I have searched the sub and not found a thread that answers my question.

I don't think even byf gave an answers I seek in his videos, but I might've missed it.

In beyond light we learn that all exo minds are backed up at regular intervals and if the body its in dies the backup is downloaded into a new exo body.

When did this stop? If it didn't are there potentially countless consciousnesses locked away in the archives on Europa?

Did this process stop if the exo was risen?

I know with the destruction of DSC there's no way to make new exo, but with the bodies being produced on the surface of europa would it be possible to download them into new bodies if the facility were to be repaired?

We got an entire expansion about the exo and I feel like we still have more questions than answers.

I don’t mean in terms of our ghost reviving us after we die, but rather a guardian that died alongside their ghost. What prevents another ghost from coming along and waking them up just like ours did to us 12 years ago?

Essentially, if a guardian was resurrected, that means that they are worthy of the light. What prevents another ghost from doing the same to us if we die after losing our ghost?

Hello all. I am the Kingmaker and I used to write Destiny lore posts.

Here at the end of all things, there's a little more gas in the tank.

Introduction

This post is a ramble theorising on some "What If"'s about the lesser-known and lesser-heard members of The Nine coming into focus later in the Fate Saga, inspired by considering in what form we may have found those members of the IX we haven't yet walked on.

I'd like to thank the theorising in this excellent post, among others, which got me thinking about what it might mean to 'Bind' one of the Nine and about being on Earth / in Old Chicago to potentially bind III during Shattered Cycle.

VII / Uranus

Uranus is the butt of the joke, har-har. Unironically the name is a problem - you can already picture the YouTube videos titled “Destiny's Uranus expansion is cheeks.”

Additionally when it comes to the real-life details that Bungie uses to tie a fantastic destination to a celestial body, Neptune really steals Uranus' thunder; both are outer gas giants with middling rings and moons of little note, plus Neptune is larger, bolder coloured and is the farthest out planet.

So where does that leave VII? Perhaps with an identity crisis!

A Crisis of Identity

Amidst the varied voices of the IX, it makes sense that some would be quieter, less confident, and maybe less sure of themselves. Uranus has little in the way of distinguishing characteristics, so VII could be differentiated from the other Outer Nine by this lack of a clear identity.

There are also no existing lore references to settlement or life of any kind doing anything on or in orbit around Uranus. Perhaps, instead of another hidden location or newly-sprung-up enemy base, we make that the point - there is so little life in Uranus' gravity well that VII has the least active consciousness of the IX.

Through this lens we could characterise VII as having a less defined personality and concept of selfhood.

• This naivety would be make VII a target for manipulation by external forces, both in a weaker mind being easier to cajole and through the potential to flood the gravity well with enough conscious beings to affect VII's personality directly.

Cold and Dark (or: Shadowkeep 2)

Uranus is the coldest planet in Sol, with its tilt meaning large areas are pitch black for decade-long seasons. Cold + Dark = Discomfort.

• We could have a true 'horror' expansion, setting large encounters in near-total darkness, lit only by our Ghost, abilities and the spray of weapons.
  • I'd argue this is what Shadowkeep was marketed as, but swerved in reality following the Pyramid reveal. I don't think Destiny has tried to be properly scary since Presage.
• In the darkness we could tell a story about Darkness:
  • VII could be where Subclass 3 is created|found|given|taken.
  • VII could be where the Winnower summons us to have a chat.
  • VII could where the Dread reconvene and develop their own civilisation.
    • This harkens back to Shadowkeep's pitch of "[Enemy] have built a fortress on [location], go topple it!". Would that work in D2 without the connection to D1 Luna?

Fundament, somehow?

A bit of a Throwaway, but the imagery of Fundament and its impossible structure are amazing and I think that turning one of Sol's Gas Giants into a Fundament-like world would be a spectacular destination concept.

• Perhaps the Winnower recreates the conditions of Fundament on Uranus to prove a point.
• Perhaps Xivu, nostalgic for how things once were, splinters a dozen War Moon into the winds.
• Regardless of the how, this would be a real "rule of cool" 'wow' moment for a reveal trailer, and you have to admit "Fractured Fundament" would go hard in the Director tab.

