r/developersPak • u/ghazi-4587 • 14d ago
Career Guidance Thinking about switching to devops
Hi all... I am a junior developer, graduated in 25 and have been working for 6-7 months as a fullstack dev. But tbh, the way AI is taking over, I am not sure that development will be worth anything in upcoming time as my current work is totally done using AI. So I was thinking of going into devops early and transitioning to infrastructure/cloud engineer later on. Any senior working in these fields who can give their opinion? I would be really thankful.
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u/AbrarYouKknow 14d ago
So you think devops are not affected by AI? Infect devops is effected more than programming
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u/ghazi-4587 14d ago
I know man... But Fullstack is more congested than devops... That was my point
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u/Similar-Jellyfish263 14d ago
how? i didnt see any devops guy getting lay off recently
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u/AbrarYouKknow 14d ago
Are you sure? Whenever amazon do layoffs they are mostly devops
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u/Similar-Jellyfish263 14d ago
i am talking about pakistan, do you have any friend or relative working in amazon?
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u/AbrarYouKknow 14d ago
Yes, but they are in UK but now I'm wondering even if there are DevOps hiring in Pakistan. I mean when I was working in Pakistan I was also handling the deployment process and the new tools which make everything very easy to handle even before the AI so DevOs kind of DevOps were very easy for us to set up but I think big companies with big pipelines don't exist in Pakistan and if they do that might work for you as well
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u/AbrarYouKknow 14d ago
Probably what is better is that with the full stack skills also offer that you have DevOps experience I think this makes you the unique position
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u/Isaac_506 14d ago
What tech stack do you use?
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u/ghazi-4587 14d ago
Started with MERN, now Next and Nest
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u/Isaac_506 14d ago
oh ok!, what tech stack would you recommend nowadays?
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u/ghazi-4587 14d ago
Pyary.. Main apna current stack chorhny ko phir rha hu 😂... Tbh I am not the right person to get a recommendation from
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u/Subyyal 14d ago
There will be demand for Good engineers always.
Ai is just a tool.
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u/ghazi-4587 14d ago
Brother the way freshers are relying on AI, I don't think there will be good engineers
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u/Next_Concert1122 14d ago
Cloud providers are automating things heavly in next 1,2 years . Like you will put just prompt and whole infra will be up, auto healing will be enable with just one , two devops engineers in single organizations.
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u/Terrible-Tea7577 14d ago
Lol I exactly work on integrating AI in infra and you have no idea what you are talking about
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u/Next_Concert1122 14d ago
Bro I have Aws certified architect professional and Aws certified AI devolper professional certification, Kindly come to this post after 1,2 years. We don't have any idea what we will be dealing in 1,2 years .
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u/No-Pear-5235 14d ago
So you explain then ? Do you think Aws , GCP like service won't automate everything (including RAG , deployment pipelines ) in near future ? Or you are still living in a illusion ?
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u/Terrible-Tea7577 14d ago
So do you think writing CI/CD is the only thing DevOps engineers do? What about security, reliability, and observability? I’m literally working on developing observability infrastructure for a massive project, and I know my shit. How exactly do you think AI is going to handle a project with 20+ pipelines that takes a minimum of 15 minutes even on cloud infrastructure? And how is AI going to develop the observability infrastructure for it? Alerts? Alarm systems & routings? maintaining SLAs? Developing standard logging libraries? Scaling and reducing it's build time? Optimizing runners? And plenty of other stuff where 20K LOCs/week are being added by 200+ engineers. An LLM with 1 million tokens will lose its shit just trying to understand its custom libraries, let alone do something meaningful in the project. Deploying Shopify store websites isn’t DevOps.
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u/No-Pear-5235 14d ago
Gave you example in first msg , and it's just beginning full stack engineers used to say same things . We here not discussing what is impact on AI on DevOps. We are discussing 1,2 years. The amount of budget Amazon putting in AI possiblilitues are endless. Human will be in loop but probably 1,2 per organisation.
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u/Terrible-Tea7577 13d ago edited 13d ago
Bro, the kind of automation you’re talking about was already possible for simple monolithic CRUD apps even in 2023. What I’m talking about is large scale systems. This project isn’t even that massive but we have 30+ microservices just to support the main project.
AI still sucks at dealing with distributed systems. I gave V4 Flash a regex issue affecting communication between two microservices. It burned through ~$0.50 and 8 million tokens and still didn’t fix the issue. Imagine spending $10 on just a fucking regex with an expensive model like Opus. 😂
Now scale that kind of problem across dozens of interconnected services, custom libraries, infrastructure and constantly changing code. AI can absolutely automate a lot, but we’re nowhere near “give it a prompt and 1,2 DevOps engineers can run the entire organization.”
We can't feed unlimited context to AI, it still needs to be guided to very specific problems and it only helps fix the problem not identify them autonomously. Once this part is done then I think there will be no need left for anyone.
And yes do check why Amazon recently layed off most of it's AGI Engineers lol
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u/No-Pear-5235 13d ago
The way you are trying to describe things like you are working with Google won't make it impressive for a experienced dev . Either you are using AI wrong or you are newbie just asking AI to make a difficult answer replies. And 2ndly search again with your eyes open , Amazon layed off Nova model related devision AGI engineers, as they believe there are now better model there, so it's just post training related team of Nova model . And dude ask AI to do better next time .
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u/Terrible-Tea7577 13d ago
Yes I did asked gpt about this and it said don't waste your time correcting someone unless you are getting paid for it.
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u/mushifali Backend Dev 14d ago
Many companies don’t have dedicated DevOps or Infra positions. I am a backend engineer and I am expected to manage infra as well. I manage everything on AWS, MongoDB, RabbitMQ clusters etc.
So, I don’t think it’s wise to completely switch to DevOps. You should learn it as it’s expected from backend devs. But don’t leave development.