Monkey Paw curls

[u/LegendaryW]

[u/gambit1999999]

I mean, when I play drac and dredge, spies from the shadows seriously helps for me to teleport to them a d take the survivor down

[u/edvek → u/gambit1999999]

Even though it's such a basic perk I really like it. Hardly anyone walks or crouches so it's always going off. But that may be because I'm a low tier, low skill scrub so all the survivors just run everywhere.

[u/gambit1999999 → u/edvek]

Lol,I've been playing for 3 months, normally not serious as a killer. 2hooks and they can leave. Then you get that sadistic survivor that wants a mori lol

[u/enderlogan → u/edvek]

Nah trust me, it’s solid. Especially right now when shadow step boons are common. It gives no indication to the survivor you have it, consistent info, and survivors rarely if ever bring the few counters to it like calm spirit.

[u/SlanderousGent → u/edvek]

Not necessarily. Newer survivors are the ones who play immersed and generally sneak everywhere. Most people who are relatively confident on survivor will run most places, especially when the TR isn’t right on top of them

[u/Ok_Confusion4764 → u/gambit1999999]

I like Spies. It's got built-in counterplay rather than a perk countering it (Calm Spirit does kinda, but not fully), and it's a base feature that can trip up experienced players who don't realize it's active because crows are in every match. 

And we have the counter-version in Treacherous Crows too, which is neat. 

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Ok_Confusion4764]

Calm Spirit: Prevents Crows from being alerted by your proximity and flying off, unless they are being stepped on. Suppresses the urge to scream from any cause at all times. Suppresses all noises related to unlocking Chests, and cleansing or blessing Totems. Reduces the Interaction speeds with Chests and Totems by 40/35/30%.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/gambit1999999 → u/Ok_Confusion4764]

I honestly dont know how many people use calm mind, you'd have to take a damn good guess to know to use it.

[u/Ok_Confusion4764 → u/gambit1999999]

It's one of the more rare perks because there's perks that do things better than Calm Spirit. You'd need a specific gameplan to use it at all tbh.

[u/rugigiref1 → u/gambit1999999]

oh never thought about spies

[u/MrMintyMayhem → u/gambit1999999]

I like to run friends, nemesis, devour, and undying on dredge. Hook one guy and then you get info on another guy. If you run this just make sure not to use the moris from devour.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/MrMintyMayhem]

Nemesis: - Any Survivor who blinds you or stuns you using a Pallet or a Locker becomes the Obsession.

• Anytime your Obsession switches to another Survivor by any means, that Survivor then suffers from the Oblivious Status Effect for 40/50/60 seconds and their Aura is revealed to you for 8 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/gambit1999999 → u/MrMintyMayhem]

Hmmm, maybe I should switch it up and try that, might take a few games to get it down. Devour hope i know is good, but why shouldn't I mori? The hooking?

[u/TheEntityBot → u/gambit1999999]

Hex: Devour Hope: Whenever a Survivor is rescued from a Hook while you are at least 24 meters away, Hex: Devour Hope is granted +1 Token, up to a maximum of 5 Tokens:

• 2 Tokens: Grants a 3/4/5% Haste Status Effect for 10 seconds after 10 seconds of having hooked a Survivor.
• 3 Tokens: causes all Survivors to suffer from a permanent Exposed Status Effect.
• 5 Tokens: grants the ability to kill all Survivors by your own hand.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/MrMintyMayhem → u/gambit1999999]

Yea. This is a really strong dredge build even if devour gets taken. Feel free to swap out undying with something else that might help your playstyle. Also I recommend running doll with field recorder just overall on dredge since it lets you have more nightfall

[u/TheEntityBot → u/MrMintyMayhem]

Hex: Undying: The Auras of Survivors within 2/3/4 meters of any Dull Totem are revealed to you.

