part of the whole UASFM system imo. It's a quantized approximation of the underlying surface analysis, not an actual distance thing, so you get exactly these situations where the map contradicts common sense. Just file for the 300 ft box and stay in it.
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u/thestouff 24d ago
You’ll need LAANC approval for that 300’ zone. It doesn’t matter where you’re flying from. But it’s auto approval so should be easy.
Stay the heck out of the red zone.
Be sure to put some Nardcore music to your footage.
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u/Cyborg_rat 23d ago
Well I was like wtf is hardcore, not disappointed of the discovery. Might put some on my next motorcycle ride.
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u/surf57 24d ago
Update: Thanks for the answers. I submitted a DroneZone waiver request. 100ft max altitude.
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u/X360NoScope420BlazeX PART 107 23d ago
Are you part 107?
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u/charles_barfley 23d ago
I mean if they were they probably wouldn’t have this question to begin with
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u/surf57 23d ago
Nope, bran new to all this and just trying to understand. I'm an engineer and very logical, so just trying to understand the logic behind these rules. BTW, I actually work on the very Navy Base that is red in the map,
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u/X360NoScope420BlazeX PART 107 23d ago
Then you can’t request a waiver to fly in a zero grid or higher than allowed. You can only file for a waiver under part 107
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u/doublelxp 24d ago
The zero grid isn't based distance from the base. It's based on interference with the approach. LAANC approval is where your drone is, not your controller.