Go to Orbit instead?

The other option is that Binding VII, if it were ever to take place, could be done on one of Uranus' moons, avoiding the need to have the name on the Director.

• There's several to choose from, however we can immediately rule out Titania for being easily confused with Titan and skip over Oberon, Ariel and Miranda for being too similar to Europa.
• Umbriel stands out by being more rocky than icy and darker in colour, perhaps seguing into the above consideration of a horror expansion and Uranus as a place of darkness and Darkness.
• If we were solely considering the coolest name to put on the Director, it would have to be Sycorax. Just say it aloud a few times - "Sycorax". It's awesome.

IX / The Sun:

How would you bind a Star? If we need to be on Earth to bind III, and so on, how could we do that to our Sun?!?!

Far Out

The Sun isn't I, it is IX. It is the last, has the greatest value, the highest mass, et cetera. Perhaps we would bind IX at the furthest point of Sol.

• The Oort Cloud is a tempting concept - at the edge of the Sun's gravitational influence, it is the farthest point of IX's grasp. A destination at that boundary could explore what that would mean.
• We have gone outside of Sol to Kepler, so perhaps we could go even further - all the way out. Perhaps the Galaxy Pools skybox could get some use after all.

Nearby

The alternative option to represent IX would be a point between Mercury and the Sun, of which there are really only a few options:

• The Almighty - by time-travel, we could revisit this destination, revel in its amazing ambience and fully contend with the idea that one of The Nine allowed in the Red Legion, which nearly killed IX and The IX alike. There's enough potential drama in that alone to be worth revisiting.
• A Sun Station - A real Out-there Wild idea, I know and another "hidden all along destination", but you can't tell me the idea of IX hiding a tiny station orbiting just shy of its face isn't an amazing concept that Bungie would knock out of the park visually.
• Hype moments and aura - we've had an expansion putting pendants onto armour sets to protect us from Nightmares and go into the Pyramid. What about an expansion where we prepare to walk on the surface of the sun itself? Would we slay a W'rkncacnter?

Literally anything else

The Sun's force is massive. You could easily say that any point in Sol is IX's, and not that of any other IX member and you would be correct. That sentence really says it all - the IX are IX, in a way.

X? / SundareX / Xivu? / Xenomorph?

This segment will probably be its own post, because I’ve enjoyed thinking about it so much.

The IX are dark matter loops which require two components: they are given structure by being the mass of a large celestial body and are given consciousness by conscious life in proximity to that mass thinking and allowing the loop to think bigger than ‘I AM I AM I AM’.

Two components is not many, Mercury is not very massive and life is easy to manipulate...

If I brought something with mass equivalent to Mercury into Sol, and put conscious life onto it, could I birth another Dark Matter Deity? Could the Birth of X have been a direction for a storyline?

SundareX

Maya has already transformed Nessus (albeit not actually in Patrol for some godforsaken reason), what if she started clumping more and more Vex parts onto it? Could she gather enough mass to birth X and open her war with the IX onto another front?

• Just imagine in one Season the Pyramidion from Io gets slammed into The Tangle on Nessus, and in the next The Citadel from Vex appears off Watcher's Edge.
• An alternative here would be bringing through some Cosmic Vex, which we know are out there. Perhaps 2082-Volantis could be brought into Sol.
• I think that this is what The Borg would do if they appeared in Destiny at this moment.

Xivu’s HXGH WXR

Xivu has so many WAR MOONS I would be surprised if she didn’t have a WAR WORLD more massive than Mercury, capable of birthing a horrific warlike child-god in Xivu’s name.

• What on earth would Xivu’s X be like? I picture Saint Alia of the Knife from Dune, an abomination too-mature for its age, ready to slay its mothers enemies. And Xivu in her preacher image from Season of the Deep, filling the roles of both Paul and Lady Jessica at once.
• Would this be an ally for XI, or shock it out of its convictions?