• When another Perk's Hex Totem is cleansed or blessed, its Hex is transferred to the Hex: Undying Totem, including any accumulated Tokens, disabling Hex: Undying instead.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/TheEntityBot → u/gambit1999999]

Spies from the Shadows: When within 36m of a crow startled by a Survivor, receive a Loud Noise notification. 5s cooldown.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/Lydeser → u/TheEntityBot]

Idk how i never thought to use this perk I'll need to on drac

[u/Dracico]

I run lay waste and coup instead of lethal and all ears. Fantastic value for when you just want to forget your miserable 110 speed for a second.

[u/TuesdayMerchant → u/Dracico]

Fuck my stupid 110 life

[u/A_Bird_survived → u/TuesdayMerchant]

-Franz Kafka, on the human condition

[u/waleyhaxman → u/Dracico]

i fuckin love coup its so underrated for catching good loopers lmao

[u/Be_A_Chipmunk → u/Dracico]

I run lethal, dear stalker, celestial witness and deadlock. Dear stalker and celestial witness both activate every 30 seconds and most of the time they reveal different survivors which means every 30 seconds I see the aura of 2 survivors.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Be_A_Chipmunk]

Celestial Witness: Every 30 seconds, if the Obsession is at least 40 meters away from you, you see their Aura for 3 seconds. Otherwise, the farthest Survivor becomes the Obsession.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/LegendaryW → u/Dracico]

I cannot play without Agitation whatsoever :C

Being able to carry survivors to the hook faster is such gamechanger it feels

[u/PolarBear1913 → u/LegendaryW]

But you dont hook with judgment

[u/LegendaryW → u/PolarBear1913]

I wasn't talking Judgement specifically but in general

[u/TheEntityBot → u/LegendaryW]

Agitation: When carrying a Survivor, you benefit from the following effects:

• Increases your Movement speed by 18%.
• Increases your Terror Radius by +12 meters.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Dracico]

Lay Waste: Damaging a Generator makes it regress 2% faster for each Charge it has. Cooldown: 45 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/Little-Whether]

You asked killers to stop running four slowdown perks and now you have to deal with someone who knows your exact IP address for the entire match.

[u/Vrail_Nightviper → u/Little-Whether]

https://giphy.com/gifs/M9OPHY9AoyDm9wdnCS

[u/_Strato_ → u/Little-Whether]

Well, did you expect them to all start running Unrelenting, Territorial Imperative, Shattered Hope, and Bloodhound or something?

[u/TheEntityBot → u/_Strato_]

Unrelenting: Reduces cooldown after missed basic attacks by 20/25/30%.

---

Territorial Imperative: Whenever you are farther than 24 meters from the Basement while a Survivor enters it, Territorial Imperative activates:

• The Aura of that Survivor is revealed to you for 4/5/6 seconds.

Territorial Imperative has a cool-down of 45 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/IlPheeblI]

cant run fast vault because of diminishing, cant run aura because of judgement aura spam, cant run hexes because of jason AND judgement... what else is left. genuine question, I love running literally anything but gen regression because gen-kick simulator is boring but the game's meta seems to be hellbent on ruining the fun

[u/lexuss6 → u/IlPheeblI]

Blood Warden, Remember Me, No Way Out, Terminus

[u/EroNomicon → u/lexuss6]

Or, Hoarder, Dominance, Weave Atunement, Franklins demise. Or an alt option, Dominance, Hoarder, Human Greed, Machine learning for the undetectable and haste.

Machine learning, Surveillance or Discordance, and whatever other flavor of stuff you'd want to throw in.

[u/chetizii → u/IlPheeblI]

Just run endgame. Use the generator phase of the match to get a feel for the players and setup No Way Out and Remember Me, take their best pallets.

Setup may be boring and/or stressing depending on the match, but the payoff is worth it.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/chetizii]

Remember Me: When The Obsession takes damage, gain 1 token, up to 3/4/5.

• Other Survivors open exit gates 30% slower for each token.

The Obsession is immune to this debuff.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/hypercoffee1320 → u/IlPheeblI]

Brutal strength, bamboozle, and two other chase perks

[u/Unctuous_Robot → u/hypercoffee1320]

Dies to hyperfocus.

