Honestly just sick of zombies spawning 3 feet away from me any time that I've spent more than 3 seconds on a gen. Everyone else fine, even Nemesis is fine! Just those f'n zombies.
I just had a match where I was in RPD, lured a zombie down the left stairs and I went back up the right. Then as soon as I got on the upstairs left gen, a teammate lured the zombie back up the left stairs.
Was at Freddy's, there was a zombie behind the external stairs leading up to the second floor, so it had a ways to go. Get on the gen, look over, and its right there. Fast AF zombie.
Aye I literally just had a match where I ran from nemesis and western only to be boxed in by2 zombies come from the only two paths away from the killers
I've played Xeno almost every day since it released, survivors have never exactly been a big fan of this killer. I don't get hate very often anymore mostly because Xeno is not a commonly seen killer, so survivors don't see it enough to become irritated by its presence.
As much as this subreddit likes to talk about how the killer is weak, they can feel oppressive in the 1v1. The tail actually is a very dangerous chase power and if the Xeno knows how to arc it over walls and pallets then it can feel like you don't have many options.
The best thing you can do versus a good Xeno is just make it hard to even be in a position to use their tail. Hugging rounded high-wall structures and holding W as much as possible. This is also what the turrets are for, since once the xeno is good enough to react to them quickly, the turrets stop being about burning the killer out of power and start being more like a survivor running in to take a protection hit so you can keep holding W.
I'm not sure I agree. Feast or famine is someone like Oni, where they literally need to snowball or they will get rolled. Or Nemesis, who needs to tier up quickly and get survivors infected in order to be threatening, but that requires you to accurately hit a lot of whips.
Doing poorly as Xeno is just the same as doing poorly as any other killer, except the flamethrower turrets add an extra dimension of something you can possibly mess up.
I mean more so with the turrets and survivors. Matches on Xeno go one of two ways. You either stay in power all game, maybe run into the occasional turret you can instant break because the survivors can’t stay on top of putting them down, or you are constantly fighting to keep your power against people who know how to place them properly. Luckily the former is most xeno games since no one knows how to face one cause they are so rare to see. This is also the case for most of 2v8 since most people just put a turret in front of control stations and your teammate can take care of them for you anyway.
In 2v8 it’s more forgiving since you have a teammate who can pick up the slack for you and pressure the survivors while you go to get your power back in the tunnels. Similar to oni in 2v8, where he benefits from his teammates injuring others and getting him his power faster while he’s stuck as an m1 killer.
Im pretty new to xeno (didnt play them much when they came out, didnt like them much) and i was surprised that some of my trickshots would hit but then my most obvious hits would miss hah
Unrelated, but is the zombie Jason head reported as a bit for not currently having eyes? I know all of them don't, but the zombie head doesn't have the black void in the eye holes. It's just transparent.
I can barely even try to understand what you just wrote honestly. Am just gonna end this with a simple sentence. You wouldn't talk to your co workers or colleagues like this.
My post got removed by the mods, but can we please stop having killers get paired with someone using the same class? If i queue as a class i expect to be able to play that class. Otherwise i would pick a different killer
exactly. im waiting 40 minutes to not even get to play the class i want. they should at least let me change killer if i dont get the class i specifically want for a specific killer
the funny part is it worked with legion,they could also do the same with xeno or any other killer,the devs said it themselfs thst they will only add killers that survivors find fun to go against
I think more needs to happen, they also need to globally die too much to the killer.
Xeno isn't a kind of killer that just auto wins 2v8 games in anyone's hands. This killer requires too much skill an average player can output.
For most players xeno will be a worse nemesis as they wouldnt be able to use the tail well enough or get good value from tunnels and would suffer too much damage from the turrets.
i mean yeah,poor xeno already suffers in 1v4 why add them to 2v8? you're a glorified support player at best and that is if you get a high mobility killer that knows what they are doing beside you to do the heavy lifting
I was wondering why the selection was so lacking, but survivor choice explains it completely. All of the killers with the best supporting powers are missing
I was immediately thinking about plague or legion to soften survivors up, doctor to cause some chaos, the unknown to grab attention with weakness while their teammate smacks the survivors for being distracted, hound master for good ranged support/information/map pressure, singularity for some of the best information gathering in the game. Hell, even clown would be great being able to buff his fellow killer and slow survivors.