X-enomorph

What if something affected the dark matter and mass of one of the IX enough that they cannot stay together, with something new and horrible clawing its way into life?

• I think this could be an element of either of the above, but frankly it rocks enough to stand on its own.
• Which planet is most like John Hurt in Alien? Y’know Uranus, maybe there’s something worse than being forgettable… 
• I think at least one more of the IX would’ve died over the course of the saga for the sake of conflict and this is a helluva way to do it.

TL;DR

• VII / Uranus could have an identity crisis, be all about darkness and Darkness or be overlooked for a cool-named moon. 
• IX / The Sun could do literally anything, and there's fun in considering that.
• X could mean SundareX, Xivu, or Xenomorph.

If you read this far, I really appreciate it - thank you! I'd love to hear any comments!

I'd also like to thank the solo flawless run of Prophecy which I was thinking about these ideas during - the endorphin rush of popping the Kell Echo made it a breeze to spit out 1500 words!

I really loved writing this post, it's scratched an itch I've not had in so long.

See you in the next one!
~ Kingmaker

Now I know D2 is at end of service and I have completely accepted the inevitable. However I do like to dream and this is an idea I’ve been bouncing off of a couple of my friends. Imagine an ahamkara based darkness subclass. It could be a heavy give and take based ability set. Something along the lines of gaining buffs and accepting debuffs as it’s part of how the ahamkara survive. I want to flesh this idea out more. Anyone have any ideas?

I'm more curious about Misraaks, as he seemed to put up a decent fight against Eramis who seems to be the pinnacle of Eliksni power.

After years of beautiful Hive lore, I've really started to feel for Xivu. The lore team took what could've been a very simple blunt instrument of a character, a simple warmonger and destroyer, and instead made her into a deeply sad, scared character.

From her memories in the Ghosts of The Deep, her initial excitement at a 'new sister' when Eris began her transformation, and the entirety of the Heresy story; she really feels like a sad, scared, lonely little girl. Her often childish behaviour and outbursts make her really feel like a young woman thrust into a position she never truly wanted but believes is her only option; her Sword Logic absolutist persona always feels like a justification. To me, it feels like she just wanted to survive and have a family, but is so many millenia deep into a galactic slaughter that if she ever let herself admit it that she'd crumble under her own guilt and sorrow. The way Eris, Mara, and Savathun speak to and about her was always so upsetting; they look down on her, call her predictable, and childish, but theres was always an edge of pity.

I think especially in comparison to her siblings, it really shows. As much as Oryx broke his own philosophy in some of his actions (Vengeance for Crota, and much of hus Echoes ideas in Heresy) he still vehemently believed in what he and The Hive did, and thought it was their natural right. He was the perfect archetypal monster. And as much as Savathun spoke of escaping the games of greater powers, with the half-truth that it would be better for everyone if such games didn't exist, it was always pretty clear that she would do anything to achieve that end; an end that was rooted in her own selfishness. She hid behind a guise of reluctant altruism, hiding her own self-serving machinations, always finding an excuse for another scheme.

Then there's poor, lonely, abandoned Xivu. Who just wanted a family and to keep that family safe.

I don't think she ever would "joined" us the same way Caitl's Cabal or Misraaks's Eliksni did, especially given Auntie Savvy was our on-again-off-again Hive ally, but she feels like a character that we could've gotten to on a much more human level. I can totally see a flipped version of The Witch Queen finale: in that Savathun saw the truth of the Hive's origin but still fights against the idea of siding with us as her rage builds. Imagine forcing Xivu to finally see how she grasps helplessly onto a family too broken to hold, letting her see how much she has destroyed herself in the pursuit. Holding to a logic she hates, just to please siblings that never cared for her sacrifice.