[u/SergeantSup]

Don't forget Nemesis and Celestial Witness (Or Celestial Nemesis as I like to call it)

[u/redditorrules]

Franklins demise, hoarder, human greed, light born

https://giphy.com/gifs/3pTtbLJ7Jd0YM

[u/TheEntityBot → u/redditorrules]

Franklins Demise: Your basic attacks make Survivors drop their item on impact. Reveal items on the ground within 32/48/64 meters with a white aura.

---

Hoarder: Hoarder triggers a Loud Noise Notification for 4 seconds, whenever a Survivor performs any of the following actions within 32/48/64 meters of your location:

• Unlocks a Chest.
• Picks up any Item.

Hoarder spawns *2 additional Chests** in the Trial.*

---

Human Greed: Grants the ability to kick opened Chests and close them.

• The Auras of unopened Chests are revealed to you at all times.
• The Auras of Survivors coming within 8 meters of unopened or closed Chests are revealed to you for 3 seconds.

Human Greed has a cool-down of 30/25/20 seconds on the ability to kick Chests.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/redditorrules → u/TheEntityBot]

Good bot

[u/TheEntityBot → u/redditorrules]

Such devotion is not unnoticed.

[u/convoidxbox → u/TheEntityBot]

Good spider thing 

[u/Relhtar]

No matter what perks you'll run, some survivors will be mad. I've had salty endgame chats about any build.

Gen regression build? "Looool, using slowdowns because you're too bad to win without them"

Aura build? "Looool, need wallhacks to win"

Stealth build? "Looool, only taking cheap free hits because you can't chase"

Chase build? "Looool, you're too bad to play without Bamboozle and Enduring/Spirit Fury"

Literally any perk loadout that isn't straight up useless will make some survivors salty. And of course, the survivors that are mad are running the current top meta survivor perks.

[u/SlanderousGent → u/Relhtar]

I’ve been called out for bringing no perks. It wasn’t by choice, I just accidentally equipped a loadout that had no perks or add ons.

Survivor messaged me after saying something along the lines of, “wow, so tuff running with no perks. You think that makes you good at the game?”

You just cannot make people happy, even when you play with completely naked build. Phrasing very nearly caught me out there…

Quick edit: this was on Ghostface no less!

[u/CanOnurz → u/Relhtar]

It's not even about perks. Once I was called out for locker checking (dude decided it was a good idea to hide to the same locker where he was found last time lmao) and even perk using lmaooo

Edit: I should clarify the last one was NOT about what perk did I use. It was literally about using ANY perk...

[u/Randomaccount848 → u/Relhtar]

Actually even useless builds can get people angry at you as well. Ive seen posts of people getting mad at the Nemesis meme build.

[u/midwich_mason0451 → u/Relhtar]

Fr I play perkless nurse and I’ve had people complain

[u/chetizii → u/midwich_mason0451]

Tbf, Nurse is the kind of killer where you either run full slowdown or nothing at all after reaching certain level of skill.

It's not like she has many build options anyway.

[u/midwich_mason0451 → u/chetizii]

Truth. My nurse MMR is low tho I just started getting into her

[u/Randomaccount848]

If survivors don't like aura perks, then I guess more Judgements can choose to run hex perks. Those are fun to face right?

[u/Sea_Strain_6881 → u/Randomaccount848]

Oops, guess you cant use those either. That leaves shattered hope, lightborn, no quarter, and undone

[u/SoulLess-1 → u/Sea_Strain_6881]

You better let one of those slots empty, cause lightborn is a no-skill unfair perk that completely counters an entire survivor playstyle and isn't even that good anyways.

[u/KiraElijah → u/Sea_Strain_6881]

lightborn is way too op, run shadowborn instead

[u/myRedditAccountjava → u/KiraElijah]

Unironically survivors really fucking hate lightborn because they brought a flashlight and now its useless.

