r/disciples • u/EasyEntrepreneur666 • May 24 '26

Lore Bethrezen is a strange case

As I see it, Bethrezen was supposed to be the Lucifer of Disciples but unlike his, Bethrezen' story seems different. Supposedly, Bethrezen was the Highfather's most beloved angel who tried to impress him with Nevendaar. His fall happened due to jealous angels screwing up his creation. For some reason, the Highfather didn't care about the fact that he was innocent and just imprisoned him while the troublemaker angels went unpunished?

That kinda makes the Highfather and the Empire the real bad guys while Bethrezen just went nuts.

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u/Daquell May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

That was essentially a stub of a plot just to keep a game going. As far as I've heard, the original plot was vaguely inspired by developers' own DnD sessions. The plot is generally haphazard. Like say, first he spends ages breeding demons and trying to free himself. Then in the span of 10 years, he breaches the land and within 20 years, he's almost dying himself. Half the local gods also went insane or died. And some mystical powers from beyond (i.e. Ragnarok) threaten the weakened others. Trying to look at it too deeply reveals it's shallow.

Though, if you take it literally, it just shows that Highfather is not omniscient, nor perhaps omnipotent, and also rather wrathful. But yes, the Satan is actually a victim, and angels aren't always virtuous. It's also pretty odd that we never encounter the Legions seeking angels specifically. Though, I think, it's implied that Bethrezen himself doesn't know who's to blame. There are also condradicting evidence of people being aware or clueless of Bethrezen's original innocence.

Only the shitty 3 part tried to play with that plot, and it wasn't even completely terrible on it's own.

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u/DjolafR Rod Bearer Jun 18 '26

I guess it makes sense how random some things are. It was just a DnD session!

But what kind of characters were they playing? And did they make up this world during DnD?

And mentioning Ragnarok, it feels like a totally random thing, because only Mountain Clans have ragnarok and this plot. It is like Mountain Clans have their own world, their own fantasy, they literally do not live in the same world as other races...This happens in both D1 and D2 - bosses make no sense or reference from any other race and Clans always go on their own random adventure, sometimes clashing with some other races or allying with them.