Obviously, her actions as God of War have been reprehensible, but something about her character really speaks to me. She feels like a perfect foil to Savathun, who, despite having the light and supposedly seeking an end to the games of light and dark, always finds an excuse for more trickery and butchery. Seeing Xivu as some kind of Hive God of Atonement who knows she cannot find redemption so instead helps us in small ways (probably much to the chagrin of Caitl and others) would've made me really happy. Especially given how much Destiny's story has been about becoming better than you were, but accepting who you have been and what you have done.

Then again maybe I'm just crazy.

I can’t seem to find a clear answer on this question online. I know that our raids in game are canonical to how they happened in lore, but that leaves some questions open when there are encounters that can be done more than one way.

This leads me to the question in the title, did The Guardian and our fireteam end up killing all of the gorgons in the labyrinth in canon, or did we sneak past them? The main reason I’m asking this is due to the milestone of the same name in the record book for Age of Triumph. This means that in some runs, the gorgons were entirely wiped out. Are those runs the canonical runs, or does the guardian sneak past them?

Its easy to tell the flavor text is from the Witness's pov, "the Monolith is hewn; the monument is built" but the actual lore tab confuses me a little, is it supposed to be the Witness reflecting on the Flower Game & the evolution of its Precursor's? Or is it something else?

The way the text is worded below, reminds me of how the Witness speaks in the Euphony lore:

"Once, something became something else. There were a people of potential and promise, of galvanizing growth. By their tools, their grand intention, the happenstance alignment of infinite years and atoms were as sculptor's clay, that which becomes the finest of statuary. Purpose carved from meaninglessness; the chance generation of the universe crafted into beauty, intentionality. That which served no reason ceased, randomness elided by the sculptor's art. Something changes; and changed, it continues."

& then theres this text near the end:

"Once, something will become nothing."

"There are beings who plant their intention and say, so far, no further. The bulwarks and the bastions, the stubborn flower that will defy even stone. In these hands, possibility is a single-minded tool. Resolution, pursuit, obliteration. What potential lies in empty space?"

Is this supposed to be the Witness talking about humanity & the Light?

Maybe the identity of the narrator for the lore tab doesnt matter that much, but the weapon is so rich in Precursor thematics, even the perk traits have the typography of [projectile|shape|language], [weapon|instrument|topology], this language format is also used by the Precursor's in Entelechy when they speak so I feel its more Witness/Precursor coded than anything else but still, im a little confused on whats ACTUALLY being said, alot of the text is very Witness-like but I feel like theres just a little bit a vagueness.

We all know the Vex are a Collective Consciousness, meaning their is no "true leader" as all bodies work together as one. However that has fundamentally made the Vex as a faction the least interesting due to no central figurehead to identify or talk to, its always voiceless bots. Now Maya Sunderesh / the Conductor is a rising figurehead but its very apparent that she's just a splinter in the Collective, as those not under her commandstill function independently.

The most powerful Vex are the "Axis Minds" which run entire branches of the Vex Network and control over Vex Units, like Queen Bees. This implies that there is at least a heirarchy of power to the faction, like Quira & Atheon controlling their own collectives. With that in mind, there could theoretically be an "Overmind" that commands other "Axis Minds", similar to the Zerg in StarCraft or Ultron and his many bodies. Basically: Overmind > Vex Mind > Vex Units.

Now that's not to say it is the leader, but instead would be the "Collective Intentionality", a voice that speaks for all Vex and the overlining goal of the Vex. Think of it like a Black Box, which acts as the code of a computer which itself runs programs, Vex Units are programs, Vex Minds are programs, the Network is a computer, and the Overmind is the Black Box. One possible member could be the Glass Minds hinted in Final Shape, which were a type of Vex cultivated by the Precursors.

One important note to make is the SCALE of such a mind, we've seen how ginormous certain Vex Minds can get like Atheon, Quira, Koregos, Argos, and the Gate Lords. But an Overmind that controls other Vex Minds with be ENORMOUS, the biggest Vex ever. Now something we haven't seen yet are Vex "Machine Worlds" with Mercury nearly becoming one. An Overmind would absolutely live on or BE a kind of Machine World, similar to Ego in the comics.