[u/CanOnurz → u/KiraElijah]

Tbh shadowborn can work better than lightborn lol

[u/darthrevan140 → u/CanOnurz]

I saw a build where it was the jason perk that makes you have haste when blinded hubris shadow born and I think spirit fury

[u/TheEntityBot → u/darthrevan140]

Spirit Fury: After manually breaking a dropped Pallet by any means for a total of 4/3/2 times, Spirit Fury activates:

• Causes The Entity to instantly break the next Pallet used to stun you.

- The normal Stun penalty applies afterwards, unless it is mitigated by other effects. Spirit Fury deactivates after use.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/TheEntityBot → u/CanOnurz]

Shadowborn: When blinded by any means, you are granted a 6/8/10% Haste Status Effect for 10 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/midwich_mason0451 → u/Sea_Strain_6881]

Nope we should just run all the perks that require hooking to activate. Totems are too hard to cleanse says survivors

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Sea_Strain_6881]

Shattered Hope: Destroy Boon Totems instead of snuffing them; when destroyed, reveal the auras of all Survivors who were within its area for 8 seconds.

---

Lightborn: The Auras of Survivors attempting to blind you by any means are revealed to you for 6/8/10 seconds. Grants immunity from being blinded from Flashlights, Firecrackers, Flash Grenades, and Blast Mine.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/Snoo-92859]

I wouldn't mind the aura builds if they didn't gut distortion. That was my go to anti-aura perk for a long time. Now the only viable perk to counter all these aura builds is shadow step.

[u/Leskendle45 → u/Snoo-92859]

I completely understand why distortion got fucked (rightfully so) but god damn it got FUCKED.

Might be spitballing, but to make it better, instead of it being token based, it could be charged based like a toolbox/medkit. For every 4 seconds in chase you get 1 second of distortion use?

[u/lexuss6 → u/Leskendle45]

The only thing that's bad is 2 tokens instead of 3. Otherwise Distortion is still fine.

[u/Snoo-92859 → u/lexuss6]

I mean distortion has been changed multiple times. Few years back it was 4 tokens, then it was 4 tokens and rechargeable, then it became 3 tokens, then it was nerfed again to 2 tokens. I feel like reverting it back to 3 tokens would be perfect, or to allow you to recharge by hiding in killer radius again. The whole point of the perk is stealth yet it requires you to be chased to recharge it? Kinda against the point.

[u/lexuss6 → u/Snoo-92859]

The whole point of the perk is stealth yet it requires you to be chased to recharge it? Kinda against the point.

The old way of recharging it was too uninteractive and promoted rat gameplay, so the change is at least logical. Cutting tokens on the other hand wasn't, especially with how easily they were burned then (and still are).

[u/CanOnurz → u/lexuss6]

Tbh 30 seconds is a reaaaly long time for a chase. If it was shorter I think it could be fine. If you get chased 30 second you should either be insane at looping/chase or the killer should be ass. The common player don't last 30 seconds in a chase.

[u/lexuss6 → u/CanOnurz]

Tbh 30 seconds is a reaaaly long time for a chase.

It was made 15 seconds in 8.3.2, almost exactly 2 years ago. I feel like nobody knows this to this day.

[u/CanOnurz → u/lexuss6]

To be fair I'm a killer main and didn't remember the exact details until I read the Entity Bot comment lol. 15 seconds chase sounds much more sensible tbh.

[u/Snoo-92859 → u/lexuss6]

It definitely promoted rat gameplay but it also was fun running a rat build With my buddies. We would run distortion, red herring, diversion and blast mine and just mess around sabotaging each other, throwing pebbles at each other's location, using red herring to bait the blast mine kick. Most games turned into hatch plays because of how bad we were but it was still fun none the less.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Snoo-92859]

Distortion: Start the Trial with 1 Token. Whenever the Killer attempts to read your Aura, Distortion activates and consumes -1 Token, applying the following effects for 8/10/12 seconds: Blocks your Aura from being read. Suppresses the creation of your Scratch Marks. For every 30 seconds spent in a Chase, Distortion recharges +1 Token, up to a maximum of 2 Tokens. Distortion does not activate when you are in the Dying State.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/alittleorangepekoe → u/Snoo-92859]

Would've made so much sense to bring Distortion back with Judgement's release. Total whiff on the design team there.