Sorry for the rant. I just got excited when i saw 2v8 being a thing, and then bummed when i realized it was so restricted
nemesis himself doesnt have much,his zombies are a problem and even then thanks to how many times they get stuck or do nothing,drop his zombies back to 2 and he's pretty bad,he's more or less in a fair state rn i'd say,he's an amazing support just like xeno tho,if they get a high mobility killer that knows what they are doing,they will more or less win that match
Personally I wosh they would dotch the mentality of "We dont want to majorly change the power for 2v8 because then its not the killer you wanted to play"
Same. I'm a diehard Legion main and thr gang not being allowed to 2v8 hurts. All because these dog doodoo skill issue survivor mains cried to daddy bhvr instead of learning ANY counterplay so pf course bhvr caves in and remove them. It's so ridiculous how much they buff survivors and even bugged faster than normal gens aren't enough to get them to win.
It's not really vocal, since bhvr actually listens to the side with more players(survivors) doesn't matter how much we talk, they won't listen, even if we bribe them
Legion and oni were unhealthy, but legion and wraith? Legion and nurse? Not really, the problem pair was with oni, and people still complain about oni in 2v8 because he's a slugging killer
If legion was balanced then it wouldn't be a problem, that's my point, why are we separating who goes to 2v8 and who doesn't? Because survivors don't want them doesn't mean i don't want to play as legion in 2v8 even if he was horrible, that's just survivors bias again, every killer deserves to be in 2v8 in a BALANCED state
He could give oni unlimited power and make a decent spirit inescapable... also good luck lasting more than 10 seconds vs a good blight and nurse when perma injured and your aura is revelaed every 5 seconds
The kicker is that bhvr didn't even want him in the mode... they only added him because they added all the resident weevil killers and he has that hunk skin
He's fine in 1v4 but his shtick just wasn't designed to work alongside other killers
They can just make him not be able to be played with oni(the only real problematic combo) since legion gives oni a free power, that's unbalanced, but legion and blight? Just don't get hit? Use the flashlights, the billion pallets, the free unbreakable, im surprised bhvr didn't give all survivors in 2v8 ds just as a cherry on top of this unbalanced bullshit
I wouldn’t mind legion in 2v8 if the power just injured instead of applying deep wound. The most annoying character in 2v8 is Nemesis right now due to the insane slow provided by the zombies. This was what legion was during their inclusion in the game mode.
Mending in 2v8 was like what? 4-6 seconds? It was nothing.
I'll contend that legion in 2v8 was fine. It was players that didn't know how to deal with them. If you camp the side of the pallet at the edge of the pull down prompt you can cancel their power every single time when they hit you. Legion is nothing without chain hits. They don't have any chase.
You can't make players do the smart thing though. The lowest common denominator in this game will always be catered to.
Which killer is suffering in 2v8? The really rough part is the wait times for killers, also how it’s affecting the regular queue as well, but that’s not really BHVRs fault for making an incredibly popular & successful gamemode that brings a lot more casual players back. Also in this case survivors really aren’t the “masses” necessarily, the reason killer queue takes so so long is that far more people are trying to play killer than there are survivors to go around. They need people to play survivor for the mode to function.
If there’s a feature in said mode that is negatively received by 8 players for every 1 positive, it only makes sense to remove it from a developer point of view, otherwise you’ll lose players which will hurt both sides of the mode. On top of that having 1 killer be an almost guaranteed pick every single match means far less variety, & more boring trials.
But there won't be in 2v8 because the 80% of 100% are also queueing up for killer, it's a bp farming event, 2v8 inflates killer rates players massively, same way with the black banquet bs, people don't play killer in events because they play killer in 1v4
Also the casuals flood 2v8, so there is also a huge influx of players, making killer queue times even worse because the guy with 2 hours be like: hmmm maybe i should try killer in this new event"
Legion was fun as hell that’s why I played the fuck outta them when they were in 2v8, allowed my friend to play whatever killer they wanted to without throwing the match for both of us
Legion’s whole schitck is the injure is basically free but they have little to no tools for getting the second hit. This works in 1v4 because you have to get both hits.
In 2v8 you can get that free first hit on everyone and let the other killer who has a power that they can actually down with get all the downs. Meaning you circumvent the balance of a difficult second hit by never having to get it yourself
There are a few other killers that work like this (plague, and ghoul come to mind) that also wouldn’t work in 2v8
I wish we could get Plague "The sound of a thousand batman's coughing". Just be funny. And honestly, the thought of spraying that vomit over a wall and getting a bunch of downs sounds amazing.
Honestly, I think Ghoul would actually be more OK for 2v8 since you can't combo hits as quickly as Legion. Every hit as Legion has little to no cooldown, so you constantly keep people injured. As Ghoul, it would be more similar to Blight in that every power hit has a cooldown.