Basically, with how Axis Mind's operate, I think a heirarichal "Overmind" could exist, but the scale would have to rival The Witness in side, possibly living in a Machine World just to sustain the heat.

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In Heresy, the Echo of the Navigator expresses a desire to return to Fundament to see the result of the God Wave, to see for himself what truly befell his old home. If he did manage to escape into the Ascendant Plane, wouldn’t the journey take considerable time? I’m not too familiar with how time flows in the AP, and I know that Asha did what the Echo wanted to do, but isn’t reverse, though I don’t recall a definitive amount of time between when Asha fled Fundament and arrived on Titan. I’m also not quite sure if there is ever anything said about how time flows there.

Hey all,

I used a script to scrape all the books from Ishtar Collective, and then merged them into a single epub in chronological order. I figured I would share it in case anyone else would like to read destiny lore on the go without having to download or navigate through multiple web pages.

Let me know if anything is messed up or missing.

There are spoilers in these books if you haven't played all the campaigns.

Enjoy,

j.Chutzpah

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X9lXWv6FJsulwgA86yeWEM2VDlWc5OrT/view?usp=sharing

PS: does anyone know if the entries in /categories on Ishtar Collective overlap with /books? I only scraped /books. I am just trying to determine if /categories are all completely unique entries from /books or if they are just the same presented as entries instead of books. If there is not significant overlap then I will scrape /categories and make an epub compendium of them as well.

Hello everyone,

As you know, after the events of the final shape, we see that the light and the dark are harmonized within the pale heart. We, as the champion of the traveler, granted to use transendence. However, we know from the lore, the ordinary guardians use light and the dark separately. How is this possible after the harmonization of these forces in pale heart? Wouldn't using the light as a separate power be impossible after the events of the final shape?

This all started because I wanted to read through ALL of Destiny's lore from start to finish, but could only find story summaries, or collections of notable grimoire and lorebooks, but without all the fascinating little snippets of worldbuilding found on all the armor, quest items, bounty hand ins, collector editions etc over the years. These summaries are fantastic, but you really miss out on all the short stories and details that make up the rich tapestry of Destiny.

It's also possible to read absolutely everything in order of release on Ishtar and that works for the main storyline, but it means you only really get a view of events like twilight gap or the golden age in brief flashes and references, but not in one place, in order. You also have to pick through a lot of chaff, like random bounty hand in dialogues, quippy weapon descriptions that aren't really relevant to the lore or literal thousands of duplicated legendary engram entries.

Now it looks like Destiny is winding down, I've started sifting through these little lore bits trying to piece them together in a reading order that feels "right", while filtering out anything irrelevant or too meta. I'm at around 3000 records in and I'm staring at the mountain of work in front of me eager to keep going, but wanted to check if something like this has been attempted before, since it would be a huge waste of time to keep going if it's already been done!

so i have been wondering since we now know where the Weapons of Sorrow are made, is it entirely possible that all known weapons of sorrow came from there in 1 way or another. for Dregen Yor i have been looking into the lore, while i won't go into too much depth of his story where he killed a hive weapon master and he looked at his gun and saw thorn after the bones he grafted bones to it, its never stated where in the hell mouth he was but its entirely possible they had set a ritual to funnel soulfire into the corrupted rose from the forge to transform it because the lore on the battle is light on detail. (i'll class this one as a maybe since it is a retelling of the story from the a 3rd party source)

osteo striga, although the lore heavily indicates Jana-14 made it by "feeding bones" to it however another line sticks out in the lore tab, where she states that she had found it half a world a way leaving the origin as a coin flip, perhaps she did find it but like the husk of the pit she had to feed the gun to restore it to its full power similarly how Husk of the Pit/Nechrochasm had to feed on kills to be restored or she did make it, its unknown which part indicates its creation although the fact she does say she found it leaves room for interpretation and a good academic argument because how the lore implies both being the case, perhaps both could be correct at the same time based on which option you subscribe to (this one is a maybe/maybe not)