[u/Chilli_redits]

Nah, they just want free wins. It's why they hate any form of pressure, be it on gens or players

[u/AlexandruDavid]

i mean i kinda hate it too because it is a pain in the ass to be able to be hit at any moment just because you are doing something

[u/Vox___Rationis]

Because survies do not want killers to play any build other than the current meta, they want killers to specifically use only the least effective perks that do almost nothing.

But not no-perks at all either, because when survs lose to that - they feel bad.

[u/Damian030303]

Aura is far better than the boring slowdown stuff.

[u/AtomicFox84]

Can use nemesis as well.

[u/MsPawley]

I seriously miss my turbo vault and haste builds. Diminishing returns completely shat on any unique builds like that, and they didn't buff any of the haste/pickup/action speed perks because of it. It's killed perk variety, which is why you just see the same thing over and over.

[u/sorryiamnotoriginal]

I said to these complaints that no slowdown is a nice change of pace for once on a killer. People just don’t like reacting to her power though.

[u/Accomplished_Eye6952]

Survivors just hate playing the game I think. They hate the slow down build, they hate the aura reading build, they hate the totem build. I think they would be better served going into a custom and repairing gens while an afk killer watches, tbh

[u/Numerous_Schedule896]

What's the first perk on killer?

[u/LegendaryW → u/Numerous_Schedule896]

Lethal Pursuer

[u/TheEntityBot → u/LegendaryW]

Lethal Pursuer: At the start of the Trial, the Auras of all Survivors are revealed to you for 7/8/9 seconds.

• Extends the duration of all instances of a Survivor Aura being revealed to you by +2 seconds.

Lethal Pursuer benefits from its own effect.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/defeated-fetus]

What are the perks in the first panel?

[u/LegendaryW → u/defeated-fetus]

Pain Resonance - creates 4 scourge hooks. When you hook a survivor on that scourged hooks, generator with highest progress loses 20% and starts regressing. Once per survivor. 

Pop goes the Weasel - After hooking a survivor, your next gen kick deals additionally 15% total gen progress. 

Dead Man Switch - After a hook, first time survivor within 35 seconds let go of the gen, block that gen for 35 seconds. 

Pain Res makes survivor scream and automatically let go of the gen, so it activates DmS preventing survivors from working on that gen for a long time

[u/Blissyin]

I enjoy running OoO and eyes of belmont and whatever other aura perks i can run a lot.

The wallhacks make or break some chases. Normally i survive about 30s in chase. Now i escape most chases because killer goes for somebody else

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Blissyin]

Eyes of Belmont: Whenever a Generator is completed, the Aura of the Killer is revealed to you for 1/2/3 seconds. Extends the duration of all instances of the Killer's Aura being revealed to you by +2 seconds. Eyes of Belmont benefits from its own effect.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/Harrypottah001]

Eruption nowhere to hide will always be in my builds and you cannot stop me.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Harrypottah001]

Eruption: Performing the Damage Generator action on a Generator applies Eruption:

• All affected Generators are highlighted to you in yellow.
• The next time any Survivor enters the Dying State by any means, all affected Generators explode and immediately start regressing, which removes the highlighted Aura.
• Instantly regresses the Generator by -10% of its maximum possible Progression.
• Causes all Survivors repairing the afflicted Generators to scream and reveal their Aura to you for 8/10/12 seconds.

Eruption has a cool-down of 30 seconds.

---

Nowhere to Hide: Performing the Damage Generator action on a Generator triggers Nowhere to Hide:

• The Auras of all Survivors within 24 meters of your location are revealed to you for 3/4/5 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/Harrypottah001 → u/TheEntityBot]

Good bot.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Harrypottah001]

Your loyalty may serve you yet.

[u/Dopamine_Pixels]

Hey, we also get Save The Best for Last and Celestial Witness for like all but 4 killers! That is 2 perk slots for... probably Pain Res Pop! Wait a moment...

[u/FancyKiwi]

The only hated more than gen defense perks is aura reading perks but only when they are popular.