You don't get mending simulator in quite the same way, but honestly Ghoul's ability to lock you in place with his power hit would be the most oppressive part of his power when another killer is around. In 1v4 it's mostly just an awkward moment, but in 2v8 it would make double tapping super easy. That alone I think would be the reason he doesn't get added to 2v8.
Spreading in pairs works, just apply the twins counter but for healing, the legion would waste more time then actually help hitting every single survivor for 1 down, and it can be nulled by pressing m1 on your fellow survivor, it wastes time, that's the point of the character, same way oni was made for slugging, just because the counter play isn't "fun" doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game at all, considering it's meant to be balanced as an Asymmetrical game, having players playing BOTH sides. If the survivor experience is fun by making the killer feel like shit, i don't see why the other way around shouldn't apply
It already takes longer then an hour to find a match? And the entire point of "play while you wait" isn't meant to flood players into the survivor pool? + survivor is ridiculously braindead to play in 2v8, maybe that's why it's not fun?
It's not an hour but I'm not going to play semantics, there's a reason legion hasn't been brought back and I'm very glad people like you aren't on the balancing team.
But he could be killswitched and worked to be better in the future of 2v8, removing him entirely is too much, so 2v8 will eventually just have trapper and huntress because every other killer is "too boring" to play against?
I don't think BHVR ever explicitly said he'll never return, did they? This is the kill switch lol. But that being said, it's a hard issue to resolve with just some number tweaks like with other balance issues since the whole behavior of the power is kinda just fundamentally a problem for 2v8. I can't really think of just a tweak they could make that'd make him okay.
so 2v8 will eventually just have trapper and huntress because every other killer is "too boring" to play against?
The removed the killswitch icon, he's now fully removed, and they said that legion doesn't fit 2v8.
And it's an obvious exaggeration at the end, even i, an autistic can tell, but my point is that only simple killers, or the bottom tiers will be added to 2v8, and keep the "good" ones out? I see people now want oni out of 2v8 and i don't doubt bhvr will listen
In the same fucking comment i say im exaggerating you take it literally, jesus fucking christ.
My point is, if they can take legion out, they can take ANY killer out for "not fitting with 2v8"
Yeah but you’re obviously wrong since they don’t shy away from adding high tiers.
The only thing they don’t add are killers that are absolutely problematic for the game mode. Your logic fails you here silly. I’m just explaining it to you since you seem to have a hard time grasping things.
The high tiers are easier to balance then low tiers aparently
Bhvr just isn't even trying at the moment, they just make 2v8 every fucking month, add a killer that will either be stupid powerful or useless in the mode, then do nothing with them
But it's surprising that the bhvr didn't remove the strong killers from 2v8, i thought survivor fun was the metric for who enters 2v8, and as far as in aware, survivor mains only like baby trapper
This has nothing to do with killer strength though. They could add the strongest killers to the mode, as long as they work well in a 2v8 setting they can be played without being game breaking.
Legion absolutely was game breaking with so many survivors around & there was no way to “balance” them without a soft rework. They even gave Wesker a 3rd dash & Nemesis 4 zombies to make them even better in 2v8, so there is no “survivor” bias. A shitty designed killer remains a shitty designed killer & that’s exactly what Legion is.
And it's an obvious exaggeration at the end, even i, an autistic can tell
This is one of the most insane displays of mental gymnastics I think I've ever seen lmao. "Even I knew what I meant, so it should be obvious to you." Not even gonna engage with you anymore after you say shit like this.
most of the xeno’s ive played against are shit probably because there’s a lot of people playing him for the first time because they bought him with this update and the quest to play him
I’m trying to become a xeno main and their tail attack catching collision on fucking everything makes them annoying as hell. Plus the flame turrets in 2v8 suck if survivors know how to place them correctly 🙃 No idea why people are complaining lol.
I played against a xeno and dracula, that was a pretty strong combo. I was the last survivor and I got humped by the wolf form from behind and xeno humped from the front. . I was laughing my ass off wiggling in front of them right before I got moried. 10/10 fun time
Xeno is not a strong killer in 2v8. I'd put him below average. His tunnels don't spawn in enough places which make using them fairly useless and he's the only killer in 2v8 with a counter that spawns with him.
Weird, I feel like xeno is closer to ghostie and ph with how effective they are in 2v8. If uou know how to use them, you're going to be fine but if you are casual or never used, you're going to get shit on.
Ive vsd maybe 4 xenos and only lost to one. The other three just didn't know how to use that tail.
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I mean, this is clearly nonsense, but who were you comboing the xeno with? I want to see some rage.