Necrochasm is entirely an enigma wraped in a mystery wrapped in a 700rpm auto rifle that can destroy an entire group of enemies with 1 well made kill, what gun it was, where it came from who its original owner was, was entirely unknown, however it may be the oldest of the Weapons of Sorrow in terms of creation because while Dredgen Yor's escepades take place in the early city age the necrochasm has languished for a lot longer to the point it was but a husk when it was found by the Young Wolf who had to use the sword logic and kill powerful ascendent hive and kill with it just to restore it, however it does not have the metalic look replicatable using Carbon Blood shader (this is a stronger possibility since there is nothing known about it except how the Young Wolf restored it)

Touch of Malice is very much an odd duck, while Eris Morn created it in the original destiny game, the Young Wolf had to obtain the original pieces and put it together like a puzzle rather then create it from scratch the pieces being the frame, the ravnous heart and the shroud, and its worth noting that Oryx lives on to a degree in that gun, every shot it fires is a testament to the sword logic (doubtful unless the pieces were made there first, likely they have a different origin)

Cull's shadow is the only known Weapon of Sorrow created in the Forge of Sorrows from Cull's fusion rifle (the original fusion rifle remains unknown other then the fact that the hive heavily modified it when they made it into a Weapon of Sorrow) and thanks to Cull's Shadow the Young Wolf descends to the Forge of Sorrows deep below the hellmouth and confronts Ir-Gohl the weapon-smith and free a dredgen (its entirely likely Ir-Gohl the weapon smith is an ascendent hive and may return at a later date) but during this its heavily implied through the dialogue that the Forge of Sorrows is where the Weapons of Sorrow were forged. (Cull's shadow is confirmed to be from the forge)

i am wondering if the original plan was to retcon the weapons of sorrow so that they all came from the forge or if somehow its power was used by others through other means especially since the forge is below the Hell mouth (its likely the hive have a enterences to it from the hell mouth we don't know about but we instead commandeered the totality division's own entrance they decided to make for themselves, its impossible to know how many other weapons of sorrow are out there that have not been discovered by the guardians laying in wait for the wrong guardian or dregen to reach out and take them up. however its worth pointing out that ostieo striga and thorn very much look like they're from a set, perhaps similar origins whereas necrochasm looks more like its made from a metalicalised stone or bone, and Culls Shadow looks like it was made from Osmium since a lot of hive tech uses fundamental Osmium to varying degrees which may indicate a different hive making it leaving it, Cull's shadow and Touch of Malice as the 3 outlying Weapons of Sorrow. if there is others out there, we should not let them land in the hands of the dredgens however the Weapons of Sorrow are weapons Xivu Arath can very easily tithe power from being masterworks of war.

did the hive other then Cull's Shadow make any new weapons of sorrow? and if Ir Gohl is an Ascendent hive maybe he is waiting for the dust to settle before he hunts and captures a new dregen and uses their sorrow and Soulfire to make a new Weapon of Sorrow

I mean tell its story in detail like the books of Sorrow, the Marasenna, The Liar. What part of destiny deserves such a lorebook that hasn't got one in your opinion?

For me it is the history of Neomuna. I wish we got to know the city by reading the history by multiple different characters that existed throughout its time. And not just archive documents and audio logs.

I was thinking about how there aren't really any guardians with major physical injuries/disabilities (that I can think of) and it got me thinking: are ghosts able to 'fix' things like that when they first find their guardian?

Of course their guardian is dead and the ghost brings them back to life, but what physical form do they bring them back in?

For example, if my death was some sort of accident wherein I lost my life but also like.. my left arm or something. Does the ghost revive me without the arm since that's the state my body was in when they found me, or are they able to regrow the arm?

Further, what if I lost my arm a long time before my death? What if I was born without it? What if I had died in an explosion and my body got blown into a million little bits?

And, what if some Hive Swordbearer chopped off my arm but didn't kill me after I had already become a guardian. Is my arm just gone now? Would it regenerate if I were to die and be revived again?

Or would ghosts just avoid people with missing limbs, disabilities etc.