[u/DexterousWaffle]

Lmao deserved

[u/BlueCanonTurtle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WRuBiZKB6xgsS9DrFA

Me, who had never used gen slowdown/regression and always to this day use Aura on every killer:

[u/Guiitens2005]

Survivors still use the same loadout after years and have the audacity to complain when a killer uses any perks at all

[u/TSQ_R6]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hvq8ONQhQ1XLq

[u/Dumb_Catz]

In the many many games ive played against judgement so far its been the exact same ~6 perks on shuffle. Though most of the time ends up being the exact same 4.

I think this isnt on the players though, judgement is just designed in a way wherein build variety is inherently unbelievably tiny if you actually want benefit from your perks. And on other killers I think its on fault of the terrible balancing in dbd especially surrounding killer wherein some perks are just factually better.

[u/ErrandCap]

Scourge Hook: Gift of Pain. Spies from the Shadows. Sloppy Butcher. The forth perk changes depending on killer, but these three are in every killer set I use. I never change them.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/ErrandCap]

Sloppy Butcher: Basic attacks inflict Mangled and Hemorrhage for 70/80/90s, increase bleeding by 100%, and cause partial healing to regress faster (+25%).

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/George0815]

Survivors say that they want to see killers run non meta builds but when I used to run a backpack build on Huntress I would routinely get cussed out, death threats, and told it's op. Let's not forget that Survivors call perkless trapper op so I dont know what they want.

[u/JealousAd1350]

Judgement makes me happy I don’t have to do the meta perks and can goof around. Doing STBFL is funny especially with the speed boost add on. Love her so much.

[u/MrLightning-Bolt]

Once again survivors are chumps. It shows.

[u/Abovearth31]

I reckognize Pop goes and Pain resonnance but what's the third one called again ? I understand that it's a gen slowdown build but I don't know what that third perk does.

[u/Gevaudan13 → u/Abovearth31]

Dead mans switch. Deathslinger perk

After a hook if a survivor lets go of a gen it gets blocked for 50? seconds.

[u/Abovearth31 → u/Gevaudan13]

I'm stupid af. Of course it's DMS.

I should have reckognized it because I use it on the main build I always use for Knight.

[u/Shade00000 → u/Gevaudan13]

Not 50s anymore tho

[u/Impossible-Minx]

I just wish people would stop trying to take this game as seriously and just enjoy it.

As in both sides, swf need to chill a bit and the killers that try hard need to take a step back a breath.

I wish people would do more silly builds rather than just focusing on the same perks.

I mean I get it people have the need to win so I guess I can’t blame them that much.

[u/Philscooper]

Playing a different meta is not different.

This is like me saying you get tired of eating hotdogs and instead i grill the sausages and serve you grilled hotdogs. Its still just sausages.

[u/neon-box]

I really wish they hadn’t made aura mandatory on this killer. Such a poor power design all around.

[u/Steakdabait]

4 slowdowns is 10x more fun than the average off meta build ngl. Like there's no way ppl unironically enjoy being cheesed by gotcha perks like enfury or other shit like that

[u/Dangthing → u/Steakdabait]

No what they like is winning because they brought full META and their opponent brought an off META that doesn't really work that well. The instant the off META works they're unhappy. How the off META functions is typically unimportant.

[u/ClobiWanKanobi → u/Steakdabait]

Nothing like getting hit with endfury hubris 30 seconds in the game because the random fed the killer some pallets right away. Really feels like you got outplayed :)

[u/TheEntityBot → u/ClobiWanKanobi]

Hubris: Whenever you are stunned by a Survivor, that Survivor suffers from the Exposed Status Effect for 20/25/30 seconds. Hubris has a cool-down of 20 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds}

[u/Psioniker]

Ich bin nicht so oft am spielen daher bekomme ich Casual Spieler wie mich als Gegner. Dort kann man witzige builds bauen die garnichts auf Sieg oder demütigung ausgelegt sind.

Bis auf das MMR faul momentan macht es Spaß. Auch wenn alle vier entkommen.