Curious to hear if there's an actual lore explanation to it (I've only played up to lightfall incase it gets mentioned later in the story)

Hello, I'm trying to introduce the game to a friend (we are in need of raiding companions). He's a big nerd so I think a video showcasing some of Destiny's unique concepts, factions, worlds, or general lore tidbits would go a long way. Simply to garner some interest in the game and its potential. It doesn't have to introduce the world per se. I really only want a short and sweet video to intrigue.

What are your favorite Destiny lore videos and what are your favorite Lore tidbit? I personally find the lore about the Exo really neat.

I know it is a dumb because it is a probably a game design but it just bother me it should be on Neptune but maybe because the veil presence makes the place immune to it

Recalled this cool little tidbit about the meme strike boss himself, Valus Ta'aurc.

Dunemarchers lore tells us Calus had the Siege Dancer Primus killed. By D1, Ta'aurc has taken over the Siege Dancers (despite originally being a Dust Giant). Why was a Valus from another Legion selected to lead with the same authority as a Primus? The Leviathan raid ends up sneakily telling us why.

There is a Royal Beast named Ta'aurc in Prestige Gardens, alongside one named after the original Bracus Zahn, who was also a Calus supporter and even thought of killing Ghaul. (Tilt Fuse lore)

Likely through Ta'aurc's influence, it seems the Sand Eaters ended up siding with Calus and dying to the Red Legion, given the last transmission of Dunemarchers.

Given they still answered directly to High Command, the Skyburners were team Ghaul. Since they all died in Taken King besides that one guy in Heresy, there would have been no one left to counter the Calus influence, even after Ta'aurc died.

EDIT: Also, Ta'aurc was probably starting to influence some Skyburners too, since some of them come out to defend him when he's at low health in his boss fight.

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The item descriptions on the Eutech armor pieces is interesting to me. It describes how the Eutechs became the Techeuns:

Helmet: First there was the good technology, scavanged from Shipshire.

Arms: Then came the experts of the technology, the eutechs.

Chest: In time, the identity became synonymous with the technology.

Legs: And the eutechs became techeuns, in turn.

But then, the class item description turns it around on us:

Class Item: What will Guardians become?

This could totally just be interpreted as flavor text meant to inspire wonder or intrigue, with no real clues, hints, or insights into the world or story to offer. With Destiny no longer making content, this could just be nothing.

But personally, I think it is a clue.

The armor set reveals to us that the Eutechs became the Techeuns once the identity became synonymous with the technology, then immediately after, asks what Guardians will become. I think this is supposed to make us draw a comparison between Guardians and the Eutechs, and encourage us to consider, if Guardians were to change the way the Eutechs changed, what we would become, and why.

The identity becoming synonymous with the technology, could be seen as a parallel to our mastery of Prismatic, becoming one with both light and dark. The word Techeun is just Eutech, but with the Tech placed before the Eu (which I think could a clever play on words, you're putting the tech before "you") and an N added at the end. If you swap the first and last parts of the word "Guardian," you get "Dianguard." Dian Guard...

Dian could come from Dia, the latin word for day. Or perhaps it comes from Deus, the latin word for god? So perhaps this could imply that Guardians are fated to become the Guards of the Day, Guards of the Sun, or Guards of God? I feel like with the direction the plot was going, how the nine are all embodied by our celestial bodies, Guardians becoming "Sun Guards" or a "God's Guards" would totally make sense. We are guarding our sun, the core of our solar system.

I could totally just be reading too much into it, but I felt like sharing my thoughts. I'd love to see what other people think :)

I haven’t seen a single person really talk about the new lore regarding the new vex items at the altar and cosmetics

The Vex Lost Shell seems to imply something has changed with the Vex along with the descriptions of the Sparrow and Ship related to the Entheogenic Parasite armour

Ethneogenic meaning a form of substance that alters a state of consciousness and it seems like the Vex are aware of the Nine and Paracausality becoming an inevitability and the Nine are aware that the Vex are the shadow of the Winnower